• Islamic State crushes rebellion plot in Mosul as army closes in
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[IMG]http://s4.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20161014&t=2&i=1157440426&w=&fh=&fw=&ll=780&pl=468&sq=&r=LYNXMPEC9D0MX[/IMG] [QUOTE]A convoy of Iraqi security forces advances on the outskirts of Mosul, to fight against Islamic State militants, in Kirkuk, Iraq, October 12, 2016.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Islamic State has crushed a rebellion plot in Mosul, led by one of the group's commanders who aimed to switch sides and help deliver the caliphate's Iraqi capital to government forces, residents and Iraqi security officials said. Islamic State (IS) executed 58 people suspected of taking part in the plot after it was uncovered last week. Residents, who spoke to Reuters from some of the few locations in the city that have phone service, said the plotters were killed by drowning and their bodies were buried in a mass grave in a wasteland on the outskirts of the city. Among them was a local aide of IS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, who led the plotters, according to matching accounts given by five residents, by Hisham al-Hashimi, an expert on IS affairs that advises the government in Baghdad and by colonel Ahmed al-Taie, from Mosul's Nineveh province Operation Command's military intelligence. Reuters is not publishing the name of the plot leader to avoid increasing the safety risk for his family, nor the identities of those inside the city who spoke about the plot. The aim of the plotters was to undermine Islamic State's defense of Mosul in the upcoming fight, expected to be the biggest battle in Iraq since the 2003 U.S.-led invasion. Mosul is the last major stronghold of Islamic State in Iraq. With a pre-war population of around 2 million, it is at least five times the size of any other city Islamic State has controlled. Iraqi officials say a massive ground assault could begin this month, backed by U.S. air power, Kurdish security forces and Shi'ite and Sunni irregular units. A successful offensive would effectively destroy the Iraqi half of the caliphate that the group declared when it swept through northern Iraq in 2014. But the United Nations says it could also create the biggest humanitarian crisis in the world, in a worst case scenario uprooting 1 million people.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]According to Hashimi, the dissidents were arrested after one of them was caught with a message on his phone mentioning a transfer of weapons. He confessed during interrogation that weapons were being hidden in three locations, to be used in a rebellion to support the Iraqi army when it closes in on Mosul. IS raided the three houses used to hide the weapons on Oct. 4, Hashimi said. “Those were Daesh members who turned against the group in Mosul," said Iraqi Counter-terrorism Service spokesman Sabah al-Numani in Baghdad, using an Arabic acronym for Islamic State. "This is a clear sign that the terrorist organization has started to lose support not only from the population, but even from its own members.” A spokesman for the U.S.-led military coalition which conducts air strikes on Islamic State targets in Syria and Iraq was unable to confirm or deny the accounts of the thwarted plot. Signs of cracks inside the "caliphate" appeared this year as the ultra-hardline Sunni group was forced out of half the territory it overran two years ago in northern and western Iraq. Some people in Mosul have been expressing their refusal of IS's harsh rules by spray-painting the letter M, for the Arabic word that means resistance, on city walls, or "wanted" on houses of its militants. Such activity is punished by death.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-iraq-mosul-exclusive-idUSKBN12E0Z0[/url]
Oh, I get it. Let's do what Hitler did to starling Joseph Stalin and get them to remove their own troops and generals in form of rumors and misdirection. Excellence work! However, It's a dreadful way to go.
[QUOTE=Sims_doc;51202070]Oh, I get it. Let's do what Hitler did to starling Joseph Stalin and get them to remove their own troops and generals in form of rumors and misdirection. Excellence work! However, It's a dreadful way to go.[/QUOTE] I dont see the connection, care to elaborate?
My guess is he's implying that Iraqi forces let the rebellion be crushed instead of helping them out. Like the Warsaw uprising. Idk its the best thing I can come up with.
The sooner Mosul is taken, and the sooner the heads of every ISIS scumbags are rolling, the better. Seriously, the kind of untapped rage that the Shia militias are going to unleash on ISIS supporters/collaborators is going to be mental.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;51205631]The sooner Mosul is taken, and the sooner the heads of every ISIS scumbags are rolling, the better. Seriously, the kind of untapped rage that the Shia militias are going to unleash on ISIS supporters/collaborators is going to be mental.[/QUOTE] And it also might destroy Sunni/Shia relations in northwestern Iraq for generations to come.
[QUOTE=Blizzerd;51202158]I dont see the connection, care to elaborate?[/QUOTE] Probably something to do with the Soviet officer purge before WWII, where Stalin decided to be paranoid and kill basically every high-ranking, experienced veteran he had; leading to the military disaster that was the Soviet tactics and leadership in WWII.
[QUOTE=King Tiger;51205887]And it also might destroy Sunni/Shia relations in northwestern Iraq for generations to come.[/QUOTE] Yeah get ready for round 2, when ISIS is gone its going to leave a power vacuum to be filled by all the other crazies and radicals that have popped up to fight them. Then theirs talk of an independent Kurdistan which other countries won't tolerate.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;51205631]The sooner Mosul is taken, and the sooner the heads of every ISIS scumbags are rolling, the better. Seriously, the kind of untapped rage that the Shia militias are going to unleash on ISIS supporters/collaborators is going to be mental.[/QUOTE] The kind of untapped rage those mongrels release on any sunni regardless of affiliation as they have been will only make this mess worse. The largest shia militia mobilization is led by a designated terrorist whos worked with Hezbollah, and war crimes occur wherever they "liberate". If the Iraqi government wasnt so incompetent and corrupt they would be turning their guns on the shia militias as well as ISIS.
[QUOTE=Riller;51205932]Probably something to do with the Soviet officer purge before WWII, where Stalin decided to be paranoid and kill basically every high-ranking, experienced veteran he had; leading to the military disaster that was the Soviet tactics and leadership in WWII.[/QUOTE] Mostly during the Winter War and Barbarossa. They got their shit together during and after Stalingrad.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;51206033]Mostly during the Winter War and Barbarossa. They got their shit together during and after Stalingrad.[/QUOTE] Yep. Once they regained the veterancy; skills and experience lost. Had they never purged; Finland prolly wouldn't exist from 1945-1991; and moscow wouldn't have felt a single artillery-shell.
[QUOTE=Riller;51206106]Yep. Once they regained the veterancy; skills and experience lost. Had they never purged; Finland prolly wouldn't exist from 1945-1991; and moscow wouldn't have felt a single artillery-shell.[/QUOTE] Also if there was no Stalin at all, USSR wouldn't even have an alliance with Nazi Germany that everyone could see would never last.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;51205631]The sooner Mosul is taken, and the sooner the heads of every ISIS scumbags are rolling, the better. Seriously, the kind of untapped rage that the Shia militias are going to unleash on ISIS supporters/collaborators is going to be mental.[/QUOTE] the sooner mosul is retaken the sooner the US and Russian proxy forces square off.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;51205631]The sooner Mosul is taken, and the sooner the heads of every ISIS scumbags are rolling, the better. Seriously, the kind of untapped rage that the Shia militias are going to unleash on ISIS supporters/collaborators is going to be mental.[/QUOTE] Jesus Christ, you truly are fucking bloodthirsty.
[QUOTE=Riller;51206106]Yep. Once they regained the veterancy; skills and experience lost. Had they never purged; Finland prolly wouldn't exist from 1945-1991; and moscow wouldn't have felt a single artillery-shell.[/QUOTE] And stalin would have been deposed before a single german set foot on russian soil... possibly making it so they would still be fighting with mostly ww1 tactics becase with the culling came lots of inexperience, but also experimenting and fresh ideas... + did not have the industrial boom under stalins iron grip. It would mean Soviet russia had no more then 1/10th of the tank prouction by the time of stalinrad, and had almost no tanks compared to the amount they did when the germans attacked. Thus its safe to say if the culling did not happen, soviet russia would probably be off for the worse in the long time from a military stance.
[QUOTE=Blizzerd;51206606]And stalin would have been deposed before a single german set foot on russian soil... possibly making it so they would still be fighting with mostly ww1 tactics becase with the culling came lots of inexperience, but also experimenting and fresh ideas... + did not have the industrial boom under stalins iron grip. It would mean Soviet russia had no more then 1/10th of the tank prouction by the time of stalinrad, and had almost no tanks compared to the amount they did when the germans attacked. Thus its safe to say if the culling did not happen, soviet russia would probably be off for the worse in the long time from a military stance.[/QUOTE] how did the purge avoid stalin getting deposed and russia losing the war?
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