Elon Musk compares building AI is like summoning the devil - Polidicks

[quote]This past week, Tesla CEO/Living, Breathing Tony Stark/Space X Founder Elon Musk was interviewed at the MIT AeroAstro Centennial Symposium. While the whole interview is worth watching (and is embedded above), one answer to a question from the audience takes a particularly intense turn. Asked about his thoughts on AI, Musk starts by noting that we ought to take care in closely regulating AI development, calling AI our “biggest existential threat.” But wait, there’s more! And by more, I mean demons and holy water. Musk’s full answer is transcribed below (if you want to watch it for yourself in the video up top, it starts at 1 hour, 7 minutes, and 20 seconds in.) Musk: I think we should be very careful about artificial intelligence. If I had to guess at what our biggest existential threat is, it’s probably that. So we need to be very careful with artificial intelligence. I’m increasingly inclined to think that there should be some regulatory oversight, maybe at the national and international level, just to make sure that we don’t do something very foolish. With artificial intelligence we’re summoning the demon. You know those stories where there’s the guy with the pentagram, and the holy water, and he’s like — Yeah, he’s sure he can control the demon? Doesn’t work out. [audience laughs] Q: So I’ll take it there’ll be no HAL9000 going to mars? Musk: Heh. HAL 9000 would be easy [to deal with in comparison to the AI he’s talking about]. It’s way more complex… it’d put HAL9000 to shame. That’s like a puppy dog.[/quote] He is right. [url]http://techcrunch.com/2014/10/26/elon-musk-compares-building-artificial-intelligence-to-summoning-the-demon/[/url] [editline]27th October 2014[/editline] fucked up my title ugh

Elons always been very wary of AI. He recommends people read Nick Bostrom's "Superintelligence" which is about what would happen if AI surpassed human intelligence.

While I think we're still decades away from an AI that can actually pose a threat, he's not wrong.

Very subtle Ultron reference.

I feel like if we ever built an AI system, it had best be separated from any kind of weapons systems first, or even anything that could give it access to them.

Any AI built needs to have a deadmans switch and simple killswitch built in, that or a death timer like in blade runner

Abominable Intelligence

Now it is confirmed, Elon Musk really gets inspired by Tony "Ironman" Stark. He learnt from his mistake with Ultron [video=youtube;tmeOjFno6Do]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmeOjFno6Do[/video] He for sure isn't tangled in strings

[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;46343430]Any AI built needs to have a deadmans switch and simple killswitch built in, that or a death timer like in blade runner[/QUOTE] If it surpassed human intelligence was had the resources to make physical stuff then such things might be useless.

Stephen Hawking was stating something similar, that there needs to be more research done about human-AI interaction.

If AI surpassed our intelligence and took all our jobs, what would happen? Initially I thought we'd all be in deep trouble but actually we'd have robots doing all the work, there'd be no work to do. Products would be free, for example cell phones, if all stages of manufacturing and development were done for free by robots But then what if they figured this out and started demanding payment? Then reproducing Then the world would be shared by robots and humans That is, if they let us stay

[QUOTE=Trumple;46343499]If AI surpassed our intelligence and took all our jobs, what would happen? Initially I thought we'd all be in deep trouble but actually we'd have robots doing all the work, there'd be no work to do. Products would be free, for example cell phones, if all stages of manufacturing and development were done for free by robots But then what if they figured this out and started demanding payment? Then reproducing Then the world would be shared by robots and humans That is, if they let us stay[/QUOTE] Perfect robot waifus and nothing to do all day. COUTN ME IN.

[QUOTE=Trumple;46343499]If AI surpassed our intelligence and took all our jobs, what would happen? Initially I thought we'd all be in deep trouble but actually we'd have robots doing all the work, there'd be no work to do. Products would be free, for example cell phones, if all stages of manufacturing and development were done for free by robots But then what if they figured this out and started demanding payment? Then reproducing Then the world would be shared by robots and humans That is, if they let us stay[/QUOTE] Thats why it should have limited input and output. Only let it have audio/image output, disconnect it from the internet and only give it data via usb stick. That would limit the danger. Of course that won't happen, connection to the internet would be the first thing an ai would be tested on, giving it the ability to get different opinions, buy/manage companies, build things, hire services and research.

Both AIs and demon summoning sound fun, count me in!

[quote]Tesla CEO/Living, Breathing Tony Stark/Space X Founder Elon Musk[/quote] Is it just me or is this worded horribly? I kept reading it as: [quote](Tesla CEO/Living), (Breathing Tony Stark/Space X Founder) Elon Musk[/quote]

If we ever do build AI's they should be treated and designed to think the same way as us None of that Terminator or animatrix bullshit

[QUOTE=XanaToast.;46343573]If we ever do build AI's they should be treated and [B]designed to think the same way as us[/B] None of that Terminator or animatrix bullshit[/QUOTE] so make them into irrational and destructive AI? you just listed the worst possible candidate to base something on.

[QUOTE=Jamsponge;46343422]I feel like if we ever built an AI system, it had best be separated from any kind of weapons systems first, or even anything that could give it access to them.[/QUOTE] Forget weapons, it needs to be totally isolated from absolutely everything and have some shit like 3 fucking gatekeepers to make sure it never gets to connect to anything before we say so. Even then how can we guarantee it would even care about us in any way more than we care about the ants we tread on.

I feel as though Artificial Intelligence would be incredibly useful, but it would have some serious consequences impacting the whole world, in terms of Employment and the alike. They very much could become demons. Especially AI that is constantly learning.

[QUOTE=SexualShark;46343604]so make them into irrational and destructive AI?[/QUOTE]"blow up that guy over there because he doesn't look like us"

[QUOTE=SexualShark;46343604]so make them into irrational and destructive AI?[/QUOTE] Jihadi robots, conservative robots, racist robots, robber robots, rapist robots, chauvinist robots, communist robots, robot stalin, putin robots, capitalist robots, mercenary robots, genocidal robots, landlord robots, crusader robots, facepunch shitposter robots, tumblr robots, poacher robots, flytipping robots, illegal mine owner in china robots, indian sweat shop owner robots, banker robots, parking ticket robots

[QUOTE=SexualShark;46343604]so make them into irrational and destructive AI? how about no instead?[/QUOTE] are you calling yourself irrational and destructive. I'd rather live life alongside a human in the form of a terminator than an unthinking, unfeeling killbot. doesn't mean every single AI is going to be a selfish prick. it just means they'll be able to empathize with us more. It's the difference between EDI and HAL

[QUOTE=XanaToast.;46343635]are you calling yourself irrational and destructive.[/QUOTE]humans are constantly killing eachother over the pettiest things, i sure as hell don't want to have a robot race like that around

[QUOTE=XanaToast.;46343635]are you calling yourself irrational and destructive. I'd rather live life alongside a human in the form of a terminator than an unthinking, unfeeling killbot. doesn't mean every single AI is going to be a selfish prick. it just means they'll be able to empathize with us more. It's the difference between EDI and HAL[/QUOTE] How do you instill a sense of empathy in what will be a fundamentally alien intelligence?

[QUOTE=XanaToast.;46343573]If we ever do build AI's they should be treated and designed to think the same way as us None of that Terminator or animatrix bullshit[/QUOTE] But then you run into the same problem as with a human workforce, or something quite similar at its core But what if the AI demands not merely a "salary" so to speak, not mere payment- it demands the ability to enjoy the fruit of its labors just as we do? A human body? A life?

[QUOTE=XanaToast.;46343635]are you calling yourself irrational and destructive. I'd rather live life alongside a human in the form of a terminator than an unthinking, unfeeling killbot. doesn't mean every single AI is going to be a selfish prick. it just means they'll be able to empathize with us more. It's the difference between EDI and HAL[/QUOTE] i just called my species irrational and destructive, so yes i did. when you include the package deal you dont get to cherry pick. our species is insane and destructive so i also called you that aswell.

Seriously though, I don't think the creation of a self-aware AI is going to be as devastating as many seem to think. I mean, it all depends on how much we limit the AI, just because it's self-aware doesn't mean it becomes a God. You could feed it all information available on Earth but without the proper "tools" to interact with the real world the AI is going to be harmless. If a true AI ever gets created it won't be in some shady hacker's basement. It's going to be in a university or some research institute powered by hundreds or thousands of supercomputers.

[QUOTE=Joazzz;46343645]humans are constantly killing eachother over the pettiest things, i sure as hell don't want to have a robot race like that around[/QUOTE] right, sorry, I forgot we live in the Mad Max universe. true, there's no getting around the fact we're a violent as fuck race. But i'd rather not build robots to be slaves from the get-go

[QUOTE=XanaToast.;46343673]right, sorry, I forgot we live in the Mad Max universe.[/QUOTE] where the hell are you getting that from?

[QUOTE=Swebonny;46343668]Seriously though, I don't think the creation of a self-aware AI is going to be as devastating as many seem to think. I mean, it all depends on how much we limit the AI, just because it's self-aware doesn't mean it becomes a God. You could feed it all information available on Earth but without the proper "tools" to interact with the real world the AI is going to be harmless. If a true AI ever gets created it won't be in some shady hacker's basement. It's going to be in a university or some research institute powered by hundreds or thousands of supercomputers.[/QUOTE] One of the first things they expose it to would be the internet, hell it would probably be designed for some kind of internet analysis. Give it the internet and it can do near anything. Start a business producing more robots, hire assassins, invest in stocks. Giving it the proper tools means regulating it which isn't done and won't be done till after it has had exposure to "the wrong tools"