Teen old who sucker punched 12-year old with brass knuckles on video facing up to 20 years in jail - Polidicks

[QUOTE]CONWAY, Ark. -- The lawyer for a teen facing up to 20 years in prison for a brutal attack on an unsuspecting victim is speaking out. Since we first posted the story on Monday, it has been viewed 84,000 times. It's drawn more the 450 comments on Facebook. The overwhelming sentiment is that 16-year old suspect Kane Millsaps should be in jail. Said one poster: "lock him up and throw away the key." "The video is disturbing," admitted Millsaps' attorney Frank Shaw. "It caused me like everyone else that saw it a good bit of discomfort." The attack happened on May 31st in Conway. Millsaps was arrested the next day. He's charged as an adult with 1st Degree Battery. It's a felony with a maximum sentence of 20 years in prison. "If he gets the maximum sentence, which I hope he doesn't, he'll get out when he is 36 years old... then what?" Shaw questions.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.fox16.com/news/local-news/teen-facing-up-to-20-years-in-prison-for-brutal-attack[/url]

Good.

Dude deserves the maximum sentence.

So I was like that's too much. But when I saw the video, yep he deserves to be charged as an adult.

[URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1526871"]A bit late there. [/URL] Didn't seem like this article added anything new to the case either.

[QUOTE={TFS} Rock Su;50878597]So I was like that's too much. But when I saw the video, yep he deserves to be charged as an adult.[/QUOTE] 20 years is the maximum sentence. Kind of like saying a pirate faces 'up to 5 years in prison and a $250,000 fine' for torrenting a movie

[quote]"If he gets the maximum sentence, which I hope he doesn't, he'll get out when he is 36 years old... then what?" Shaw questions.[/quote] A pretty pertinent question, all things considered. While this kid does need help and definitely has issues, there's also the fact that he attacked and severely injured somebody without provocation. For the public safety he should be confined, but I would rather that it be in a psych ward than a jail cell.

[QUOTE=Perrine;50878602]20 years is the maximum sentence. Kind of like saying a pirate faces 'up to 5 years in prison and a $250,000 fine' for torrenting a movie[/QUOTE] The disparity in seriousness and consequences between those two crimes is huge, come on man.

[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;50878606]A pretty pertinent question, all things considered. While this kid does need help and definitely has issues, there's also the fact that he attacked and severely injured somebody without provocation. For the public safety he should be confined, but I would rather that it be in a psych ward than a jail cell.[/QUOTE] His mom said that he had been struggling with mental issues. Prison isn't going to fix a mental illness.

[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;50878606]A pretty pertinent question, all things considered. While this kid does need help and definitely has issues, there's also the fact that he attacked and severely injured somebody without provocation. For the public safety he should be confined, but I would rather that it be in a psych ward than a jail cell.[/QUOTE] Maybe it would be best to have it combined, like having a regular psych evalution every 2 weeks with the prison sentence? Altho I'm not sure how would work that tho :v:.

[QUOTE={TFS} Rock Su;50878621]Maybe it would be best to have it combined, like having a regular psych evalution every 2 weeks with the prison sentence? Altho I'm not sure how would work that tho :v:.[/QUOTE] There's no point. The psych wards are designed to house them while they're receiving treatment, no need to put him in back and forth.

[QUOTE=hippowombat;50878616]The disparity in seriousness and consequences between those two crimes is huge, come on man.[/QUOTE] I'm trying to emphasize that it's very uncommon for someone to get the maximum sentence for something like battery. The lawyer is trying to elicit sympathy by suggesting that he'll get the maximum sentence in the article.

[QUOTE=Perrine;50878631]I'm trying to emphasize that it's very uncommon for someone to get the maximum sentence for something like battery. The lawyer is trying to elicit sympathy by suggesting that he'll get the maximum sentence in the article.[/QUOTE] Oh gotcha, sorry I totally misinterpreted you.

[QUOTE=MaximLaHaxim;50878620]His mom said that he had been struggling with mental issues. Prison isn't going to fix a mental illness.[/QUOTE] Yeah but he also like, assaulted somebody with brass knuckles.

He needs dealing with but a long sentence will not serve in the public interest. If he's actually suffering from mental issues seeing that dealt with would be a good call.

It's really annoying how all you wanna do is just give the lad a good well deserved smack in the face but you know that would contribute nothing

[QUOTE=AaronM202;50878986]Yeah but he also like, assaulted somebody with brass knuckles.[/QUOTE] And? Prison will do jack shit to correct him if he's mentally ill and has trouble controlling himself. Throwing him in a jail cell will be nothing more then injustice, and won't ensure both his and the public's safety.

20 years will destroy his life.. I mean yeah I admit the guy even went as far as to post it on facebook, so he deserves some serious jail time, but come on?

[QUOTE=Perrine;50878631]I'm trying to emphasize that it's very uncommon for someone to get the maximum sentence for something like battery. The lawyer is trying to elicit sympathy by suggesting that he'll get the maximum sentence in the article.[/QUOTE] To be fair, the prosecutor did say in the article that he was going to prosecute the guy "to the fullest extent of the law".

[QUOTE=Tools;50879127]20 years will destroy his life.. I mean yeah I admit the guy even went as far as to post it on facebook, so he deserves some serious jail time, but come on?[/QUOTE] So he deserve less time for such a brutal attack? [QUOTE=MaximLaHaxim;50879119]And? Prison will do jack shit to correct him if he's mentally ill and has trouble controlling himself. Throwing him in a jail cell will be nothing more then injustice, and won't ensure both his and the public's safety.[/QUOTE] What about the victim, dont he deserve justice and safety for the unprovoked attack?

[QUOTE=EskillV2;50879165]So he deserve less time for such a brutal attack? What about the victim, dont he deserve justice and safety for the unprovoked attack?[/QUOTE] What matters is that the perp should be confined. What we do know, since actual details are thin on the ground, is that the perp was previously said to have anger and/or other mental health issues and has already been in juvie for 1 1/2 years. American justice system isn't about rehabilitation, but about being punitive, and it does that very well. Putting him in a jail cell won't do any good in this case; you can confine him in a psych ward so that he'll at least get the help he needs. All putting him in a cell would accomplish would be to probably negatively reinforce whatever messes are already in his mind, and this might ensure that no amount of mental healthcare would fix whatever was wrong with him in the first place. Only if it is determined without absolute doubt that the accused was in full control of his actions at the time of the offense (and his actions themselves do not look good for being able to determine this), should he be tossed into a prison, and only then.

Yes he should be rehabilitated, yes he should be removed from society while that happens, no, 20 years will not ruin his whole life. He'll be 36 ffs.

[quote]"If he gets the maximum sentence, which I hope he doesn't, he'll get out when he is 36 years old... then what?" [/quote] ...Remind him that assaulting people for no reason with a weapon will put him back in prison? Make sure he gets a job flipping burgers somewhere or collecting trash (which pays rather well I might add) so he can live on his own? If he's smart, he will finish school behind bars (which is possible) and also take college courses, so he can come out with the capacity and ability to work at a job that isn't terrible. Maybe when he has some basic understanding of the value of human life, and the lives of others, he can be a positive contributing member of society. By the way, 20 years in prison isn't what will destroy his life, it's his [i]actions[/i] by his own free will that will destroy his life. It was [i]his[/i] decision to blindly attack someone out of hatred, nobody else is to blame for that. Hell, you could even go as far as saying his parents are partly to blame for not raising him better, considering his age. If I was the victim, I'd want him gone from society for as long as possible, so he couldn't hurt somebody else. There's a lot of moral and ethical angles you can take when looking at this situation, with none of them being firmly right or wrong, but somewhere in between. To make a long story short, he will be spending some years behind bars for his indiscretion.

[QUOTE=MaximLaHaxim;50879119]And? Prison will do jack shit to correct him if he's mentally ill and has trouble controlling himself. Throwing him in a jail cell will be nothing more then injustice, and won't ensure both his and the public's safety.[/QUOTE] I mean, throwing him in a cell would probably ensure some form of public safety because then he cant go around beating the shit out of people with slabs of metal. Like, i get it, he need some help, but you keep doing this thing where you're putting the lives of the mentally ill above the lives of the people they endanger. Its getting weird, dude.

Sucker punched with brass knuckles? He's lucky he's not facing an attempted murder charge. [del]Blows to the gut like that have a good chance of causing fatal internal bleeding.[/del]

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;50879601]Sucker punched with brass knuckles? He's lucky he's not faving an attempted murder charge. Blows to the gut like that have a good chance of causing fatal internal bleeding.[/QUOTE] He didn't punch him in the gut, though. He hit in the face and broke just about all of the kid's front teeth.

Just in the subject line "sucker punched" "12 year old"(victim) and "brass knuckles" there are 3 things that each one alone earn time in my opinion.

[QUOTE=Jarokwa;50879344]its truly amazing how some people here defend the criminal.[/QUOTE] Some people have no concept of what sociopathy is or refuse to believe it's a thing that exists.

[QUOTE=Smug Bastard;50879930]Some people have no concept of what sociopathy is or refuse to believe it's a thing that exists.[/QUOTE] Are you referring to the people defending the guy and saying he should be rehabilitated or the people condemning the guy? If you're referring to the former, I'd make the guess that sociopathy is probably one of the things they were referring to when they mention that this guy has mental problems.

[QUOTE=Skerion;50880058]Are you referring to the people defending the guy and saying he should be rehabilitated or the people condemning the guy? If you're referring to the former, I'd make the guess that sociopathy is probably one of the things they were referring to when they mention that this guy has mental problems.[/QUOTE] That carries with it a major misunderstanding of sociopathy. There [B]IS NO CURE[/B] for sociopathy. Sociopaths cannot be rehabilitated except in the sense of demonstrating to them successfully that their actions are going against their own self-interest. In which case, they will just find increasingly clever ways to hide their actions from the law or public scrutiny.