The Conservative Party of Canada's plans for internet surveillance - Polidicks

Source: [url=http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/5733/125/]Michael Geist's blog[/url] (note: opinion blog!) Direct Source: [url=http://www.conservative.ca/media/ConservativePlatform2011_ENs.pdf]Conservative Platform 2011 (PDF)[/url] This week the Conservative Party of Canada revealed their election platform, and in it are some troubling things about the future of the internet in Canada should the Conservatives get a majority. Because the blog I linked to is more or less an opinion blog, I'll only quote the sections that talk about the actual content of the Conservative's platform. For their entire platform (including their internet surveillance plans), check the PDF above. [quote]The first prong mandates the disclosure of Internet provider customer information [b]without court oversight.[/b] Under current privacy laws, providers may voluntarily disclose customer information but are not required to do so. The new system would require the disclosure of customer name, address, phone number, email address, Internet protocol address, and a series of device identification numbers.[/quote] [quote]The second prong requires Internet providers to dramatically re-work their networks to allow for real-time surveillance. The bill sets out detailed capability requirements that will eventually apply to all Canadian Internet providers. [b]These include the power to intercept communications, to isolate the communications to a particular individual, and to engage in multiple simultaneous interceptions.[/b][/quote] [quote]Having obtained customer information without court oversight and mandated Internet surveillance capabilities, the third prong creates a several new police powers designed to obtain access to the surveillance data. These include new transmission data warrants that would grant real-time access to all the information generated during the creation, transmission or reception of a communication including the type, direction, time, duration, origin, destination or termination of the communication. Law enforcement could then obtain a preservation order to require providers to preserve subscriber information, including specific communication information, for 90 days. Finally, having obtained and preserved the data, production orders can be used to require the disclosure of specified communications or transmission data. [b]While Internet providers would actively work with law enforcement in collecting and disclosing the subscriber information, they could also be prohibited from disclosing the disclosures as court may bar them from informing subscribers that they have been subject to surveillance or information disclosures.[/b][/quote] Finally, a bit of opinion from the blog that's relevant: [quote][b]None of this is to say the Liberals would be any better. They introduced their own lawful access package many years ago and the reactionof MPs like McTeague in 2009 was "what took you so long."[/b] The Liberals point to protection from digital threats in their platform, but do not specifically discuss lawful access. They should be asked about where they stand now (so too for the NDP which marshalled opposition in 2009). Given the Conservatives have included fast tracking lawful access in their platform, they should be asked to explain the need for new Internet surveillance, address who will pay for it, and justify their proposal legislative approach to these dramatic reforms that have never been the subject of Parliamentary debate or hearings. [/quote] It's a shame too, all of the parties really stepped up to the plate on the UBB issue and the liberals seemed to back net neutrality. Looks like our politicians may not be as internet-friendly as we had hoped. Something to consider while you're casting your vote.

Hopefully they will be elected as a minority.

Lawmakers need to stop trying to police the internet.

[QUOTE=Hoffa1337;29073796]Lawmakers need to stop trying to police the internet.[/QUOTE] There are illegal things on the internet (child porn, libel, DDoSing) and law enforcement should absolutely have the right to enforce those laws, but forcing ISPs to reveal customer information without a warrant is unacceptable.

I can't see why they need to bypass a judge for this. I definitely see a need for tracking illegal stuff but having free range to watch everything is quite the slippery slope. Also, what about [url=http://www.comodo.com/business-security/digital-certificates/ssl.php]2048 bit ssl that is coming up[/url]? Surely they don't think they would be able to sniff that considering that banks/corporations rely on such security.

[QUOTE=Cl0cK;29073750]Hopefully they will be elected as a minority.[/QUOTE] Or rather, let's hope Conservatives don't get elected at all.

So will this affect people who pirate/torrent?

[QUOTE=The golden;29074483]Not really surprising. The Internet as we know it is going to die, and it's going to die hard and fast. It's only a matter of time.[/QUOTE] The internet has already destroyed many professions, and has bled the money out of several industries. It has been used as a tool to overthrow dictators, and empowered peasants to revolt. Something that powerful cannot be taken down by the legislature of Luddites. I guarantee that these plans are going to backfire.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;29073824]There are illegal things on the internet (child porn, libel, DDoSing) and law enforcement should absolutely have the right to enforce those laws, but forcing ISPs to reveal customer information without a warrant is unacceptable.[/QUOTE] It's a violation of your rights not to mention.

Meh, they can police the internet all they want for all I care. It's just the internet. Just you wait until they watch you every second of your life.

And if this does happen I will encrypt everything I do.

[QUOTE=User;29074767]And if this does happen I will encrypt everything I do.[/QUOTE] It's not like you'd be encrypting anything of significance to anyone. You'd be safe without.

Looks like I'm going to have to vote Green Party or not vote at all because it seems that the Liberals are just as bad with that tool Ignatieff. The Conservatives seem much better because they don't bicker and complain like the others but not anymore. The NDP? Who are they? They really messed up in BC when they were in power. Not likely.

I could not care less, the only illegal activity I participate in is piracy but the RCMP said they dont care/cant monitor it.

[QUOTE=Otsegolation;29074755]Meh, they can police the internet all they want for all I care. It's just the internet. Just you wait until they watch you every second of your life.[/QUOTE] so you only care that the government doesn't look at what you're doing so long as it's not every second? alright.. even figuratively that statement says the same thing.

I don't think I've heard one good thing about politics here recently.

[QUOTE=Mister Cool;29074056]So will this affect people who pirate/torrent?[/QUOTE] I suppose it could but to be honest they likely won't bother using it to go after many pirates. Perhaps just the guys that are the original source of hundreds of movies or something. Really depends on how copyright law evolves and whether or not the bill in the OP gets made into law first. (It likely won't without a majority government)

So much nutjobbery, it hurts :frown:

Monitor all data in realtime? Considering the sheer volume of data that flows across networks these days that's simply not physically possible. :colbert:

So what, the only people that would be worried are those who have something to hide [/sarcasm]

[QUOTE=Madman_Andre;29077839]Monitor all data in realtime? Considering the sheer volume of data that flows across networks these days that's simply not physically possible. :colbert:[/QUOTE] It would probably only be real time for whoever they are currently surveilling

[QUOTE=Armyis1337;29073964]Or rather, let's hope Conservatives don't get elected at all.[/QUOTE] You know they will.....Right? [editline]9th April 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Otsegolation;29074755]Meh, they can police the internet all they want for all I care. It's just the internet. Just you wait until they watch you every second of your life.[/QUOTE] :tinfoil:

The internet is its own entity, you can't police it like the real world. At least in my opinion.

[QUOTE=Bllasae;29079049]You know they will.....Right?[/QUOTE] Most likely a minority.

Not one damn party worth anything has stood up for the internet. For fuck's sake... FlakAttack for Prime Minister 2015 [QUOTE=Megafanx13;29079916]Most likely a minority.[/QUOTE] Well actually it's more like 50-50 minority/majority. The numbers show the Conservatives have a very large lead (and rightfully so, they've done more for us than the Liberals even tried to do). Sadly they have decided to take this stance like so many other countries. They will be hearing from me and my friends, that's for sure. I'd still rather see them in power than the Liberals, because at least the Conservatives have actually taken action against the CRTC and telecoms. The Liberals just sat back and watched as the CRTC let the telecoms get away with murder.

Last I checked NDP was against usage-based billing and internet monitoring.

[QUOTE=BANNED USER;29079446]The internet is its own entity, you can't police it like the real world. At least in my opinion.[/QUOTE] For some reason I think of Hitlers Secret Police googling to find jewish sites to ddos whenever someone posts this [editline]10th April 2011[/editline] How does the election system work in Canada

[QUOTE=FlakAttack;29079946] Well actually it's more like 50-50 minority/majority. The numbers show the Conservatives have a very large lead (and rightfully so, they've done more for us than the Liberals even tried to do).[/QUOTE] I remember an Ipsos poll showed them with a huge lead and then an EKOS poll that showed them way behind the liberals It's too early to call it yet [editline]9th April 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Atokniro;29080538] How does the election system work in Canada[/QUOTE] Elect a local MP Winner goes to parliament and gets a shiny chair Leader of the party with most seats becomes prime minister Majority government: winning party has more seats than all the others combined Minority government: winning party has the most seats but all the other ones combined have more

[QUOTE=Zeke129;29080626] Elect a local MP Winner goes to parliament and gets a shiny chair Leader of the party with most seats becomes prime minister Majority government: winning party has more seats than all the others combined Minority government: winning party has the most seats but all the other ones combined have more[/QUOTE] To add on, you need 155 seats in the house for a majority. As it stands on [url]http://www.electionalmanac.com[/url], the tories (Harper) are up for 146 seats, so it's hard to say at the moment. The tories pretty much control the voting population in BC and the prairies, while having tight races with the grits in Ontario and the Maritimes. Quebec is 40% bloc, and about 20% lib/tories each, so it's kind of close. :eng101:

There are conservatives in Canada?