Norway killer Breivik returns to court accusing Norwegian government of breaching the Human Rights. - Polidicks

[img]http://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/209B/production/_88774380_88774379.jpg[/img] [quote]Norwegian mass murderer Anders Behring Breivik has given a Nazi salute upon his return to court to accuse the government of violating his human rights by holding him in isolation. The right-wing extremist has compared his conditions in prison to "torture". Breivik killed 77 people in 2011 when he bombed central Oslo before going on a shooting spree at a Labour Youth camp on the island of Utoya. He was sentenced to 21 years in prison in 2012. Entering the court in a grey suit shortly before 09:00 (08:00 GMT), he shook hands with his lawyers. He made the salute after police removed his handcuffs. Breivik, 37, accuses the Norwegian government of breaching two clauses of the European Convention on Human Rights. One of the clauses guarantees the right to respect for "private and family life" and "correspondence" and the other prohibits "inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment".[/quote] Source: [url]http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35807961[/url]

Said the man who shot a couple dozen kids.

Should move him into the general population and see what happens.

[QUOTE]"inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment".[/QUOTE] Is this about his gaming console again

A right wing reactionary chimp complaining about his human rights being denied while inside arguably the nicest prison system in the world. He's clearly trolling. I'm all for rehabilitation but I'm not sure this guy is ever going to be mentally stable enough to be safely reintroduced to society. I think its also important to make sure he gets no media coverage, otherwise you're just giving him a platform to broadcast his poison from. -snip-

It´s not a clever move to expect human treatment after commiting clearly inhumane crimes. His isolation is both the best for himself and others, regardless. To a degree, him demanding more freedom would be like demanding a worse position.

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;49935805]I'm all for rehabilitation but I'm not sure this guy is ever going to be mentally stable enough to be safely reintroduced to society.[/QUOTE] He will probably never be able to leave. His sentence will just be renewed after 21 years, if we're lucky.

We'll take him. See what he says then.

-angry bs-

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;49935818]Ye it'll be renewed, no worries about him getting out. [sp]I'm not really for the death penalty but if a neo-nazi mass murderer is going to sit in jail for the rest of his life being paid for entirely by a state he contributes nothing toward, without any hope for rehabilitation, then if there is a case for death penalty thats it. Confirmed 100% guilty, no hope of him ever getting released or contributing[/sp][/QUOTE] I still don't want him to get the death penalty but, y'know, I sure do hope he chokes to death on something.

[QUOTE=Limed00d;49935800]Is this about his gaming console again[/QUOTE] If you actually read the thing you'd see it's about him being held in solitary confinement for long amounts of time. That shit destroys your mind, there's a reason why the international red cross, and a fuckton of psychologists are against the practice. To the point where it's strictly prohibited by the UN to even be used on anyone who's mentally ill, and probably at all within the next 10 to 15 years. I wouldn't want this for my worst enemy. Also I love how everyone is going "Hey this guy is human garbage, let's be human garbage too!"

[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;49935827]I still don't want him to get the death penalty but, y'know, I sure do hope he chokes to death on something.[/QUOTE] Then some trollish right wing group might sue the prison system for not keeping their dear brevikins safe from harm.

Well, 21 years is still a long time, people will be born, go through school and start working before he's even given a chance to get out. Maybe he'll change, maybe he won't, only time will tell but it's wrong to assume he never will with such a long period of time. [QUOTE=Crimor;49935837]If you actually read the thing you'd see it's about him being held in solitary confinement for long amounts of time. That shit destroys your mind, there's a reason why the international red cross, and a fuckton of psychologists are against the practice. To the point where it's strictly prohibited by the UN to even be used on anyone who's mentally ill, and probably at all within the next 10 to 15 years. I wouldn't want this for my worst enemy. Also I love how everyone is going "Hey this guy is human garbage, let's be human garbage too!"[/QUOTE] Well there's really no chance for rehabilitation if they break his mind further.

[QUOTE=Crimor;49935837]If you actually read the thing you'd see it's about him being held in solitary confinement for long amounts of time. That shit destroys your mind, there's a reason why the international red cross, and a fuckton of psychologists are against the practice. To the point where it's strictly prohibited by the UN to even be used on anyone who's mentally ill, and probably at all within the next 10 to 15 years. I wouldn't want this for my worst enemy. Also I love how everyone is going "Hey this guy is human garbage, let's be human garbage too!"[/QUOTE] Destroys your mind? Bit late for that, I think.

[QUOTE=Crimor;49935837]If you actually read the thing you'd see it's about him being held in solitary confinement for long amounts of time. That shit destroys your mind, there's a reason why the international red cross, and a fuckton of psychologists are against the practice. To the point where it's strictly prohibited by the UN to even be used on anyone who's mentally ill, and probably at all within the next 10 to 15 years. I wouldn't want this for my worst enemy. Also I love how everyone is going "Hey this guy is human garbage, let's be human garbage too!"[/QUOTE] He shouldn't get solitary, especially if the system is boasted about for being for rehabilitation which it is. If thats all hes complaining about then imo its a cause for concern. In my mind the question still remains if someone can't be rehabilitated whats the sense in waiting for them to be rehabilitated and at what point can you write them off as beyond help? Then what do you do when they are?

[QUOTE=Crimor;49935837]If you actually read the thing you'd see it's about him being held in solitary confinement for long amounts of time. That shit destroys your mind, there's a reason why the international red cross, and a fuckton of psychologists are against the practice. To the point where it's strictly prohibited by the UN to even be used on anyone who's mentally ill, and probably at all within the next 10 to 15 years. I wouldn't want this for my worst enemy. Also I love how everyone is going "Hey this guy is human garbage, let's be human garbage too!"[/QUOTE] This guy does not deserve proper treatment given several factors, including being sane and having ingrained thoughts that killing people is a nice thing to do.

[QUOTE=Crimor;49935837]If you actually read the thing you'd see it's about him being held in solitary confinement for long amounts of time. That shit destroys your mind, there's a reason why the international red cross, and a fuckton of psychologists are against the practice. To the point where it's strictly prohibited by the UN to even be used on anyone who's mentally ill, and probably at all within the next 10 to 15 years. I wouldn't want this for my worst enemy. Also I love how everyone is going "Hey this guy is human garbage, let's be human garbage too!"[/QUOTE] Dude comes out of solitary with a shaved head and giving a sieg heil. Nah keep him in solitary.

He has a point. Solitary confinement [I]is[/I] torture.

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;49935872]He shouldn't get solitary, especially if the system is boasted about for being for rehabilitation which it is. If thats all hes complaining about then imo its a cause for concern. In my mind the question still remains if someone can't be rehabilitated whats the sense in waiting for them to be rehabilitated and at what point can you write them off as beyond help? Then what do you do when they are?[/QUOTE] Well it's impossible to know if someone can or can't be rehabilitated, it's a years long process whose result can't be judged until the end. [QUOTE=Dark RaveN;49935878]This guy does not deserve proper treatment given several factors, including being sane and having ingrained thoughts that killing people is a nice thing to do.[/QUOTE] He deserves proper treament on the basis that he's a human and nothing else. That's how human rights work.

[QUOTE=Crimor;49935837]If you actually read the thing[/QUOTE] I did actually read the article, but I'm not gonna believe any of his complaints until there's more investigation into it. And it's incredibly difficult for me to empathize with someone who has more or less broken friends of mine.

[QUOTE=Electrocuter;49935896]Well it's impossible to know if someone can or can't be rehabilitated, it's a years long process whose result can't be judged until the end. He deserves proper treament on the basis that he's a human and nothing else. That's how human rights work.[/QUOTE] Yeah I suppose in 30 years he might sane up a bit and "repent" for his crimes (strictly in a secular sense). I think I was thinking emotionally when I said he will never be rehabilitate. You're right.

[QUOTE=Crimor;49935837] Also I love how everyone is going "Hey this guy is human garbage, let's be human garbage too!"[/QUOTE] The dude set off a bomb in a city, then went to a youth camp and killed 77 people and injured over 300+ people. He also has an entire cellblock to himself, which has a computer and a games console. But yea, we have to be nice to him... I couldn't give a shit if he is getting upset over solitary confinement, he is quite clearly a neo-nazi (or at least trying) and does not care about the crimes he committed, the lives he ended and the lives that are still broken to this day.

[QUOTE=Jim Morrison;49935895]He has a point. Solitary confinement [I]is[/I] torture.[/QUOTE] No it's not, it's a further form of punishment. Something this man undoubtedly deserves more of, he hasn't learned a thing. Maybe if he didn't pull off a fiasco in court with a nazi salute I would have more sympathy. He's not being locked in a fucking box for eternity. He's in his comfy room with a T.V. and computer, and hes complaining about being handcuffed too often. Fuck him. Hes probably doing this shit just so stuff like this can happen, people remember Anders, they remember Oslo, they remember what he did. Hes trying to stay relevant and piss people off so they won't forget what he did.

Also he isn't exactly locked in a dark room with no doors or windows... [quote]The Norwegian Correctional Service denies Breivik is held in solitary confinement, preferring the phrase 'excluded from the company of other prisoners' - as he disposes of an entire block. At Skien prison, Breivik lives in three different cells - for living, study and exercise - between which he can move freely. He also access to a computer, which is not connected to the internet, as well as his own television and a PlayStation. The right-wing anti-muslim extremist is also free to take walks in a yard at his leisure and he can cook his own food and do his laundry should he so wish.[/quote]

Send him to the Black Dolphin prison for a couple of months and we'll see how he'll feel about his current conditions.

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;49935872]He shouldn't get solitary, especially if the system is boasted about for being for rehabilitation which it is. If thats all hes complaining about then imo its a cause for concern. In my mind the question still remains if someone can't be rehabilitated whats the sense in waiting for them to be rehabilitated and at what point can you write them off as beyond help? Then what do you do when they are?[/QUOTE] He is beyond help. Its very clear that he is. But honestly, this guy is only in for [B]21[/B]years. Minimum is 10. They should at least try something. But hes going to be free by 2033, for a guy who killed 77 people.

He lost his right being treated like a human being the day he did the shooting. I'm all for being above him, but he is getting a way better treatment then he deserves.

[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;49935878]This guy does not deserve proper treatment given several factors, including being sane and having ingrained thoughts that killing people is a nice thing to do.[/QUOTE] It's not about if he deserves it or not, he clearly doesn't. We have come together and decided that we are going to try to rehabilitate all people and don't use death penalties. We can't pick and choose and say that Brievik is an exception because that would go against everything the justice system currently stands for. Everyone should be treated the same in the eyes of the law so if we kill Brievik we should also kill all other murderers because they don't deserve being rehabilitated either.

There is something ironic about the anti-EU guy invoking the European Conventions on human rights while simultaneously donning the Nazi Germany salute.

[QUOTE=Richard Simmons;49935927]He is beyond help. Its very clear that he is. [/QUOTE] Thank you for giving us your opinion as an educated criminal psychologist who traveled back in time from 2033 after Breivik has gone through two decades of extended rehabilitation and review.