Muslims March in London to Condemn DAESH, Get Mostly Ignored by Media - Polidicks

[img]http://i4.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article6976879.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/Hundreds-of-Muslims.jpg[/img] [url=http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/hundreds-muslims-marching-against-terrorism-6977099]source[/url] [quote]Hundreds of Muslims marched through central London at the weekend to call for peace and unity. Yet the organisers of the annual procession said not one single mainstream media outlet covered it because it was not "juicy" enough. It is is organised every year by the Husaini Islamic Trust UK and according to their website is the [b]‘largest annually organised Islamic event in Europe’[/b] On its website , organisers wrote they aimed for a "peaceful and successful procession and to cement a bond of unity and friendship between people of all ages and cultures under the banner of love for the Holy Household." Mohammed Al-Sharifi, a part-time activist and regular volunteer at The Husaini Trust told Unilad : "We can still apply the same principles today when we are terrorised by the likes of ISIS. The message applies now more than ever to current issues He said: [b]"I’ve never met anyone who is pro-ISIS, 99 per cent of Muslims just want to lead peaceful lives, you know, have a coffee with friends. This is the message we want to get out there."[/b][/quote]

but it doesn't suit the media's agenda to promote a fair image of muslims :downs:

So, out of all the muslims who live in the UK, only a few hundred protested, and only this one time. I have a feeling the media wasn't aware it happened, or it's too small to actually make any significant difference to the current situation.

[QUOTE=The fox;49278815]So, out of all the muslims who live in the UK, only a few hundred protested, and only this one time. I have a feeling the media wasn't aware it happened, or it's too small to actually make any significant difference to the current situation.[/QUOTE] [quote]It is is organised every year by the Husaini Islamic Trust UK and according to their website is the ‘largest annually organised Islamic event in Europe’[/quote]

[QUOTE=itisjuly;49278825][/QUOTE] My point still stands. A few hundred is not a big protest, protests around here who only garner a few hundred participants are rarely reported on. Infact, the fact that only a few hundred muslims out of the tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands who live in Europe protest against this, just furthers my point.

[QUOTE=The fox;49278837]My point still stands. A few hundred is not a big protest, protests around here who only garner a few hundred participants are rarely reported on. Infact, the fact that only a few hundred muslims out of the tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands who live in Europe protest against this, just furthers my point.[/QUOTE] So are you going to give us the exact number of people that need to be outside publicly claiming they don't like ISIS to fancy you? [editline]9th December 2015[/editline] Also, muslims have responsibilities too, you know, jobs and families and most likely they didn't know this was happening or they aren't even near the location of this protest.

Why should anyone get attention for condemning ISIS? Why is that not the default position? Is the bar set so low? If anyone was wondering, I think Hitler was a bad guy.

[QUOTE=Da Bomb76;49278923]Why should anyone get attention for condemning ISIS? Why is that not the default position? Is the bar set so low? If anyone was wondering, I think Hitler was a bad guy. Look at me, I'm practically a paragon.[/QUOTE] Because the media is trying as hard as it can to make it seem like that's NOT the default position of most muslims

[QUOTE=Gwoodman;49278886]So are you going to give us the exact number of people that need to be outside publicly claiming they don't like ISIS to fancy you? [editline]9th December 2015[/editline] Also, muslims have responsibilities too, you know, jobs and families and most likely they didn't know this was happening or they aren't even near the location of this protest.[/QUOTE] A majority, it is the exception rather than the rule that muslims I meet and read about on FB here condone ISIS. When you only have a few hundred out of hundreds of thousands care, best case they don't care about ISIS, worst case they support them. They have everything to gain they distance themselves from ISIS and religious extremism, but choose not to. EDIT: Infact, when looking whether OP was correct in his assessment that UK newspapers don't care about this, I stumbled upon things like this instead; [url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2944946/Thousands-British-Muslims-protest-against-Charlie-Hebdo-magazine-publishing-cartoons-Prophet-Mohammed.html[/url] [url]http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4590437/muslims-protest-london-google-hq.html[/url] [url]http://www.snopes.com/photos/politics/muslimprotest.asp[/url] I guess protesting against freedom of speech is more important than protesting against religious violence.

[QUOTE=RandomGamer342;49278932]Because the media is trying as hard as it can to make it seem like that's NOT the default position of most muslims[/QUOTE] Or maybe news outlets are reporting on rare events more than uninteresting banalities. Just like they do for every other situation. There's not a constant outflow of stories about how firemen successfully extinguished a dumpster or a plumber unclogged a sink.

Muslims don't need to say they're sorry for the actions of other muslims. These guys haven't done anything wrong, as an individual they are innocent. They are not a hive mind. That said, what people perceive as reality is different so maybe they do have something to gain from actively opposing ISIS... but then again, they're individuals who have nothing to do with it, just like me.

[QUOTE=The fox;49278948]A majority, it is the exception rather than the rule that muslims I meet and read about on FB here condone ISIS. When you only have a few hundred out of hundreds of thousands care, best case they don't care about ISIS, worst case they support them. They have everything to gain they distance themselves from ISIS and religious extremism, but choose not to.[/QUOTE] They do though, by living a normal life like every other sane person, which ultimately distances themselves from extremism.

[QUOTE=Da Bomb76;49278955]Or maybe news outlets are reporting on rare events more than uninteresting banalities. Just like they do for every other situation. There's not a constant outflow of stories about how firemen successfully extinguished a dumpster or a plumber unclogged a sink.[/QUOTE] Thing is this isn't an "uninteresting banality". You constantly see a story perpetrated on the media about how all Muslims love ISIS and we should ban them because they do, but this protest spits in the face of all that.

[QUOTE=RandomGamer342;49278932]Because the media is trying as hard as it can to make it seem like that's NOT the default position of most muslims[/QUOTE] That's a little surprising. Over here in Germany there's more differentiation, so the media usually reports quite normally about Muslim communities condemning attacks and specifies the factions when talking about who actually does support terrorism. (I'm pretty sure that the most prominent group in that regard are currently Salafis, who often make the headlines by preaching hate speech and with violent incidents.)

[QUOTE=TornadoAP;49278997]Thing is this isn't an "uninteresting banality". You constantly see a story perpetrated on the media about how all Muslims love ISIS and we should ban them because they do, but this protest spits in the face of all that.[/QUOTE] So the alternative is that media outlets have collectively entered into a conspiracy to defame all Muslims as being pro-ISIS or something. Even though the OP somehow found the article from a popular news source? And other popular outlets have also reported on it. No, the answer must be that a conspiracy is afoot because there hasn't been constant, wall-to-wall coverage of a minor peace march (which absolutely qualifies as a banality especially now, in a European capital) the message of which is that "we don't like savage killers." It's really a marvel that such a daring and inspired message hasn't piqued the keen interest of every single newspaper on the planet.

I really think if perhaps the media more often tried to encourage people to do the right thing by highlighting things like this, maybe it would help problems. It might be relatively small in the grand scale of things, but maybe if this was covered someone might just think, "That's cool, I want to be a part of that".

[QUOTE=The fox;49278948] EDIT: Infact, when looking whether OP was correct in his assessment that UK newspapers don't care about this, I stumbled upon things like this instead; [url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2944946/Thousands-British-Muslims-protest-against-Charlie-Hebdo-magazine-publishing-cartoons-Prophet-Mohammed.html[/url] [url]http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4590437/muslims-protest-london-google-hq.html[/url] [url]http://www.snopes.com/photos/politics/muslimprotest.asp[/url] I guess protesting against freedom of speech is more important than protesting against religious violence.[/QUOTE] but there were only a little over a thousand people protesting there so by your logic that means that actually most muslims disagree with this protest, otherwise they'd be protesting too

[QUOTE=Da Bomb76;49279063]So the alternative is that media outlets have collectively entered into a conspiracy to defame all Muslims as being pro-ISIS or something. Even though the OP somehow found the article from a popular news source? And other popular outlets have also reported on it. No, the answer must be that a conspiracy is afoot because there hasn't been constant, wall-to-wall coverage of a minor peace march (which absolutely qualifies as a banality especially now, in a European capital) the message of which is that "we don't like savage killers." It's really a marvel that such a daring and inspired message hasn't piqued the keen interest of every single newspaper on the planet.[/QUOTE] Jesus Christ the strawman has never been bigger has it? I never said there was a conspiracy or anything, it's just that a good number of media outlets love to demonize Muslims as being a bunch of violent freaks, which is just not fucking true.

[QUOTE=bananarBanana;49279091]but there were only a little over a thousand people protesting there so by your logic that means that actually most muslims disagree with this protest, otherwise they'd be protesting too[/QUOTE] Most students didn't openly protest tuition fees going up .'. they we're supportive of the tuition fee rise []

[QUOTE=TornadoAP;49279120]media outlets love to demonize Muslims as being a bunch of violent freaks, which is just not fucking true.[/QUOTE] Seems like a fair portrait of Muslims that join ISIS or live in countries that condone the killing of homosexuals/apostates through stoning.

[QUOTE=Da Bomb76;49278923]Why should anyone get attention for condemning ISIS? Why is that not the default position? Is the bar set so low? If anyone was wondering, I think Hitler was a bad guy.[/QUOTE] and then they don't do this and people start going "Waaah why don't muslims do more to distance themselves from the ultra-conservatives and extremists!!!!!" from now on until the end of time, i will post this thread whenever anyone complains about muslims not doing enough or some shit, and they can read the replies and learn why

What sect are they?

[QUOTE=bananarBanana;49279091]but there were only a little over a thousand people protesting there so by your logic that means that actually most muslims disagree with this protest, otherwise they'd be protesting too[/QUOTE] Tens of thousands vs 300 at most. I was merely stating preaching hatred, death and that human rights shouldn't apply seems more important than engaging in protesting religious extremism.

[QUOTE=Jame's;49279354]What sect are they?[/QUOTE] Sect is pretty irrelevant in UK I think. A friend of mine is Wahhabi, hes against violence, saying any killing is an insult to allah and supports women as equals to men. Its about bad preachers with malicious interpretations.

[QUOTE=The fox;49278948]A majority, it is the exception rather than the rule that muslims I meet and read about on FB here condone ISIS. When you only have a few hundred out of hundreds of thousands care, best case they don't care about ISIS, worst case they support them. They have everything to gain they distance themselves from ISIS and religious extremism, but choose not to. [/QUOTE] This is a lovely anecdote.

[QUOTE=The fox;49279368]Tens of thousands vs 300 at most. I was merely stating preaching hatred, death and that human rights shouldn't apply seems more important than engaging in protesting religious extremism.[/QUOTE] [quote][B]An estimated 500 to 700[/B] demonstrators marched from Regent's Park Mosque to the Danish embassy in Knightsbridge during the protest. [/quote] [quote]as [B]more than 1,000 Muslims[/B] demonstrated in London against ‘offensive’ caricatures of the prophet.[/quote] and then in the one that does have over 10,000 involved (and for what it's worth, the sun isn't exactly a reputable source and googling the headline gave me [URL="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-19941886"]this[/URL] article, 3,500 isn't exactly tens of thousands), its about taking down a film that insults their religion, not "preaching hatred, death and that human rights shouldn't apply" lol why should muslims have to turn around and say "I don't support ISIS", anyway? Should we be expecting all christians to say "I don't support the KKK"?

[QUOTE=bananarBanana;49279400]and then in the one that does have over 10,000 involved, its about taking down a film that insults their religion, not "preaching hatred, death and that human rights shouldn't apply" lol why should muslims have to turn around and say "I don't support ISIS", anyway? Should we be expecting all christians to say "I don't support the KKK"?[/QUOTE] yes because y'know many diehard christians do adhere to that dangerous style of thinking, having come from the baby boomer age.

[QUOTE=bananarBanana;49279400] why should muslims have to turn around and say "I don't support ISIS", anyway? Should we be expecting all christians to say "I don't support the KKK"?[/QUOTE] I wasn't aware US things were related to discussing extremism in Europe? And you do know the KKK hasn't actually done a single terrorist act in quite a while, right?

[QUOTE=The fox;49279368]Tens of thousands vs 300 at most. I was merely stating preaching hatred, death and that human rights shouldn't apply seems more important than engaging in protesting religious extremism.[/QUOTE] Does your logic apply to every other thing ever? I also don't see you with them, do you either "best case don't care about ISIS, worst case support them"

[QUOTE=The fox;49279449]I wasn't aware US things were related to discussing extremism in Europe? And you do know the KKK hasn't actually done a single terrorist act in quite a while, right?[/QUOTE] Let's make it a bit more relevant then, does every pro-lifer have to come out and condemn the planned parenthood attack?