I remember seeing this when it was on TV. Usually Jeremy Kyle is full of utter scum but here I couldn't look away
I don't think "Best Moments" was the right thing to put on this
I can't even imagine what that would feel like.
When he left the room for some privacy but the camera guy followed him anyway and kept filming
what the heck man
so when can we finally agree that the stigma around incest is pointless
[QUOTE=DrTaxi;47796255]so when can we finally agree that the stigma around incest is pointless[/QUOTE]
Simski is that you?
[QUOTE=DrTaxi;47796255]so when can we finally agree that the stigma around incest is pointless[/QUOTE]
The slippery slope is real.
[QUOTE=DrTaxi;47796255]so when can we finally agree that the stigma around incest is pointless[/QUOTE]
It's pointless in this case because it's not like they were going to inbreed.
[QUOTE=SuperLoz;47796238]When he left the room for some privacy but the camera guy followed him anyway and kept filming
what the heck man[/QUOTE]
That's the Jeremy Kyle show in a nutshell
Jeremy might occasionally do something approaching human every once in a while, like that video recently where he shot back at the audience, but at the end of the day his show is there to exploit people with problems for money and suck the drama out of it dry, extra points if they look like the arse end of a donkey and can't form a coherent string of sentences, or have violent tendencies, though oddly these three don't seem to apply to this particular case
Well, I say oddly, the real reason the three don't apply here is because if he'd ripped into them or laughed at them here his show would have been canned, his body strung up a tree, the studio burned down and his name tarnished as the purest means of invoking Satan for all eternity, not necessarily in that order
[QUOTE=The DooD;47796297]It's pointless in this case because it's not like they were going to inbreed.[/QUOTE]
gay incest is a-okay!
[QUOTE=Nikota;47796295]The slippery slope is real.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Jund;47796709]gay incest is a-okay![/QUOTE]
Genuinely though, what is the issue in this case? Who is the victim?
"Laugh and the whole world laughs with you; weep and you weep alone."
[QUOTE=Rufia;47796928]Genuinely though, what is the issue in this case? Who is the victim?[/QUOTE]
What is the victim in any case of incest?
[QUOTE=MatheusMCardoso;47797010]What is the victim in any case of incest?[/QUOTE]
The accidental incest child that results?
[QUOTE=MatheusMCardoso;47797010]What is the victim in any case of incest?[/QUOTE]
Presumably the victim if its a case of incestuous rape.
[QUOTE=Splash Attack;47797038]The accidental incest child that results?[/QUOTE]
What about incestuous couples that never have children (or not "their own", at least)? What have they ever done to anybody?
Do you [I]honestly[/I] think just because people who happen to be closely related to each other happen to love each other, some switch in their mind flicks and suddenly they don't care whether any children they would have would be born with disabilities?
Besides, what about people who have hereditary diseases? In many (though not all) of those cases, their children would 100% have the same disease. But I don't see you telling them they mustn't have sex, or a relationship. Hell, I don't see most people who are against incest telling them not to have children. If similar laws to those prohibiting incest were made, there would be an outcry.
I'm guessing the real reason is "eww a [del]gay[/del] incest couple". And society perpetuating it is ruining the lives of people like in OP, with absolutely no justification. Like homophobia might have just a short while ago.
[QUOTE=Splash Attack;47797038]The accidental incest child that results?[/QUOTE]
There is literally nothing wrong with incest children.
[editline]24th May 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=DrTaxi;47797152]What about incestuous couples that never have children (or not "their own", at least)? What have they ever done to anybody?
Do you [I]honestly[/I] think just because people who happen to be closely related to each other happen to love each other, some switch in their mind flicks and suddenly they don't care whether any children they would have would be born with disabilities?
Besides, what about people who have hereditary diseases? In many (though not all) of those cases, their children would 100% have the same disease. But I don't see you telling them they mustn't have sex, or a relationship. Hell, I don't see most people who are against incest telling them not to have children. If similar laws to those prohibiting incest were made, there would be an outcry.
I'm guessing the real reason is "eww a [del]gay[/del] incest couple". And society perpetuating it is ruining the lives of people like in OP, with absolutely no justification. Like homophobia might have just a short while ago.[/QUOTE]
Exactly this.
People keep saying "the slippery slope is real" but let's be honest, is the slippery slope [I]really[/I] that bad? Hell, most slippery slopes are damn great for things like sledding, waterparks and skiing, why should this one be any different?
This thread is going to be great
[QUOTE=DrTaxi;47797152]
I'm guessing the real reason is "eww a [del]gay[/del] incest couple". And society perpetuating it is ruining the lives of people like in OP, with absolutely no justification. Like homophobia might have just a short while ago.[/QUOTE]
Did you seriously just compare sexual preference to butt-fucking your own brother?
[QUOTE=AaronM202;47797178]Did you seriously just compare sexual preference to butt-fucking your own brother?[/QUOTE]
Butt-fucking your brother is a preference, and butt-fucking is usually sexual.
[QUOTE=AaronM202;47797178]Did you seriously just compare sexual preference to butt-fucking your own brother?[/QUOTE]
Yes, yes I did.
Incest is an abnormal sexual attraction - most people aren't into incest. So is homosexuality - most people are straight.
It's also incompatible with the traditional family - the husband may also be the brother etc. So is homosexuality - there's no wife.
It also doesn't serve the growth of the human population - the children of incestuous couples, if they decide to have children, have an increased risk of being born with diseases. Homosexual couples don't bear children.
It also doesn't, by itself, hurt anybody involved. Incest couples aren't [I]by definition[/I] dysfunctional, or unhappy - neither are homosexuals despite how homophobic messages tend to present them. And they don't necessarily have children - any distaste towards incest couples in general because of the portion of them that do is thus pure prejudice.
You could say incest couples "hurt people" by making them feel disgust towards them, but if you were gonna make that argument, you'd have to say the same about homosexuals, because homophobes also exist in quite large amounts. But you don't do that, because that would be awful, right?
So what's the meaningful difference that makes this comparison unfair?
The only one I see is that society has (largely) progressed far enough to accept two men having sex, but not two brothers.
[QUOTE=DrTaxi;47796255]so when can we finally agree that the stigma around incest is pointless[/QUOTE]
tell us more about how you want to fuck your cousins
[QUOTE=SuperLoz;47796238]When he left the room for some privacy but the camera guy followed him anyway and kept filming
what the heck man[/QUOTE]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZuFDS0gzjY[/media]
[QUOTE=DrTaxi;47797152]What about incestuous couples that never have children (or not "their own", at least)? What have they ever done to anybody?
Do you [I]honestly[/I] think just because people who happen to be closely related to each other happen to love each other, some switch in their mind flicks and suddenly they don't care whether any children they would have would be born with disabilities?
Besides, what about people who have hereditary diseases? In many (though not all) of those cases, their children would 100% have the same disease. But I don't see you telling them they mustn't have sex, or a relationship. Hell, I don't see most people who are against incest telling them not to have children. If similar laws to those prohibiting incest were made, there would be an outcry.
I'm guessing the real reason is "eww a [del]gay[/del] incest couple". And society perpetuating it is ruining the lives of people like in OP, with absolutely no justification. Like homophobia might have just a short while ago.[/QUOTE]
lol this is your society on care/harm
ironically, i blame the dutch
[QUOTE=DrTaxi;47797278]The only one I see is that society has (largely) progressed far enough to accept two men having sex, but not two brothers.[/QUOTE]
To see the normalization of incest as progress is something abhorrent to the senses, that in turn can skim dangerously close to pedophilia, abuse, and taking advantage of people.
I don't get the incest issue, If he wants to butt-fuck his brother and the brother wants that too, what is wrong with that?
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;47797351]To see the normalization of incest as progress is something abhorrent to the senses[/QUOTE]
As in, "incest disgusts me so I don't want it to be acceptable?" Or am I misinterpreting you here?
[QUOTE]that in turn can skim dangerously close to pedophilia, abuse, and taking advantage of people.[/QUOTE]
Now there's a slippery slope if I've ever seen one. Literally the same one homophobes use, even.
Guess what, if you're saying "we shouldn't accept X, because if we accept something, we might accept something harmful too" (which doesn't make any sense anyway, as the entire reason I'm giving for accepting incest is that it doesn't have the immoral properties that abuse, by definition, in every instance has), you're still unfairly prosecuting individuals who haven't done anything wrong.
[QUOTE=Andre Gomes;47797359]I don't get the incest issue, If he wants to butt-fuck his brother and the brother wants that too, what is wrong with that?[/QUOTE]
i love how we as a society have managed to solve 2500 years of moral philosophy by condensing all ethical arguments into "i thought about it for 5 seconds and i can't think of anything bad that will immediately happen"
did I say love i meant terrified
[editline]25th May 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=DrTaxi;47797395]Now there's a slippery slope if I've ever seen one. Literally the same one homophobes use, even.
Guess what, if you're saying "we shouldn't accept X, because if we accept something, we might accept something harmful too" (which doesn't make any sense anyway, as the entire reason I'm giving for accepting incest is that it doesn't have the immoral properties that abuse, by definition, in every instance has), you're still unfairly prosecuting individuals who haven't done anything wrong.[/QUOTE]
one of the arguments homophobes use(d) is literally "if we condone homosexuality, that'll lead clear the path to normalizing incest", good to see you're proving us right
[QUOTE=DrTaxi;47797278]Yes, yes I did.
Incest is an abnormal sexual attraction - most people aren't into incest. So is homosexuality - most people are straight.
It's also incompatible with the traditional family - the husband may also be the brother etc. So is homosexuality - there's no wife.
It also doesn't serve the growth of the human population - the children of incestuous couples, if they decide to have children, have an increased risk of being born with diseases. Homosexual couples don't bear children.
It also doesn't, by itself, hurt anybody involved. Incest couples aren't [I]by definition[/I] dysfunctional, or unhappy - neither are homosexuals despite how homophobic messages tend to present them. And they don't necessarily have children - any distaste towards incest couples in general because of the portion of them that do is thus pure prejudice.
You could say incest couples "hurt people" by making them feel disgust towards them, but if you were gonna make that argument, you'd have to say the same about homosexuals, because homophobes also exist in quite large amounts. But you don't do that, because that would be awful, right?
So what's the meaningful difference that makes this comparison unfair?
The only one I see is that society has (largely) progressed far enough to accept two men having sex, but not two brothers.[/QUOTE]
Im sorry, but, like.
I cant even come up with a proper response to this, like, dude, you're trying to justify incest.
Its not even that i cant word whats wrong with it... Its just that i cant fathom why you're trying to justify [i]incest[/i].
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