So I made a thread here the other week because of problems I had after upgrading my GPU, specifically that games were stuttering and audio was popping in and out. I later found out that my HDD would be sitting at 100% usage during these issues, and that moving the games onto my SSD completely removed the issue. The loading times for the games on my HDD are super slow as well (much slower than they were before my GPU upgrade).
However, I'm now faced with the problem of having no idea whats actually wrong - I don't know if my HDD is faulty, or if its something else like RAM maybe. My HDD was 21% fragmented, I've reduced it down to about 8%, and while I'll still continue to defrag it, this has made no difference at all, so I am inclined to believe this isn't the issue.
My RAM usage goes to about 80-85%, I'm not sure if these are bad levels or anything, and as much as I'd like to think this is just a simple case of needing to upgrade RAM (I have 8GB), I can't help but think I'd still get the issue on my SSD if RAM was causing it.
A few times I've noticed my HDD usage go to 100% even when I'm not in games, just when I'm idle, but I don't know if that's normal.
I never had this issue prior to upgrading my GPU, but I'm not sure if this means my GPU is faulty (I don't think it is), since again, everything is 100% fine if I put it on my SSD.
I ran a CrystalDiskMark benchmark and this is what it said (I have literally no idea what any of this means btw so if someone can let me know if its good or bad that would be lovely).
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/WnzD7Iw.png[/IMG]
Specs:
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/BqMGJZE.png[/IMG]
(My PSU is an 850W CoolerMaster)
Ever since Windows 10 I noticed the same issue. It insanely hurt my performance in my laptop and in my desktop. I noticed that turning off Superfetch in the services menu was very helpful in stopping it, but that's all I know.
Doesn't matter what percent is fragmented, if the files you're trying to access are the fragmented ones it's going to be slow, and games usually are highly fragmented and the last to be defragged due to commonly being large single files. If the game is what's being read and not a pagefile or something, that's the issue. You can check what files are fragmented in defagglers file list
[QUOTE=Shadaez;50638612]Doesn't matter what percent is fragmented, if the files you're trying to access are the fragmented ones it's going to be slow, and games usually are highly fragmented and the last to be defragged due to commonly being large single files. If the game is what's being read and not a pagefile or something, that's the issue. You can check what files are fragmented in defagglers file list[/QUOTE]
righto, I've got defraggler just defragging one of the games I get the issue in, I'll see if that does anything. I just don't get how an upgrade managed to suddenly make this a noticeable problem.
[editline]3rd July 2016[/editline]
actually, one of the games I got the issue on I'd only just installed so fragmentation couldn't have been an issue there, but it started working when I moved it to the ssd.
What's using the disk? Check resource manager, Windows likes to freak the fuck out at any hint you may be using all your RAM and you don't have that much.
[QUOTE=Shadaez;50638778]What's using the disk? Check resource manager, Windows likes to freak the fuck out at any hint you may be using all your RAM and you don't have that much.[/QUOTE]
it crashed before I could actually get in-game, but the longer than usual loading times can probs be used for the same purposes
(the disk 1 says 0% under it just because it crashed basically the second before i took the pic, it was 100% earlier, also my mem was quite high, idk if thats above safe though)
[t]http://i.imgur.com/Od3Vdy0.png[/t]
As I said, I have 8gb RAM, idk if that's whats holding me back, but I don't get how its totally fine if I play something on my SSD.
something to do with the pagefile potentially???
[QUOTE=Hamsteronfire;50638892]something to do with the pagefile potentially???[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure, my page file is on my C drive, the SSD, which I thought would mean it isn't stressing my HDD over it.
Just Cause 3 has massive memory leaks and so that playing on a computer with less than 16 gigabytes is not enough from what I heard.
It's pagefiling because of the shitty PC port.
[QUOTE=FalconKrunch;50639223]Just Cause 3 has massive memory leaks and so that playing on a computer with less than 16 gigabytes is not enough from what I heard.
It's pagefiling because of the shitty PC port.[/QUOTE]
It wasn't just JC3 that was getting the issue, its just the only other game I have installed on my HDD atm that had it quite bad. It was the worst in Hitman, but Witcher 3 had it quite badly as well, both run like a dream after putting them on my SSD though, and I'm sure JC3 would be the same, it used to run fine before this started happening.
[QUOTE=Marzipas;50639264]It wasn't just JC3 that was getting the issue, its just the only other game I have installed on my HDD atm that had it quite bad. It was the worst in Hitman, but Witcher 3 had it quite badly as well, both run like a dream after putting them on my SSD though, and I'm sure JC3 would be the same, it used to run fine before this started happening.[/QUOTE]
Oh right, I remember the other thread now.
I still recommend doing a SMART test and posting the results, those hard drive speed readings aren't normal for a 2TB, 7200RPM drive.
Looking at newegg, there seem to be a lot of reliability issues with the drive as well.
[QUOTE=FalconKrunch;50639659]Oh right, I remember the other thread now.
I still recommend doing a SMART test and posting the results, those hard drive speed readings aren't normal for a 2TB, 7200RPM drive.
Looking at newegg, there seem to be a lot of reliability issues with the drive as well.[/QUOTE]
I did a SMART test and it was fine, but I'm currently running a long generic test using the seagate tools so I'll see what that says
I had a similar issue with Win7 to Win 10 upgraded computer and what I did (and what fixed it) was:
Settings > System > Notifications & actions > Turn off "Show me tips about Windows"
[QUOTE=FalconKrunch;50639659]Oh right, I remember the other thread now.
I still recommend doing a SMART test and posting the results, those hard drive speed readings aren't normal for a 2TB, 7200RPM drive.
Looking at newegg, there seem to be a lot of reliability issues with the drive as well.[/QUOTE]
Does this shed any light on anything? I know absolutely nothing about HDD's so idk what I should be looking for. What was wrong with the speeds that makes them bad anyway? What kind of speeds should I have been expecting?
[img]http://i.imgur.com/RkovjUQ.png[/img]
SMART data is the hard disks own monitoring software, the values differ from drive to drive.
It's weird that it's reporting that the drive is good because you should be expecting read speeds in excess of 100MB/s.
[QUOTE=FalconKrunch;50640000]SMART data is the hard disks own monitoring software, the values differ from drive to drive.
It's weird that it's reporting that the drive is good because you should be expecting read speeds in excess of 100MB/s.[/QUOTE]
So does that mean something else could be causing the problem? I mean all this only started happening after I upgraded my GPU but I just don't understand how that could affect just the HDD, and how stuff on the SSD is totally fine. Memory couldn't bottleneck a HDD benchmark either surely?
You didn't by chance bump the drive at all when installing your new video card, did you? Read speeds as low as what you're reporting make me think that your drive has suffered some sort of physical damage and is on the way out, but I'm not 100% sure of that. Maybe try plugging it in to a different SATA port on your motherboard and see if the problem persists?
[QUOTE=MrWhite;50640297]You didn't by chance bump the drive at all when installing your new video card, did you? Read speeds as low as what you're reporting make me think that your drive has suffered some sort of physical damage and is on the way out, but I'm not 100% sure of that. Maybe try plugging it in to a different SATA port on your motherboard and see if the problem persists?[/QUOTE]
I don't think I bumped it or anything. One thing that crossed my mind was maybe I buggered it with static or something, but the drive is at a spot in my pc that it's quite out the way from everything else. I'm probably going to get a new HDD in the next day or so, but I'll make sure to try a different plug before that and see if anything changes.
[editline]3rd July 2016[/editline]
righto, tomorrow I'm going to put it into the marvell port in my mb (think its just in a regular old one according to my bios), if that doesn't work I'll just consider it dead and get a new one.
Ok I need some advice quickly, it's going to be a bit of a finnicky job plugging my hdd into what i assume is the marvell port because the gpu kind of covers it up and it was a nightmare fitting my gpu in and i'd rather not have to take it out again so
is there going to be some huge noticeable difference between a sata 3 plug and a marvell one? I legit know nothing about any of this so if there isn't I'll just consider this hdd dead and get a new one, probs a WD Black like I should have done in the first place.
[QUOTE=Marzipas;50644629]Ok I need some advice quickly, it's going to be a bit of a finnicky job plugging my hdd into what i assume is the marvell port because the gpu kind of covers it up and it was a nightmare fitting my gpu in and i'd rather not have to take it out again so
is there going to be some huge noticeable difference between a sata 3 plug and a marvell one? I legit know nothing about any of this so if there isn't I'll just consider this hdd dead and get a new one, probs a WD Black like I should have done in the first place.[/QUOTE]
SATA 2 and 3 are currently the standard for HDD's and SSD's. Just be sure to put SSD's in a SATA 3 port since they can actually use the increase in bandwidth.
If the controller is bad then there might be a huge difference.
I know that my motherboard has 2 different controllers, one on-board one that's part of the chipset(p67), and another by marvell that increases my boot times by 10 seconds because it has to initialise before the motherboard can POST.
Try a different SATA cable.
I've had the same issue several times and it has always been resolved by switching out the SATA cable; defragging has never made a difference.
I had 100 percent in Hitman
For a desktop harddrive that is terribly slow. You should be in the excess of 100MB/s.
Right, I plugged the HDD into a different port (dont think it was the marvell one) and ended up somehow getting even worse performance (I think I must have put it into a lower-performance port or something), I put it back into the one it was normally in and performance went back to how it was (still shit though, it didn't fixed it).
Earlier I changed the cable, I feel like it went worse again, cant even use the benchmark utility, so I put the old cable back in and its still the same, I'm barely doing anything atm but the usage is constantly at 100% while I get read speeds of like 100kb/s
[t]http://i.imgur.com/mSexQtW.png[/t]
so is this the final nail then? should I just replace it? Obviously somethings wrong but idk, I know nothing about computers but im just worried I'll get a new HDD and it'll still somehow be fucked, idk why though, my SSD is still performing like a dream.
[QUOTE=Marzipas;50651789]Right, I plugged the HDD into a different port (dont think it was the marvell one) and ended up somehow getting even worse performance (I think I must have put it into a lower-performance port or something), I put it back into the one it was normally in and performance went back to how it was (still shit though, it didn't fixed it).
Earlier I changed the cable, I feel like it went worse again, cant even use the benchmark utility, so I put the old cable back in and its still the same, I'm barely doing anything atm but the usage is constantly at 100% while I get read speeds of like 100kb/s
[t]http://i.imgur.com/mSexQtW.png[/t]
so is this the final nail then? should I just replace it? Obviously somethings wrong but idk, I know nothing about computers but im just worried I'll get a new HDD and it'll still somehow be fucked, idk why though, my SSD is still performing like a dream.[/QUOTE]
To make sure it's broken you have to put it into another computer, see if it has the same behaviour.
If it does it's broke, if it's not you've got other issues.
Alright, bought and installed a 2tb WD Black, this is the benchmark result I just got
[img]http://i.imgur.com/51JjHtG.png[/img]
compared to my old shitey toshiba one
[img]http://i.imgur.com/WnzD7Iw.png[/img]
I assume the WD Black benchmark is all above board? Guess the hdd was screwed after all.
Those read-write speeds look about in line with WD black drives, if not a bit faster at sequential r/w ops. I'm seeing people report ~120 MB/s as being tolerable performance, so you getting low/mid 150 is really good actually.
Yep, your Toshiba drive is fubar.
Old drive was definitely fucked, even my 6 year old Seagate 1TB is twice that fast with only 10% free space.
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