You better not run out of battery or lose/damage your phone.
I'm not relying on a magnet to keep my door closed.
Uh the current way of using doors has done us just fine for thousands of years but thanks anyways.
[QUOTE=calebc789;47243755]Uh the current way of using doors has done us just fine for thousands of years but thanks anyways.[/QUOTE]
Phone operated doors are a great idea. There's nothing bad about making things more convenient; your anti-tech argument is just dumb.
But vorty is doing it wrong. You need to plan homes to be built with moddable motor hardware (not magnets) for it to really take off.
[QUOTE=bitches;47243746]I'm not relying on a magnet to keep my door closed.[/QUOTE]
I dunno man, the estate I used to live on in london had magnetically locked doors to enter the upper floors of some of the apartments and they where no joke. Countless times they stopped rather angry people from kicking them open or ramming them. Hell teens we thought it was a fun idea to try and open them by any means necessary just for kicks, needless to say it never worked.
[QUOTE=MadBomber;47243952]I dunno man, the estate I used to live on in london had magnetically locked doors to enter the upper floors of some of the apartments and they where no joke. Countless times they stopped rather angry people from kicking them open or ramming them. Hell teens we thought it was a fun idea to try and open them by any means necessary just for kicks, needless to say it never worked.[/QUOTE]What happens when power goes out?
Know everyone hopes it's the future, but not with your phone.
Losing/Having to charge/Damage/Magnets =/= saftey for me. Even if it's just the thought.
Seems like a big risk, just not Vortyt.
honestly i don't think regular doors will ever go out of style, except on spaceships and things like that
I may be being extremely stupid here, but surely magnetic door locks are electro magnets. What happens if the power goes out, door the electro magnets "disengage"?
[QUOTE=JakeAM;47244235]I may be being extremely stupid here, but surely magnetic door locks are electro magnets. What happens if the power goes out, door the electro magnets "disengage"?[/QUOTE]
Likely there is a secondary mechanical lock that locks the door until power is restored
[QUOTE=WhyNott;47244477]Likely there is a secondary mechanical lock that locks the door until power is restored[/QUOTE]
If so, why even have a magnetic one then?
[QUOTE=JakeAM;47244235]I may be being extremely stupid here, but surely magnetic door locks are electro magnets. What happens if the power goes out, door the electro magnets "disengage"?[/QUOTE]
some fail safe, some fail secure
fail safes unlock, fail secures hardlock until power comes back on (you cannot open a failsecure in fail mode)
[QUOTE=LordCrypto;47244555]some fail safe, some fail secure
fail safes unlock, fail secures hardlock until power comes back on (you cannot open a failsecure in fail mode)[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=itisjuly;47244537]If so, why even have a magnetic one then?[/QUOTE]
I'll stick with fingerprint scanner + keys
The scanner makes it more convenient but you're not fucked if something goes wrong.
[QUOTE=proch;47245000]I'll stick with fingerprint scanner + keys
The scanner makes it more convenient but you're not fucked if something goes wrong.[/QUOTE]
the kind of biometric you leave everywhere you go is a pretty shitty one
[QUOTE=bitches;47243795]Phone operated doors are a great idea. There's nothing bad about making things more convenient; your anti-tech argument is just dumb.
But vorty is doing it wrong. You need to plan homes to be built with moddable motor hardware (not magnets) for it to really take off.[/QUOTE]
This is less secure than an actual key though (like what if someone is sniffing your traffic when you broadcast the key to the receiver?). Not to mention it's more prone to failure, which would be a pretty shitty situation to be in.
And while I see how it's convenient for a garage door, it seems a bit useless when you're on foot. Instead of having to get your key out you have to get your phone out; not a massive difference.
[QUOTE=LordCrypto;47244555]some fail safe, some fail secure
fail safes unlock, fail secures hardlock until power comes back on (you cannot open a failsecure in fail mode)[/QUOTE]
looks like a plain electromagnetic lock to me (also "no moving parts"), the point is they're literally impossible to be fail-secure, as it's literally an electromagnet which requires power to generate the locking force (which is a hell of a force; witholding loss of power you'd probably break the door in other places before it gives up) -- no power, no locking (and even a battery means its still fail-safe)
fail-safe isn't inherently a bad thing, but for (home and otherwise) security stuff, yeah no
[QUOTE=LordCrypto;47245028]the kind of biometric you leave everywhere you go is a pretty shitty one[/QUOTE]
"locks only stop honest people"
This guy would be better: [url]http://www.adafruit.com/products/1512[/url]
Locks when the power goes out however, but that can be seen as a positive(normal circumstances it would have a backup power supply)
And this can be very secure if it uses something like RSA
[QUOTE=itisjuly;47243971]What happens when power goes out?[/QUOTE]
The ones on site had a backup capacitor that would keep them good for about 24hours
It'd be better if it somehow detected how far your phone from the door, then you could have a normal lock, and use Vorty to open the door for you hands-free. That'd be great for loading/unloading a car, or anything that be slowed down by having to open and shut a door.
Or if they made a fail-secure version that could be overridden by a key. Because as it is, a fail-secure one would mean that you're locked in or outside of your house in the event of a failure.
Magnet doors are pretty dam strong, but certainly needs a solenoid to mechanically lock it.
[QUOTE=MadBomber;47243952]I dunno man, the estate I used to live on in london had magnetically locked doors to enter the upper floors of some of the apartments and they where no joke. Countless times they stopped rather angry people from kicking them open or ramming them. Hell teens we thought it was a fun idea to try and open them by any means necessary just for kicks, needless to say it never worked.[/QUOTE]
The doors used in mental wards in hospitals are magnetically locked and are almost impossible to open.
[QUOTE=bitches;47243795]Phone operated doors are a great idea. There's nothing bad about making things more convenient; your anti-tech argument is just dumb.
But vorty is doing it wrong. You need to plan homes to be built with moddable motor hardware (not magnets) for it to really take off.[/QUOTE]
up until someone uses your phone to break into your house / uses a hacked version of the program
[QUOTE=J!NX;47247816]up until someone uses your phone to break into your house / uses a hacked version of the program[/QUOTE]
if it were that simple maybe yes it would be a problem but unless they're absolutely stupid it won't be that simple.
if someone wanted to break into your house they coud just force entry.
[QUOTE=bitches;47243795]Phone operated doors are a great idea. There's nothing bad about making things more convenient; your anti-tech argument is just dumb.
But vorty is doing it wrong. You need to plan homes to be built with moddable motor hardware (not magnets) for it to really take off.[/QUOTE]
you have a great sense of humor
Bluetooth is probably the worst protocol to use to control the door. It's such a hassle to even keep devices connected, I wouldn't want to have to pair my phone every time I go more than 30 feet away from my front door.
[QUOTE=Map in a box;47247905]if it were that simple maybe yes it would be a problem but unless they're absolutely stupid it won't be that simple.
if someone wanted to break into your house they coud just force entry.[/QUOTE]
missing the point
whose to say someone can't find an exploit that could unlock any door?
the entire thing looks pretty dumb though tbh. All that extra work of pressing multiple menus VS simply taking a key out and unlocking it
[editline]3rd March 2015[/editline]
hell, couldn't someone just disconnect the power to your house and basically unlock the entire building?
[QUOTE=J!NX;47248013]missing the point
whose to say someone can't find an exploit that could unlock any door?
the entire thing looks pretty dumb though tbh. All that extra work of pressing multiple menus VS simply taking a key out and unlocking it
[editline]3rd March 2015[/editline]
hell, couldn't someone just disconnect the power to your house and basically unlock the entire building?[/QUOTE]
Well you dont just find exploits for things like key exchange algos like rsa
After 24hrs and with a pair of bolt clkppers hoping for the best to not alarm the electrical company sure.
[editline]3rd March 2015[/editline]
The convenience of it however is extremely debatable. NFC would be _much_ more convenient.
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