Why does everyone say that the 2 sequels to the first Matrix suck? I loved all of the Matrix's. The first Matrix was probably the best, but my favourite movie was The Matrix: Revolutions. Especially at the end when Neo and Agent Smith have the huge battle scene (favourite battle scene of ALL TIME) Which Matrix movie did you enjoy the most?
The original had the best plot, and the fights were of consequence there which is my biggest gripe with Reloaded. Peoples lives were actually in danger and were fighting to survive, it wasn't like all the fights in Reloaded where you have a set of main characters that obviously can't die and where 5-10 minute fight scenes happen where no one is in much danger and one man is freakin god. I will say for as pointless as they all were, they were really fun to watch.
Revolutions was overly ambitious and in the end just turned out really really silly. Plus most of the action took place in the mechs which was a really strange departure but at least we saw people risking their lives and dying again.
Just to add to this, has anyone seen this? If you're still confused by what the hell the Architect was saying during that scene, here's a helpful translated version:
[video=youtube;8K-g7ipAqYY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8K-g7ipAqYY[/video]
I'm kinda fascinated with the setting of the Matrix
I've read over and watched "The Second Renaissance" a few times just because I like the whole concept of it.
I wish someone could have come in and helped smoothed out some of the problems that the sequels had.
[QUOTE=Jmir 54;38016798]I'm kinda fascinated with the setting of the Matrix
I've read over and watched "The Second Renaissance" a few times just because I like the whole concept of it.[/QUOTE]
This. The entire concept of the Matrix is the most interesting part about it; the movies only serve to ruin the potential of it (well, the second one and the third at least).
The Animatrix was a good watch for the most part. I don't remember entirely but I think there were at least two sequences I specifically didn't like about it: Some rather dumb glitched out vacant lot that some kids goof off in that ends up with zero climax or significance and the samurai fight one that had almost nothing to do with the Matrix besides the fact that [sp]it's some silly program I guess. [/sp] Oh, and maybe the one where they try to convert a sentinel drone; great concept in retrospect but the thing looks sloppy instead of artistic and I remember [sp] most of the characters dying from getting pushed over or thrown like four feet, as if they were made of paper mache or something. [/sp]
Best part about it was the Final Flight of the Osiris ( I actually remembered the name of this one, which says something) which bridges the gap between the two movies and even sets up the beginning of Enter The Matrix where they pick up the package left off by the [sp] deceased crew. [/sp]
I think the one thing that really killed the Matrix was the Wachowskis themselves, ironically enough. Just take a look at their 1996 draft of the first movie. [url]http://www.scifiscripts.com/scripts/matrix_96_draft.txt[/url]
Some examples of it (shamefully stolen from a cracked article):
[IMG]http://cdn-www.cracked.com/articleimages/dan/movie_scripts/script29.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://cdn-www.cracked.com/articleimages/dan/movie_scripts/script32.jpg[/IMG]
I hate both of the sequels, I wish I hadn't watched them because they sorta ruined the first movie for me.
Even if its sci-fi it feels very real, i really love matrix and its a shame that most of the people only like it for the fight scenes
for me The Matrix is a sci-fi/action classic, the sequels are pretty much garbage.
The second is ok, the third is real garbage.
I have them all, the first is a brilliant film. 9/10
The 2nd is cool as fuck but flawed in a few ways. 7/10
The 3rd was fun and i enjoyed parts of it, but it stopped being the matrix for me became more of a popcorn flick. 5/10
I can see why people hate on the 2nd but i personally don't have a problem with it.
The animatrix was decent and had some good ideas some of which might have been better as a feature film.
[QUOTE=Ryu-Gi;38016740]Just to add to this, has anyone seen this? If you're still confused by what the hell the Architect was saying during that scene, here's a helpful translated version:
[video=youtube;8K-g7ipAqYY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8K-g7ipAqYY[/video][/QUOTE]
How can it be the 6th time they've destroyed Zion if it's outside the Matrix?
I like all three of the movies.
First one had the best plot of course, and it felt more believable (yeah I know, the whole world is a computer program is believable right) in terms of that you still felt like the redpills were being hunted and weren't the almighty gods Neo was in the sequels. The highlights of the sequels were the action scenes, but the first one actually had good non-action ones too (my favorite scene is still the one where Cypher's having dinner with Smith.)
The second one had some really deep shit going on that was still good but I can't think of the sex scene without thinking of the Wachowski's faces
[img]http://howsyourrobot.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/wachowski-brothers.jpg[/img]
[B]these are the faces of the men who brought you mechanical hole techno dancing cave sex and a computer animation of the camera flying into a vagina[/B]
Plus the whole Merovingian thing felt kinda pointless.
"can we have the keymaker"
"no"
"my husband cheats on me here is the keymaker"
"thx"
"oh and by the way i can make cake that make women cum"
I guess I'm softer on the third movie than most because I thought the battle for Zion scenes kicked absolute ass, except for the ~super dramatic~ scene of the annoying kid saving the day.
"NEO I BELIEEEEEEVE"
SMASH
and for a film called "[B]The Matrix[/B] Revolutions" to spend only like 10 minutes in the matrix until the ending?
and that little indian girl was annoying as FUCK
oh and this
[img]http://trevorjacobs.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/13157598044.jpg[/img]
horrifying
I really liked the battle in Zion in revolutions, but it felt like it belonged in a different movie.
The ending fight scene with Mr. Smith and Neo reminded me too much of a multi-episode Dragon Ball Z fight.
It was like OH he got punched through 10 walls and thrown into the street that time, so I guess someone has the upper hand?
*one liner*
*fight continues with both parties equally as active*
It was just a bunch of stylistic rubbish until the nonsensical conclusion where everybody explodes in beams of light.
The first one presented a really interesting concept in an awesome way and had some really amazing scenes.
The second one tried to make it deeper but didn't really succeed.. It was an OK movie overall though, just far from as amazing as the first.
The third one was a braindead catastrophy of mostly super-long and kind of boring battle scenes with little depth and a pretty dissapointing ending.
What I don't like about the Matrix concept though is that the whole thing with machines using the humans as an energy source makes no sense at all. Why would they go to such lengths to imprison the minds of humans in a fully constructed and constantly maintained world that sometimes posed a danger to them for the miniscule amount of energy our bodies produce, when they could just build fusion-reactors and get a thousand times more energy.
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[IMG]http://howsyourrobot.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/wachowski-brothers.jpg[/IMG]
[B]these are the faces of the men who brought you mechanical hole techno dancing cave sex and a computer animation of the camera flying into a vagina[/B]
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Actually, the one on the left had a sex change. What was once Laurence is now Lana. :v:
[QUOTE=FreakySoup;38063641] The highlights of the sequels were the action scenes, but the first one actually had good non-action ones too (my favorite scene is still the one where Cypher's having dinner with Smith.) [/QUOTE]
My favorite non-action scene from the first as well. (Except maybe the red dress woman sequence)
[QUOTE=FreakySoup;38063641]
Plus the whole Merovingian thing felt kinda pointless.
"can we have the keymaker"
"no"
"my husband cheats on me here is the keymaker"
"thx"
"oh and by the way i can make cake that make women cum"
[/QUOTE]
I know what you mean. It seemed poorly written looking back at it; I feel like it was more interesting in Enter the Matrix than how it was in both the second and third sequels.
*[QUOTE=FreakySoup;38063641]
I guess I'm softer on the third movie than most because I thought the battle for Zion scenes kicked absolute ass, except for the ~super dramatic~ scene of the annoying kid saving the day.
"NEO I BELIEEEEEEVE"
SMASH
and for a film called "[B]The Matrix[/B] Revolutions" to spend only like 10 minutes in the matrix until the ending?
and that little indian girl was annoying as FUCK [/QUOTE]
I liked Kid's scene only for the Animatrix reference it had. Otherwise, I would have thought the same as you did. Have to say the same about the indian girl; the movie tries to make it seem like she's an important character or something yet provides no reasoning for this besides focusing way too much on her. Would have been better if they brought back the spoon kid from the first one. I honestly think she was only introduced to help explain why the Oracle had a different actor (or shell or however its explained in the movie) as in the story I believe she gave her avatar away in return for the girl.
[editline]16th October 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=FreakySoup;38063641]
oh and this
horrifying[/QUOTE]
[media] [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6rddx_2dn4[/url] [/media]
The sequels were horrible but they did have cool sequences here and there.
Ugh, that rave orgy scene in Reloaded.
I saw that in theaters.
With my brother and my dad.
Awwwwkward.
[QUOTE=nightlord;38061672]How can it be the 6th time they've destroyed Zion if it's outside the Matrix?[/QUOTE]
They destroy Zion every time they rewrite the Matrix; if you notice, when he gives the option to go back to the Source, he is given the choice of 23 people to repopulate Zion- this means that Zion will be destroyed if he picks that, which is what the previous versions of The One chose (if I'm interpreting it correctly).
They also have machines to do shit too, if that's what you're asking.
The thing you need to understand about the Matrix sequels is that they were originally written as one movie. Watching them like that, the second movie feels much better.
[QUOTE=Stopper;38070357]The thing you need to understand about the Matrix sequels is that they were originally written as one movie. Watching them like that, the second movie feels much better.[/QUOTE]
How does that make the movie any better? Because it was supposed to be in the first one? They give off different feels because they're different movies; Reloaded and Revolutions were intentionally similar so that they could tie in to each other seamlessly; the same cannot be said for The Matrix which goes off on a tangent after the ending.
I like all the Matrix movies equally. The only really bad point is the outfits they wear, I mean why so much leather it's so cringe-worthy.
'Cause it looks slick.
[QUOTE=The_J_Hat;38077970]'Cause it looks slick.[/QUOTE]
Na, the agents look slick but the resistance look incredibly dated. [sp]calling them resistance because I forgot the proper name[/sp]
i don't think neo wears leather once actually...
personally the first movie was this epic insanely awesome gawk fest of awesome effects and this omnious overarcing deal with a giant war between machine and man.
pretty much all the overarcing plot that was in the matrix was just enough for the world to feel fleshed out enough so it feels at least somewhat familiar but still holds that ominous feeling of something giant going on behind the scenes and adding to the overall unspoken epicness the movie carried (i've seen the movie at least an unreasonable amount of times and i still get that same feeling of awe i got when i saw it for the first time)
in the second and third we see what's behind the scenes and in my opinion it was kind of lame, at least in how they executed it. the second and third had their moments, the second having way more. i'm pretty sure the ceiling shootout is in the third one and that was probably my favorite action sequence in the two sequels besides the first fight scene in reloaded (which was to the awesome song furious angels by rob dougan).
anyways the trilogy is a classic example of an insanely well done movie followed by two decent movies but because the two following movies were'nt as good and were under the same name we say the sequels sucked, even though they were pretty decent movies alone.
[QUOTE=Pat4ever;38070434]How does that make the movie any better? Because it was supposed to be in the first one? They give off different feels because they're different movies; Reloaded and Revolutions were intentionally similar so that they could tie in to each other seamlessly; the same cannot be said for The Matrix which goes off on a tangent after the ending.[/QUOTE]
You read that wrong. The rumor is that Reloaded and Revolutions were planned to be one movie instead of two. When the decision was made to split them, they were both padded out in order to fill run-time. I still think that this theoretical lone sequel would still have suffered from the more significant plot problems that both movies have, but maybe we would have been spared the endless rave scene, endless fight scenes, endless pseudo-philosophical drivel, and the endless highway chase scene.
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I think the one thing that really killed the Matrix was the Wachowskis themselves, ironically enough. Just take a look at their 1996 draft of the first movie. [url]http://www.scifiscripts.com/scripts/matrix_96_draft.txt[/url]
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Hahaha i was wondering if someone would bring up some of the groan-worthy bits that were in the old scripts. I'm glad that someone in the crew realized how bad some of those scenes were. They would have kneecapped a good movie if those scenes had been left as they were.
Personally, I think it was over-saturation of the entire Matrix style that really drove the nails in the coffin. I can't be the only one who remembers when every other movie and video game was blatantly ripping off the action and special effects of The Matrix. To some extent they still haven't stopped yet, but it was [I]everywhere[/I] in the early-mid 2000's. People got tired of its styling as much as the franchise itself, and that spelled doom for any chance of a long life. I actually find the whole handling of the Matrix franchise fascinating in how it went from red-hot to stone-cold dead in the span of a decade.
Without a doubt the first movie is the best one. The stakes were high and the characters could die. Neo wasn't unstoppable yet and agents had that Terminator feel to them. That's why it's so great when Neo decides to fight Smith near the end.
I don't mind the sequels, they definitely have some amazing parts. But they also lose a lot by having The Chosen One and his two friends who are suddenly the best fighters the humankind has to offer.
I wish there was the sequels entirely from Neo's perspective and he just waits in the train area for the entire movie
It looks like it's generally agreed that the first movie is goddamn awesome. I agree. The second one has always been my least favourite, and Revolutions a close second. I guess I prefer Revolutions over Reloaded because I enjoy it when an awesomely-set story comes full circle, I think my opinion's a little dumb though, the only scenes of it I can remember are: the agent schmidt final battle, and the Zion tension (which I could immerse myself into with no problem).
I need to rewatch them all.
[QUOTE=Ac!dL3ak;38069635]They destroy Zion every time they rewrite the Matrix; if you notice, when he gives the option to go back to the Source, he is given the choice of 23 people to repopulate Zion- this means that Zion will be destroyed if he picks that, which is what the previous versions of The One chose (if I'm interpreting it correctly).
They also have machines to do shit too, if that's what you're asking.[/QUOTE]
What's the point in them destroying it each time and then letting it be rebuilt? I thought they wanted to wipe out all the Humans outside the matrix.
I think it's the same old "kill humans to save humans" stuff. Apparently humans a) can't live with each other and kill everyone and destroy the planet OR b) humans create machines, machines and humans fight and destroy the planet.
In the Matrix this has already happened and the planet is pretty darn shitty. I think it's something to do with population control.
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