After Berlin attack, big cities beef up New Year's Eve security - Polidicks

[quote]Major cities across the globe are bolstering security around New Year’s Eve celebrations, with some U.S. law enforcement agencies taking extra precautions to protect against the sort of deadly truck attacks carried out in Germany and France this year. New York City officials announced Thursday they will deploy 65 sanitation and salt trucks around the perimeter of Times Square, a new security measure aimed at making it more difficult for an attacker to barrel a vehicle into a crowd. The city will also dispatch 100 lighter “blocker trucks” in the area for an added layer of protection for the festivities, which are expected to draw more than 1 million revelers. The New York City Police Department said there are no known credible threats to this year’s celebration. But a joint bulletin issued last week by the NYPD, FBI and Department of Homeland Security underscored that law enforcement remains “concerned about unaffiliated lone offenders and homegrown violent extremists targeting the event.” The Germany attack, in which a Tunisian man is charged with plowing a stolen truck into a crowd in Berlin, killing 12, as well as a similar deadly truck attack on Bastille Day in Nice, France, that killed 86, is the sort of low-tech attack that law enforcement officials have become increasingly wary of Islamic State sympathizers trying to carry out on U.S. soil. Last month, a young Somali refugee drove a car into a crowd on the Ohio State University campus before jumping out of the vehicle and attacking victims with a knife. No one suffered life-threatening injuries in the attack, and the suspect was fatally wounded by a police officer. The Islamic State claimed responsibility for the attacks in Berlin, Nice and Columbus. “As we formulated this year’s plan, we paid close attention to world events and we learned from those events,” said NYPD Chief Carlos Gomez. “And this year due to the terrorist attacks in Nice, France, and in Berlin, Germany, we’ve enhanced our security measures.”[/quote] [URL="http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/12/29/after-berlin-attack-big-cities-beef-up-new-years-eve-security/95963832/"]Source[/URL]

One of these days we'll look back and realize just how much money we are wasting on paranoia.

[QUOTE=pentium;51603631]One of these days we'll look back and realize just how much money we are wasting on paranoia.[/QUOTE] Like the money you waste by buying a lock for your house.

[QUOTE=Johnny Joe;51603652]Like the money you waste by buying a lock for your house.[/QUOTE] Literally comparing an apple to an orange

[QUOTE=Johnny Joe;51603652]Like the money you waste by buying a lock for your house.[/QUOTE] Have you ever been burgled before? I have, and guess what. Out stuff was stolen, and we had locks. It doesn't mean that locks aren't good to have. In terms of effectiveness though, you would be better off with an alarm.

[QUOTE=Johnny Joe;51603652]Like the money you waste by buying a lock for your house.[/QUOTE] The comparison gets lost somewhere when instead of doing the common sense and just parking a squad car across the street you specifically use heavy vehicles designed for stopping vehicles on impact. I mean sure, it's going to do the job, but the squad car will as well. Also, there are no threats, so the whole thing once the party is over is a win-win ego stroke.

[QUOTE=gokiyono;51603691]Have you ever been burgled before? I have, and guess what. Out stuff was stolen, and we had locks. It doesn't mean that locks aren't good to have. In terms of effectiveness though, you would be better off with an alarm.[/QUOTE] A lock keeps an honest man out.

[QUOTE=Stopper;51603710]A lock keeps an honest man out.[/QUOTE] That might be the worst post of 2016.

Never a bad thing to have protection where it may be needed. But cockroaches don't come out in the light too often.

[QUOTE=Stopper;51603710]A lock keeps an honest man out.[/QUOTE] Locks make it harder to break in. Someone with enough determination can easily get past it. What a lock does is makes your house less attractive to burgle compared to an lock-less house. Same goes for adding lights, alarms, a dog and such. A house with them will deter burglars by simply making other houses more attractive targets.

[QUOTE=pentium;51603699] Also, there are no threats, so the whole thing once the party is over is a win-win ego stroke.[/QUOTE] Ok, Thanks for the heads-up. I'll be sure to let the law enforcement community know they can back off this one. man, those bozos really need to get a grip! maybe instead of big trucks and squad cars, they can use dandruff to deter any attackers.

[QUOTE=pentium;51603631]One of these days we'll look back and realize just how much money we are wasting on paranoia.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=pentium;51603699]The comparison gets lost somewhere when instead of doing the common sense and just parking a squad car across the street you specifically use heavy vehicles designed for stopping vehicles on impact. I mean sure, it's going to do the job, but the squad car will as well. Also, there are no threats, so the whole thing once the party is over is a win-win ego stroke.[/QUOTE] You know it might just be that im an idiot but it could maybe possibly a teensy weency bit be a result of the dozen or so terrorist attacks over Europe and the US over the rest of the year and the fact that hundreds if not thousands of people will be packed tight during celebrations making for a particularly appetizing, dense, opportune target for a terrorist strike and given recent trends it could pose a risk to a lot of people but what do i know.

[QUOTE=pentium;51603699]The comparison gets lost somewhere when instead of doing the common sense and just parking a squad car across the street you specifically use heavy vehicles designed for stopping vehicles on impact. I mean sure, it's going to do the job, but the squad car will as well. Also, there are no threats, so the whole thing once the party is over is a win-win ego stroke.[/QUOTE] i would rather see an inconsequential amount of money spent on specialized vehicles rather than having just squad cars

[QUOTE=pentium;51603699]The comparison gets lost somewhere when instead of doing the common sense and just parking a squad car across the street you specifically use heavy vehicles designed for stopping vehicles on impact. I mean sure, it's going to do the job, but the squad car will as well. Also, there are no threats, so the whole thing once the party is over is a win-win ego stroke.[/QUOTE] But they're not buying new trucks just for blocking duties. Sounds like they're just using garbage trucks and snow plows that NYC already has thousands of.

[QUOTE=DOCTOR LIGHT;51603820]That might be the worst post of 2016.[/QUOTE] The hell do you mean it's a bad post? You have to be right daft to not understand the meaning. It's saying that a lock doesn't do much in terms of robbery, because someone dedicated to actually robbing the place will go around or through the lock.

[QUOTE=Terminutter;51603948]Locks make it harder to break in. Someone with enough determination can easily get past it. What a lock does is makes your house less attractive to burgle compared to an lock-less house. Same goes for adding lights, alarms, a dog and such. A house with them will deter burglars by simply making other houses more attractive targets.[/QUOTE] i'll be honest i have no idea if we're still doing analogies or if this is now literally a thread about home security

[QUOTE=gokiyono;51603691]Have you ever been burgled before? I have, and guess what. Out stuff was stolen, and we had locks. It doesn't mean that locks aren't good to have. In terms of effectiveness though, you would be better off with an alarm.[/QUOTE] I was held at gunpoint during a home invasion in 2012 as I watched my parents get broken glass shoved into their bodies by 3 masked men who threatened to shoot my fucking cocker spaniel puppy and I couldn't do shit. Locks are effective, alarms are better, but honestly I've resolved to become at least somewhat proficient with a firearm in the case of an emergency, so have my parents but I suppose I have become a tad paranoid since that happened, but major cities like NY, which has a history with terrorism, are seeing a pattern of violence and I don't think preparing for the worst is a bad idea, but I agree, I wish more of that money was spent on other things.

[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51603960]Lights, alarms, a dog yeah. But are there [I]really [/I]so many lock-less houses that they always provide a viable alternative?[/QUOTE] Pretty much. A thief always chooses the easiest marks. Chances are that your neighborhood has an easier mark. If it doesn't and a thief knows a neighborhood has pretty decent security that presents a significant chance to get caught, the thief will likely not waste time in that neighborhood. However this is all meaningless in the context of this thread. I doubt terrorists will care and I suspect they would try anyway regardless of the risk to themselves. [editline]31st December 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=DOCTOR LIGHT;51603820]That might be the worst post of 2016.[/QUOTE] There's been orders worse, believe you me.

[QUOTE=AaronM202;51604125]You know it might just be that im an idiot but it could maybe possibly a teensy weency bit be a result of the dozen or so terrorist attacks over Europe and the US over the rest of the year and the fact that hundreds if not thousands of people will be packed tight during celebrations making for a particularly appetizing, dense, opportune target for a terrorist strike and given recent trends it could pose a risk to a lot of people but what do i know.[/QUOTE] I'll admit, perhaps I'm just jaded. The last big attacks on us that I can recall were either because we were in on bullshit we were dragged into because of NATO (or that shithead Harper) or because Quebec wanted to be its own country. I can't seem to recall many other reasons why Canada has been targeted in recent years, simply because we're Canada but I don't enjoy being told the idea of what is a normal level of security changes so much because if we don't comply with the...people...south of us we'll be shafted for any number of reasons.

[QUOTE=pentium;51604390]I'll admit, perhaps I'm just jaded. The last big attacks on us that I can recall were either because we were in on bullshit we were dragged into because of NATO (or that shithead Harper) or because Quebec wanted to be its own country. I can't seem to recall many other reasons why Canada has been targeted in recent years, simply because we're Canada but I don't enjoy being told the idea of what is a normal level of security changes so much because if we don't comply with the...people...south of us we'll be shafted for any number of reasons.[/QUOTE] So you blame your latest Islamic terror attacks on backlash from the war on terror?

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51604445]So you blame [i]the[/i] latest Islamic terror attacks on backlash from the war on terror?[/QUOTE] For a variety of reasons, yes. We're getting unfairly shit on because we got dragged into this and got our name for being [U]relatively[/U] peaceful tarnished.

The issue with such a attack is, unlike your regular terrorist attacks, there isn't a way to stop the target unless you had prior warning that its about to happen, and even then, if the driver is already on his way, you gotta make sure your security is quick enough to stop the truck or put up barricades. And then, you got the problem with large gatherings, clearing people takes time, and how sure are you that the barricades are strong enough to stop a rampaging truck? Hell, what if, they know of such plans to stop trucks, and they decide to steal heavy construction vehicles like bulldozers?

[QUOTE=DOCTOR LIGHT;51603820]That might be the worst post of 2016.[/QUOTE] That wickedplayer post was even more worse.

[QUOTE=shian;51604506]The issue with such a attack is, unlike your regular terrorist attacks, there isn't a way to stop the target unless you had prior warning that its about to happen, and even then, if the driver is already on his way, you gotta make sure your security is quick enough to stop the truck or put up barricades. And then, you got the problem with large gatherings, clearing people takes time, and how sure are you that the barricades are strong enough to stop a rampaging truck? Hell, what if, they know of such plans to stop trucks, and they decide to steal heavy construction vehicles like bulldozers?[/QUOTE] Their plan is to surround Times Square with "65 sanitation and salt trucks". The idea being that crashing into one of these [IMG]https://c1.staticflickr.com/6/5045/5300617864_5386a5aced_b.jpg[/IMG] in anything less than a freight train is going to slow it down significantly or stop it. As for a bulldozer, those have a top speed of roughly ten miles per hour. NYPD has roughly 35,000 sworn officers. The rogue bulldozer would be swiss cheese before getting within a mile of Times Square. [editline]31st December 2016[/editline] in theory

[QUOTE=pentium;51603699]The comparison gets lost somewhere when instead of doing the common sense and just parking a squad car across the street you specifically use heavy vehicles designed for stopping vehicles on impact. I mean sure, it's going to do the job, but the squad car will as well. Also, there are no threats, so the whole thing once the party is over is a win-win ego stroke.[/QUOTE] i dunno if a squad car could stop a semi truck

[QUOTE=Stopper;51603710]A lock keeps an honest man out.[/QUOTE] yeh because no matter how honest a man is, if someone hasn't locked their door, well, they're practically asking for it...

[QUOTE=Stopper;51603710]A lock keeps an honest man out.[/QUOTE] And also causes the dishonest man to wake everyone in the house up when he bashes it in. A lock may not keep a guy out, but the prospect of acute lead poisoning will [editline]31st December 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Apache249;51604568]Their plan is to surround Times Square with "65 sanitation and salt trucks". The idea being that crashing into one of these [IMG]https://c1.staticflickr.com/6/5045/5300617864_5386a5aced_b.jpg[/IMG] in anything less than a freight train is going to slow it down significantly or stop it. As for a bulldozer, those have a top speed of roughly ten miles per hour. NYPD has roughly 35,000 sworn officers. The rogue bulldozer would be swiss cheese before getting within a mile of Times Square. [editline]31st December 2016[/editline] in theory[/QUOTE] I do recall a guy who went on a rampage in a bulldozer that he uparmored at home. The only way the police were able to stop him is... well they didn't. He got stuck during his rampage and killed himself. It's just a good thing he was going after property. Anything can be a weapon

[QUOTE=pentium;51603631]One of these days we'll look back and realize just how much money we are wasting on paranoia.[/QUOTE] I expect compared to a load of other expenses for new year's, parking a few trucks will be reasonably cheap, unless of course a terrorist does try to ram them in which case the money will have been worth it. That said I expect they'll find another method of killing people once we cover off against their current one.

[QUOTE=pentium;51603631]One of these days we'll look back and realize just how much money we are wasting on paranoia.[/QUOTE] I'd rather they waste some money than someone die because they didn't.

[QUOTE=Stopper;51603710]A lock keeps an honest man out.[/QUOTE] Pretty sad that this is a true fact of life when, for example, I know that people in Japan keep their doors mostly unlocked because I actually (quickly) looked at random doors when I went there for a vacation trip just to make sure it wasn't a myth.