• Teenagers in southern Nevada interested in "legalizing marijuana and putting cameras on cops"
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[url]http://m.lvsun.com/news/2014/dec/31/teens-legalize-marijuana-put-cameras-officers/[/url] [QUOTE]During the Sun Youth Forum, students gathered at the Las Vegas Convention Center to discuss the most current and controversial topics, ranging from local to global. The spectrum of discussion included topics such as Around the World, Teen Topics, and Law and Crime. In one of the rooms dedicated to Law and Crime, issues including the legalization of marijuana and the use of body cameras for police officers were notable topics that sparked passionate debate.[/QUOTE]
Kinda can't wait for more recent generations are gonna start taking power in governments, chance to completely change the world.
its not awful get these old fuckers out
Yeah I was gonna say I know it's kinda awful but I wish all these coffin dodgers would stop dodging coffins but I thought nah that's a bit harsh, there's lots of cool old folks out there.
[QUOTE=bravehat;46830200]I know it's awful, but I kinda can't wait for more recent generations are gonna start taking power in governments, chance to completely change the world.[/QUOTE] This happens every generation, but every generation definitely thinks differently as they age The hippies of the 60s ARE the baby boomer generation
We will all think differently as we age, even now at 27 I am definitely more moderate than I was at 21 or 22
[QUOTE=Glitchman;46830257]We will all think differently as we age, even now at 27 I am definitely more moderate than I was at 21 or 22[/QUOTE] actually, some studies suggest that although older people are more conservative than young people of today, they themselves are more liberal than they were when they were younger. [url]http://www.livescience.com/2360-busting-myth-people-turn-liberal-age.html[/url] maybe the real trend is toward moderation as opposed to extremism, instead of simply one side of the spectrum to another.
As good an idea as putting body cameras on cops sounds on paper, it won't solve anything until they remove the ability to turn them off while on duty. Legalizing cannabis is just a no-brainer, though.
[QUOTE=bravehat;46830200]Kinda can't wait for more recent generations are gonna start taking power in governments, chance to completely change the world.[/QUOTE] Nope, the ones of each generation who take power are usually like-minded to the old sods who everyone bitched about when they were young. Maybe a [I]tiny[/I] bit more progressive, but not enough to make a real difference.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;46830653]a cop turning off their body camera would be pretty damned suspicious and would probably get them in deep shit[/QUOTE] Even if that were the case what point is there in allowing them to turn it off? It's just more potentially destroyed evidence and a bigger headache for prosecutors. It's best for everyone involved that the cameras stay on for the entire time they're on duty until the footage is uploaded at the station. There have already been numerous cases of police using this function to their advantage, most of whom have not been charged and never will: [url]http://www.fox8live.com/story/26283883/officer-involved-in-monday-shooting-had-body-cam-turned-off[/url] [url]http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/utah-wash-cops-failed-turn-body-cameras-article-1.2012400[/url] [url]http://www.clickorlando.com/news/daytona-beach-police-officer-fired-after-body-camera-turned-off-during-arrest/25982532/[/url] [url]http://dailycaller.com/2014/12/29/cop-kills-purple-heart-recipient-didnt-turn-on-body-camera/[/url] EDIT: Realized I accidentally posted a blog about the same incident I had already posted a link to. I replaced the link with another incident of an officer turning off his body camera during an arrest. They were fired in this rare case but I fail to see how that's an acceptable response to basically assaulting a woman and destroying the evidence.
[QUOTE=mugofdoom;46830686]Even if that were the case what point is there in allowing them to turn it off? It's just more potentially destroyed evidence and a bigger headache for prosecutors. It's best for everyone involved that the cameras stay on for the entire time they're on duty until the footage is uploaded at the station. There have already been numerous cases of police using this function to their advantage, most of whom have not been charged and never will: [url]http://www.fox8live.com/story/26283883/officer-involved-in-monday-shooting-had-body-cam-turned-off[/url] [url]http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/utah-wash-cops-failed-turn-body-cameras-article-1.2012400[/url] [url]http://jonathanturley.org/2014/08/19/new-orleans-police-officer-turns-off-body-camera-minutes-before-shooting-suspect-in-forehead/[/url] [url]http://dailycaller.com/2014/12/29/cop-kills-purple-heart-recipient-didnt-turn-on-body-camera/[/url][/QUOTE] should be a fireable offence.
Well good It's inevitable that marijuana will become legal here in Nevada, because adding marijuana to gambling and tourism could mean a lot of money for the city and state Cameras being put on police is also a very good thing
Cameras are a good start, but the good old blue shield will always find a way to sweep bad cops under the rug simply to save face instead of taking responsibility.
[QUOTE=bravehat;46830200]Kinda can't wait for more recent generations are gonna start taking power in governments, chance to completely change the world.[/QUOTE] Every generation said "I can't wait to get those old fuckers out of here and start changing things", yet the status quo continues. Besides, I don't see this generation putting down their damn phones long enough to do any actual governing.
[QUOTE=mugofdoom;46830645]As good an idea as putting body cameras on cops sounds on paper, it won't solve anything until they remove the ability to turn them off while on duty. Legalizing cannabis is just a no-brainer, though.[/QUOTE] The problem with this is, where are you going to store all of that recorded footage? Higher quality video eats up more space, and even with hard drives and the like as cheap as they are now, you'd still end up paying a fortune to record the activities of multiple cops. You also need that crap archived in case its needed further down the road. I do agree with you about legalizing cannabis though. For fucks sake, look at colorado and all the money they are currently enjoying.
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;46831181]Every generation said "I can't wait to get those old fuckers out of here and start changing things", yet the status quo continues. Besides, I don't see this generation putting down their damn phones long enough to do any actual governing.[/QUOTE] You realize the OP is specifically about the youth in our country "putting down their phones" and talking about our country's (and global) problems right? Also in the last 100 years we've had, Women's suffrage, gotten rid of Jim Crow laws, established social security, minimum wage and outlawed child labour. I know what you're upset about, the patriot act and all the hurtful legislation passed after it, but dismissing all the progress we've made because we took a step back in the last 10 years is more than a little cynical.
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;46831181]Every generation said "I can't wait to get those old fuckers out of here and start changing things", yet the status quo continues. Besides, I don't see this generation putting down their damn phones long enough to do any actual governing.[/QUOTE] The status quo continues??? QUICK! I MUST TELL THE KING!
[QUOTE=mugofdoom;46830645]As good an idea as putting body cameras on cops sounds on paper, it won't solve anything until they remove the ability to turn them off while on duty. Legalizing cannabis is just a no-brainer, though.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=RichyZ;46830653]a cop turning off their body camera would be pretty damned suspicious and would probably get them in deep shit[/QUOTE] On the other hand, the Garner case was all caught on film and meant jack shit in the end, so I'm cautiously optimistic about cop-cams.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;46831294]currently the most popular storage is a private cloud based solution iirc[/QUOTE]And then the cloud gets hacked and suddenly thousand's of people's worst private moments are on the internet for the world to see. I wouldn't trust the footage in a secure on-site storage let alone cloud based. At least not until harsh legislation is put in place regarding who can access the footage and for what reason, limiting it only to relevant investigations and trials.
[QUOTE=Solo Wing;46831268]The problem with this is, where are you going to store all of that recorded footage? Higher quality video eats up more space, and even with hard drives and the like as cheap as they are now, you'd still end up paying a fortune to record the activities of multiple cops. You also need that crap archived in case its needed further down the road.[/QUOTE] Let's assume that like any other job, your average cop works a 40 hour work week. That's 8 hours a day, 5 days a week. 480i footage should be perfectly sufficient for a body-cam, and would be much more storage-efficient than recording in high res. Using a few episodes of Mythbusters for reference, ~44 minutes of live-action H.264 footage in 480i can be around ~500MB. Extrapolate for 8 hours, and you get about ~5.5GB. An 8GB MicroSD card costs around $8.00 and would have more than enough storage space to record an officer's entire shift. It could then be backed up to a department drive at the end of an officer's shift. As for archiving the footage in the long-term, I'd imagine that the majority of it would be boring inconsequential bullshit. It would probably make the most sense to store around a week to a month of footage for each officer, and then take requests to pull certain footage for long-term archival when it's needed. This is just speculation on my part, feel free to poke holes in this.
[QUOTE=C0linSSX;46832804]Let's assume that like any other job, your average cop works a 40 hour work week. That's 8 hours a day, 5 days a week. 480i footage should be perfectly sufficient for a body-cam, and would be much more storage-efficient than recording in high res. Using a few episodes of Mythbusters for reference, ~44 minutes of live-action H.264 footage in 480i can be around ~500MB. Extrapolate for 8 hours, and you get about ~5.5GB. An 8GB MicroSD card costs around $8.00 and would have more than enough storage space to record an officer's entire shift. It could then be backed up to a department drive at the end of an officer's shift. As for archiving the footage in the long-term, I'd imagine that the majority of it would be boring inconsequential bullshit. It would probably make the most sense to store around a week to a month of footage for each officer, and then take requests to pull certain footage for long-term archival when it's needed. This is just speculation on my part, feel free to poke holes in this.[/QUOTE] and will you also be upgrading the equipment necessary to manage the recordings and cameras? who will be paying on a local, state, and federal level? body cams cost around ~$300 per camera, and many local departments still file records on paper.
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;46831181]Every generation said "I can't wait to get those old fuckers out of here and start changing things", yet the status quo continues. Besides, I don't see this generation putting down their damn phones long enough to do any actual governing.[/QUOTE] Do you actually believe the entire generation is like that or are you attempting to make a joke? You can say far worse shit about the baby boomer generation than any other generation, I think.
Gen X has been in politics for a while now and there's no sign that they're doing any better.
[QUOTE=mugofdoom;46830645]As good an idea as putting body cameras on cops sounds on paper, it won't solve anything until they remove the ability to turn them off while on duty. Legalizing cannabis is just a no-brainer, though.[/QUOTE] Turn your camera off, get fired. No more cops turning their cameras off suspiciously.
At my local department, and from what I heard many others, the cameras work by the officer clicking a button to turn it on and then turning it off after the case. If the officer doesn't turn it on, then his word is immediately invalid in court unless he has further proof.
[QUOTE=bravehat;46830200]Kinda can't wait for more recent generations are gonna start taking power in governments, chance to completely change the world.[/QUOTE] No ones gonna change the world. Those old people we hate so much? They were young like us back in the 60s when they had all that sex, drugs, and music revolution. They were people disinchanted by the government, cynical from Vietnam and Watergate. Well guess what, they turned into old assholes that perpetuate the greed/corruption paradigm. No one wants to end up like their parents, but most do. When the article said "teens" and "marijuana legalization" I can't help but think they're just a bunch of stoners. Also cameras on cops sounds more like a kneejerk reaction to that black kid whot got shot in Ferguson, Missouri.
We shouldn't listen to teenagers. Actually, the fact that teenagers agree only discredits the whole argument.
[QUOTE=cqbcat;46836197] When the article said "teens" and "marijuana legalization" I can't help but think they're just a bunch of stoners. Also cameras on cops sounds more like a kneejerk reaction to that black kid whot got shot in Ferguson, Missouri.[/QUOTE] Teens and marijuana legalization? What's wrong with those terms? And cameras on cops has been preached by the citizens for for years now. There are several ambiguous cases every year of citizens who are killed by police and it's usually the cops word vs a dead mans. It's just a temporary solution to a nasty problem.
I agree teenagers can be little pieces of shit and most of the time I can't even stand being around them due to them saying "word" or "real talk" every time they begin a sentence. However the kind of teenagers that educate themselves about current events and specifically go to forums to share, and debate ideas are pretty awesome and writing them all off as "stoners" simply because of their age is one of the dumbest things I've seen someone say on this forum sincerely.
Current politics are abysmal. We really need some type of change. If you disagree, look at the two government shutdowns, corrupt as fuck politicians accepting bribes, the influx of ridiculous laws being passed, net neutrality even being considered, and everyone just bitching at each other like little children.
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