[QUOTE]The Trump administration will stop making critically important payments to insurers who sell Obamacare health plans, a bombshell move that is expected to spike premium prices and potentially lead many insurers to exit the marketplace.[/QUOTE]
[URL="https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/12/obamacare-bombshell-trump-kills-key-payments-to-health-insurers.html"]
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/12/obamacare-bombshell-trump-kills-key-payments-to-health-insurers.html[/URL]
Immediately too I think, it might start affecting plans starting next month?
So if you can't repeal it, just make it borderline unusable so that we'll have no other option?
The fucker waited as close as he could until the beginning of enrollment.
Remember, don't let him pin the blame on Democrats. This is [I]his doing.[/I]
[QUOTE=TFA;52775150]So if you can't repeal it, just make it borderline unusable so that we'll have no other option?[/QUOTE]
Yeah pretty much
I'm going to be fucking livid when he inevitably talks about how it was "imploding", while doing everything he can to undermine it.
Its so despicable that he's gambling with people's lives for a petty political win.
Guess the next time I get sick and get hospitalized I'll just fucking die
thanks trump
"everyone should have insurance" he spews while working to make it as difficult as possible for people to get and maintain insurance.
He's a piece of shit and he's doing everything he can to tear apart the pillars of the country. Can we please fucking impeach him for actively attacking his own citizens
Trump is actively harming Americans. He is the biggest threat in the world to our safety, health, and welfare. He must be removed from power by any means necessary.
This is very similar to what the conservatives have tried to do with our NHS.
They appointed a man who wrote a book on making money from forcing privatisation of healthcare, as health secretary, They make constant slashes it's funding, They sell off departments to private firms piecemeal and freeze the wages of staff for nearly a decade.
Then when the system ultimately starts to falter, they can act all vindicated "see! we told you that socialist rubbish was doomed to fail!"
Of all the dirty tricks performed by those in power, Sabotaging healthcare to score political points is uniquely sickening to me.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;52775331]Trump is actively harming Americans. He is the biggest threat in the world to our safety, health, and welfare. He must be removed from power by any means necessary.[/QUOTE]
Impeachment is an option too few are willing to pursue..unfortunately.
[QUOTE=Quark:;52775413]Impeachment is an option too few are willing to pursue..unfortunately.[/QUOTE]
I think a LOT of us are willing to pursue impeachment.
...but that doesn't mean anything. We don't have any power at all.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;52775331]Trump is actively harming Americans. He is the biggest threat in the world to our safety, health, and welfare. He must be removed from power by any means necessary.[/QUOTE]
So what you are implying when you say, "by any means necessary" is that all choices are good choices on how to remove Trump from power? Or do you mean by any legal means necessary? I'm worried that any scenario is considered acceptable for Trump's removal from power even if it might have catastrophic long-term consequences.
[QUOTE=Howlthrug;52775535]So what you are implying when you say, "by any means necessary" is that all choices are good choices on how to remove Trump from power? Or do you mean by any legal means necessary? I'm worried that any scenario is considered acceptable for Trump's removal from power even if it might have catastrophic long-term consequences.[/QUOTE]
'any means necessary' ranges from legal impeachment all the way to killing every single American in the world (a king is not a king without people to rule over) So I'd suggest narrowing that down a bit.
That literally covers from Bernie Sanders all the way to ISIS and NK.
welp there goes the dominoes.
jesus he's off his rocker this week. he is decertifying iran for political brownies, he just trashed the obamacare market and then he trashed these payments, 10$ says john kelly or tillerson are out soon since both have denied it and both have "the president's utmost confidence" which is exactly what everybody else has had before being sacked
[QUOTE=The golden;52775771]It's so damn surreal to think that just a few hours south of me, across the border, you basically have to hope you don't fucking die every time you have something serious happen to you. That's the kind of thing I would expect from some impoverished African nation or something.[/QUOTE]
here most people conflate insurance of any kind to healthcare. i can get accident insurance at work for like 4$ but that ain't healthcare, but that is what people think of
[QUOTE=Sableye;52775774]here most people conflate insurance of any kind to healthcare. i can get accident insurance at work for like 4$ but that ain't healthcare, but that is what people think of[/QUOTE]
I'm amazed you have to pay even for that. Employers are responsible for providing it here, and it's not optional.
[QUOTE=Tamschi;52775812]I'm amazed you have to pay even for that. Employers are responsible for providing it here, and it's not optional.[/QUOTE]
"bah socialism"
Not surprised at all by this:
[QUOTE=bord2tears;52483258]I hate to say it, but I'm inclined to believe a fair number of voters out there will see a failing ACA as unrelated to Trump because: he said he would not touch it and Fox will absolutely whitewash any defunding / malignant inaction on his part.
Not enough to put money down, but better odds than a coin flip.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=fulgrim;52775390]This is very similar to what the conservatives have tried to do with our NHS.
They appointed a man who wrote a book on making money from forcing privatisation of healthcare, as health secretary, They make constant slashes it's funding, They sell off departments to private firms piecemeal and freeze the wages of staff for nearly a decade.
Then when the system ultimately starts to falter, they can act all vindicated "see! we told you that socialist rubbish was doomed to fail!"
Of all the dirty tricks performed by those in power, Sabotaging healthcare to score political points is uniquely sickening to me.[/QUOTE]
Fucking boggles my mind how the health of their citizens is something they do their damndest to cut corners on for some cash.
Climate change I can at least half understand because that requires have a little foresight and politicians seem to have a hard time with that. (Im not saying its okay to ignore it, saying its a less immediate problem than not having healthcare) But Healthcare affects the here and now.
[QUOTE=bord2tears;52775939]Not surprised at all by this:[/QUOTE]
Then everyone should do their duty to make sure they get as many people possible to know that this is trump and trump alone's doing
Yes, it's probably safest to assume that I meant that we should all start slaughtering each other and eating children.
So the idea is to leave Obamacare in place, but make it as shitty as possible so that people hate Obama/Democrats for giving them insurance?
Everyone, remember this moment. Countless arguments about who caused this will be had, and it will be awful.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;52776032]"By any means necessary". By very definition that means "using all means (including violence) to accomplish a task".
So what is it? Shall we use violence or shall we do the right thing and wait for the investigations and justice system to do its thing?[/QUOTE]
A poor choice of words on BDA's part, but from what I've seen him post in the past, he means "any LEGAL means necessary". Removing Trump in any other way, such as through violence, will undoubtedly cause a crisis in the United States.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;52776032]"By any means necessary". By very definition that means "using all means (including violence) to accomplish a task".
So what is it? Shall we use violence or shall we do the right thing and wait for the investigations and justice system to do its thing?[/QUOTE]
If I meant violence, I would say violence. Cool your roll. I'm saying that we [I]cannot[/I] allow his regime to stay in power. We need endless mass protests, nationwide. We need to force something to be done about this sick little tyrant. We need to force impeachment for his assaults against the people, his failure to uphold his oath to defend the Constitution, and his many high crimes in office, including obstruction of justice, extortion, and perjury. Trump is one of the greatest threats our country has ever seen.
[QUOTE=Sableye;52775774]here most people conflate insurance of any kind to healthcare. i can get accident insurance at work for like 4$ but that ain't healthcare, but that is what people think of[/QUOTE]
Wait wait, accident insurance as in if you get hurt at work? Don't pay a cent for that shit, your employer is legally obligated to maintain workers comp insurance.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;52776032]It would literally take 1 bombing in the name of "getting rid of trump" to cement trump's power for 7 more years. [/QUOTE]
would it though? i mean obviously it would be really bad, but all the problems with Trump would still exist. nothing is "cement" with him. like for all we know, that could happen and then Trump just plain fucks up for no apparent reason. like by cutting ties with the GOP and/or running as an independent for whatever reason, or getting out-gambitted by Mueller, or causing a humanitarian crisis or an unpopular war or something, or just being unsupervised near a toaster and a fork.
[QUOTE=Cone;52776179]would it though? i mean obviously it would be really bad, but all the problems with Trump would still exist. nothing is "cement" with him. like for all we know, that could happen and then Trump just plain fucks up for no apparent reason. like by cutting ties with the GOP and/or running as an independent for whatever reason, or getting out-gambitted by Mueller, or causing a humanitarian crisis or an unpopular war or something, or just being unsupervised near a toaster and a fork.[/QUOTE]
google "burning of the reichstag"
[QUOTE=Cone;52776179]would it though? i mean obviously it would be really bad, but all the problems with Trump would still exist. nothing is "cement" with him. like for all we know, that could happen and then Trump just plain fucks up for no apparent reason. like by cutting ties with the GOP and/or running as an independent for whatever reason, or getting out-gambitted by Mueller, or causing a humanitarian crisis or an unpopular war or something, or just being unsupervised near a toaster and a fork.[/QUOTE]
if we had a bombing or a shooting that wasn't an act of random violence, but an attempt on the president, he'd have all the ammunition he wanted to sieze power. That's how dictators reinforce themselves into office, they find a scapegoat to argue why they need extra power, why they NEED to restrict the people's liberties. Whether or not trump himself is wishywashy and just says whatever is irrelevant, he has power. That's all he wants, if he or his people see an opening to start actively silencing dissent ('fake' news) without evidence or due process, that's already a step too far. You don't need an open declaration of martial law to know what he's up to.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;52776032]"By any means necessary". By very definition that means "using all means (including violence) to accomplish a task".
So what is it? Shall we use violence or shall we do the right thing and wait for the investigations and justice system to do its thing?
The reason i'm making this point is because there is a growing amount of people who say "yea, fuck doritoman, we need to get rid of him NOW". Those people might not be willing to do violence, but they incite others to violence.
Let me be clear: Unless there's a widespread revolt, a tiny amount of violence, any violence at all really, is going to completely cement trump's power. It would literally take 1 bombing in the name of "getting rid of trump" to cement trump's power for 7 more years.
So chose your words carefully, there are people listening who'd absolutely resort to violence amidst calls of "do anything necessary"[/QUOTE]
Violence is not automatically the wrong thing. It takes a very childish and unrealistic view on life to think that violence has no place in society's progress, especially when the enemies are basically defined by their use of economic violence
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;52776250]All it'd take is someone leaving behind a manifesto saying "I did this because trump", and then the GOP and trump would have a fucking field day. They'd declare some sort of national emergency, and then go to party town. You think the current situation is shit? Nah, not even a drop in the ocean if the GOP could declare an emergency.
They could EASILY argue against the first amendment, and with todays culture (assuming they played their cards right), could get massive restrictions on the first amendment. With the first maimed, they could easily cripple the second (with huge support from the left too), with the first 2 gone the rest could easily follow if they were deemed "problematic".
And yea the whole "omg you're exaggerating, slippery slope nonsense", I openly welcome you to look at how any tyrant came to power, and then look at the situation in the US.
What's even better about the whole situation is: Freedom and Democracy would die, and there would be applause. Because everyone would think "yea, now we've finally got those evil (insert scapegoat here)", without even remotely realizing that now they've got no freedom left, and no more voice in the matter.[/QUOTE]
but what does playing your cards right actually entail? i feel like you're skipping the most important details here. how do they sell the public on it? how do they get that through the government? what happens to Republicans who pull a Freedom Caucus and vote against it? what if the government just isn't theirs at the time? and again, what if Trump just does something really stupid for no apparent reason?
like i'm not saying the US can't be subverted in this way or that the GOP wouldn't do terrible things after an attempted assassination, i just think that there's some very specific missing steps and details from assassination to state of emergency to 1984
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