Ukranian Rada passes bills twisting terms of Minsk agreements, situation getting worse, again. - Polidicks

[img]http://cdn3.img.sputniknews.com/images/101394/09/1013940909.jpg[/img] [url]http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150317/1019621681.html[/url] [quote]KIEV (Sputnik) – [B]The parliament of Ukraine passed Tuesday three bills aimed at declaring areas under control of self-proclaimed authorities in eastern Ukraine “temporarily occupied” until they hold local elections in line with the Ukrainian law.[/B] [B]Kiev to Negotiate Only With Donbas Officials Elected Under Ukraine's Law[/B] The “temporarily occupied” self-proclaimed people’s republics of Donesk and Luhansk can get the special administrative status only after holding elections in line with the laws of Ukraine and under supervision of international monitors. The parliament has also approved a list of areas to which the special status will be applicable. Moscow said Monday that Kiev’s initiative “[B]distorts the very essence of the Minsk agreements by introducing a whole array of additional preconditions that have never been discussed before[/B].” Kiev Could Make Final Decision on Donbas Special Status on March 17-18 - Reports The leaders of Russia, Ukraine, France and Germany worked out a set of measures on February 12 aimed at putting an end to the hostilities in eastern Ukraine. One of the provisions said that Kiev authorities would work on the decentralization of power, which could result in more liberal arrangements for Donetsk and Luhansk. Initially, a law granting special status and broader autonomy to certain parts of the breakaway regions was introduced by Kiev in fall 2014 but was abolished shortly afterward. According to Security Council's Deputy Secretary Mykhaylo Koval, the special status law will not be applicable to the areas captured by Donbas militia after September 19, 2014. [/quote] [url]http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150318/1019648647.html[/url] [quote] [B]Eastern Ukrainian self-proclaimed republics ruled out compromise with Kiev authorities after Tuesday's decision made by Petro Poroshenko and the country's parliament to postpone giving DPR and LPR special status as well as to declare areas under their control “temporarily occupied.” Three bills aimed at declaring the self-proclaimed people's republics of Donetsk and Luhansk as temporarily occupied were passed in the Ukrainian parliament.[/B] Ukraine Parliament Passes Bills on Occupied Areas, Donbas Special Status MOSCOW (Sputnik) – The authorities from the eastern Ukrainian self-proclaimed Donetsk and Luhansk People’s republics said in a statement that it was impossible to compromise with Kiev after the president and the parliament made unilateral decisions on the status of the eastern regions. On Tuesday, Poroshenko and the Ukrainian parliament made several decisions on the status of the country’s eastern regions. The parliament decided to postpone the long-awaited decision of giving the two eastern regions special status until elections under Ukrainian law are held. Verkhovna Rada also declared areas under the control of the DPR and LPR “temporarily occupied.” “The DPR and LPR announce that there can be no compromises with Kiev until yesterday’s shameful decisions by [Ukrainian President Petro] Poroshenko and the Verkhovna Rada are changed,” DPR leader Alexander Zakharchenko and LPR leader Igor Plotnitsky were quoted as stating on the Luhansk Information Center’s website. [B]“Having accepted the documents that were not agreed with us, Kiev has shown its inability to negotiate,”[/B] the leaders’ statement reads. Granting special status to parts of the DPR and the LPR was one of key points of the agreement signed by both Kiev authorities and independence supporters in Minsk in February. [/quote] To make it short - Rada has failed to deliver bills established by Minsk agreements due date, does it in a hurry in next two days, does not consult other side or anyone from contact group, spews out terms logically unacceptable by rebels, adds ultimatum that is breaking apart whole point of Minsk agreements. Am i surprised? Not really. Before anyone goes rampant on flagdog or source, you could always verify provided information by comparing Minsk 2 documents and Rada's passed bills yourself.

It makes sense the officials should be elected under Ukraine law. It's part of Ukraine after all.

[QUOTE=Shadow801;47346102]It makes sense the officials should be elected under Ukraine law. It's part of Ukraine after all.[/QUOTE] It would make sence if they did not sign document that clearly calls them to negotiate with rebel leaders that are in charge of LNR and DNR, rather then simply elect their own. I mean, or what's the point? Are they going to negotiate with themselves? Cause, ya know, Ukranian law means elections would be held and monitored by ukranian authorities, soo any candidate from DNR or LNR would be ditched, and some irrelevant person would appear. How would he represent anything related to rebel controlled region?

Wait, so you're complaining that they're telling their illegally taken territory that they're still Ukrainian? Well they're right, it's illegally claimed Ukrainian territory and until they have elections in line with their countries laws I would agree that they should be treated as temporarily occupied. Seriously what's the problem here? [editline]18th March 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=karimatrix;47346129]It would make sence if they did not sign document that clearly calls them to negotiate with rebel leaders that are in charge of LNR and DNR, rather then simply elect their own. I mean, or what's the point? Are they going to negotiate with themselves? Cause, ya know, Ukranian law means elections would be held and monitored by ukranian authorities, soo any candidate from DNR or LNR would be ditched, and some irrelevant person would appear. How would he represent anything related to rebel controlled region?[/QUOTE] No dumbass, what they're saying is that since those territories are officially Ukrainian that until such time they're not they are bound to Ukrainian laws, which means holding elections using whatever methods Ukraine use for their voting. Not that they want their people in charge, just that they want shit done right which is comically difficult when Russia sticks in dick in the pot.

[QUOTE=Rapscallion92;47346139]Wait, so you're complaining that they're telling their illegally taken territory that they're still Ukrainian? Well they're right, it's illegally claimed Ukrainian territory and until they have elections in line with their countries laws I would agree that they should be treated as temporarily occupied. Seriously what's the problem here? [editline]18th March 2015[/editline] No dumbass, what they're saying is that since those territories are officially Ukrainian that until such time they're not they are bound to Ukrainian laws, which means holding elections using whatever methods Ukraine use for their voting. Not that they want their people in charge, just that they want shit done right which is comically difficult when Russia sticks in dick in the pot.[/QUOTE] You sure got a lot of faith in Ukranian goverment expecting them to "simply want to do shit right". And again, there is a signed document from Minsk, and it's clear that both sides should follow it by step by step rather then justify additions and twisting out context. Cause those agreements were specially designed to prevent outcomes that "favors anyone" to prevent further escalation. Ultimatums were not included because of that specific reason.

[QUOTE=karimatrix;47346154]You sure got a lot of faith in Ukranian goverment expecting them to "simply want to do shit right". And again, there is a signed document from Minsk, and it's clear that both sides should follow by it step by step rather then justify additions and twisting out context.[/QUOTE] What you mean the agreement that is being steadily disregarded by both sides? Since the ceasefire is effectively dead. [url]http://tass.ru/en/world/773095[/url] Also this? [quote]“The Minsk Memorandum will not be considered in the form it was adopted,” he told the Donetsk News Agency. “But it doesn’t mean there will be no other types of talks, since we all need peace — both us, who are living here, and citizens of Ukraine.” [/quote] I have faith in nobody, I just fucking know that the situation would have been much simpler if Crimea actually held a half decent referedum that didn't have thugs mooching about the ballot box and if Russia didn't get involved.

[QUOTE=Rapscallion92;47346167]What you mean the agreement that is being steadily disregarded by both sides? Since the ceasefire is effectively dead. [url]http://tass.ru/en/world/773095[/url] Also this? I have faith in nobody, I just fucking know that the situation would have been much simpler if Crimea actually held a half decent referedum that didn't have thugs mooching about the ballot box and if Russia didn't get involved.[/QUOTE] Cease fire was considered steadly improving since only few portions of soldiers on both sides continue to shell each other. And regarding that quote - yes, that is what contact group is for. To improve memorandum together. When rada passes bills late to deadline, without consultation and twisting out context this is no improval. As for your personal opinion on inception of this conflict, thank you, here's your informative rating.

Well shit, here it goes all over again.

Team Belarus wins without casualties hehe