Movimiento 15-M. Spain (may be) joining the Revolution party.
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Well this shit started in Twitter a while ago. This is nothing that bad (yet) as what happened in Egypt, but it is getting big.
Since May 15th, my country people has started a huge protest in the majority of the cities of Spain. Our people wants to change everything, as it seems they are fucking done with the shit that is living in Spain: The political corruption... I have a feel this could go on and get bigger. At least no violence has been done yet, but our Police is arresting people and could probably get worse.
See this Wiki article so it clears my shitty explanation to you.
[release]The 2011 May Spanish protests, also referred to as the 15-M Movement or Indignados (Spanish for outraged) are a series of demonstrations in Spain whose origin must be traced to social networks and the ¡Democracia Real Ya! (True Democracy Right Now!) civilian digital platform, along with 200 other smalls association.
They started the 15 May 2011 with an initial call in 58 Spanish cities. They're a series of peaceful protests that demand a radical change in Spanish politics, as protesters don't consider themselves to be represented by any party nor to be favoured by the measures approved by them. They've come up close to the municipal elections, which are celebrated on May 22. Press has related them to the economic crisis, Time for Outrage! (a Stéphane Hessel book), the NEET troubled generation and current arab, Greek and Icelandic protest and riots.
Even though protesters form a heterogeneous and ambiguous group, they share a strong rejection against Spanish politicians, the current two-party system in Spain between PSOE and PP and political corruption and a firm support for basic rights: home, work, culture, health, education...
A protester in Madrid with the hashtag #spanishrevolution in his banner. Social networks have played a decisive role in these demonstrations, but Twitter has been the most important by far, with hundreds of tweets per minute in critical moments and some hashtags becoming rapidly global trending topic, such as #DemocraciaRealYa, #NoLesVotes, #AcampadaSol or #NoNosVamos.
These protests have also appeared in a critical situation: Spanish youths are academically more prepared than ever before but they're facing a 50% youth unemployment, and 89% of Spaniards think political parties only care about themselves, according to Metroscopia. Protesters' purpose is to camp in cities' main squares until May 22.[/release]
Funny thing is that the News and the most popular channels from our country (Generally the communication media w/out the Internet) aren't saying shit to us or lying us, giving a BJ to their associated political parties.
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Our purposes are (Courtesy of Riga, gracias colega!l):
[QUOTE=Rigal;29916661] [url]http://democraciarealya.es/?page_id=234[/url]
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1. Remove privileges to the political class.
-Removing immunity and asking for imprescribility ( dont know if there is a better word in English ) of corruption crimes.
-Stop with hand picked by politician jobs.
-Other privileges.
2. Fight agains unemployment.
3.Right to have a home
-Force the people who bought a hose just to speculate with it, to rent it.
4.Quality public services.
-Stoping useless wastes on public administrations.
-Improving public services in general.
5. Control on bank entities.
-Force them to take back the money that was given to them when they needed help.
-Forbid banks to invest in tax haven.
-Forbid to rescue banks again. They should go to bankrupt or being nationalized.
6. Tax System.
-Increase tax for hight incomes and eliminate some tricks that they use to pay low taxes.
7. Citizen freedom and participative democracy.
-Modificate electoral system to one where all the votes worht the same ( in Spain every province has a vote weight so if you vote to some political party it has more weight in one province than in another, that makes a really disadvantage to small parties).
-Force that important European directives has to be voted ( some political parties in Spain uses to vote no in Spain and yes at the European parliament, then when the law comes to Spain they said that is the EU and not them who makes that )
-Force referendum tu every important legislative change.
-Stop controlling Internet
8. Decrease military wastes.
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I may join the party this saturday, i think our Government will actually not give a fuck though. I'll see how it goes on and post info here. :spain:
[b]Update - 27/5/11 - Protestants got beaten up in the center of Barcelona, Spain.[/b]
Video:
[media]http://youtube.com/watch?v=Geg_6Xoy04s[/media]
Just don't try to get another Franco, okay?
Who askes himself why do we call this thing [b]Democracy[/b] if us, the people, can't choose anything?
I had no idea it was that bad in Spain. Power to you, amigo.
Don't worry, nothing deadly has happened yet, i hope. From videos i've seen, this is peaceful atm.
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[QUOTE=Turnips5;29911842]I had no idea it was that bad in Spain. Power to you, amigo.[/QUOTE]
The news.
[QUOTE=The Blue Scotti;29911865]Don't worry, nothing deadly has happened yet, i hope. From videos i've seen, this is peaceful atm.
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The news.[/QUOTE]
I mean, I didn't know the corruption and internal problems were bad enough to warrant rioting.
I doubt this will be anything but a peaceful protest, but keep us updated anyway
[QUOTE=The Blue Scotti;29911829]Who askes himself why do we call this thing [b]Democracy[/b] if us, the people, can't choose anything?[/QUOTE]
Centralized Democracy in either representative or direct form are disasters and I'm not surprised that anyone would feel this way.
News say that the television started this protest, lmao.
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the president is telling some shit.
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Nevermind it's shit to vote his shitty party.
i hate democracy
Good luck. As a student learning Spanish I want to visit Spain someday, so good luck to you.
[QUOTE=RIPBILLYMAYS;29912284]Good luck. As a student learning Spanish I want to visit Spain someday, so good luck to you.[/QUOTE]
learn chinese; they're your overlords
Poder a las personas!
(My spanish sucks)
[QUOTE=Anteep2;29912339]learn chinese; they're your overlords[/QUOTE]
No, they just keep lending us money.
It's.. different.
I had no idea this was going on till today when I read about it on the news, heh.
[QUOTE=toaster468;29912379]Poder a las personas!
(My spanish sucks)[/QUOTE]
Poder para la gente!*
But that chant isn't very common in spanish anyways.
Viva la revolucion?
[QUOTE=The Blue Scotti;29911829]Who askes himself why do we call this thing [b]Democracy[/b] if us, the people, can't choose anything?[/QUOTE]
Indeed, and all decisions are made by people with no understanding of the topics involved. It is time an end was bought to all this bullshit.
I love baton v2 - Spain edition
I may take a video camera this sunday in case shit happens.
Oh wonderful guess where I have to vacation right after graduation.
my classmate laughed how he was going to spain soon
who laughs now bitch
Wow the TV channels are terrible.
"Oh thank god! If us the television didn't share the protest this wouldn't have happened! :downs:"
It was the Internet you dumbfucks. I want them to get the fuck out.
Nothing is set in stone. Take nothing for granted. Revolution is a continuous process.
Thread music
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glenn beck was right......
the caliphate's revolts are spreading to europe........
Fingers crossed for another Anarchist Catalonia.
Also see if you can get other countries' help. Pretty sure the U.S. would help so long as it still remains a democracy.
[QUOTE=ItsGary;29915775]Thread music
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfCZGk8eCUk[/media][/QUOTE]
That vid's only worth watching if you mute it.
[QUOTE=Turnips5;29911842]I had no idea it was that bad in Spain. Power to you, amigo.[/QUOTE]
In fact we are not as much bad but we are tired about some stuff. It started by Democracia Real Ya, and the ask for the followings basics, that are much more than logical. [url]http://democraciarealya.es/?page_id=234[/url]
1. Remove privileges to the political class.
-Removing immunity and asking for imprescribility ( dont know if there is a better word in English ) of corruption crimes.
-Stop with hand picked by politician jobs.
-Other privileges.
2. Fight agains unemployment.
3.Right to have a home
-Force the people who bought a hose just to speculate with it, to rent it.
4.Quality public services.
-Stoping useless wastes on public administrations.
-Improving public services in general.
5. Control on bank entities.
-Force them to take back the money that was given to them when they needed help.
-Forbid banks to invest in tax haven.
-Forbid to rescue banks again. They should go to bankrupt or being nationalized.
6. Tax System.
-Increase tax for hight incomes and eliminate some tricks that they use to pay low taxes.
7. Citizen freedom and participative democracy.
-Modificate electoral system to one where all the votes worht the same ( in Spain every province has a vote weight so if you vote to some political party it has more weight in one province than in another, that makes a really disadvantage to small parties).
-Force that important European directives has to be voted ( some political parties in Spain uses to vote no in Spain and yes at the European parliament, then when the law comes to Spain they said that is the EU and not them who makes that )
-Force referendum tu every important legislative change.
-Stop controlling Internet
8. Decrease military wastes.
This all is a free translation but it is part of the problem. Here it's like if we had just two parties and people forgot that there is some alternatives in small parties, because they have disadvantages in the elections and other stuff. Corruption has become usual, 123 candidates in the next elections are accused of corruption. For years this has always be like this but finally we have started to protest.
Bad english but I hope you to understand the most of it.
I was in Madrid like a month ago, I saw propaganda leaflets for this everywhere. Didn't expect it to blow up like this though.
Good luck from Britain
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