• BBC News to liveblog the assassination of Franz Ferdinand, 100 years later
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[img]http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/75850000/jpg/_75850804_bbclive.jpg[/img] [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-editors-28034372[/url] [quote]BBC News is used to reporting breaking news around the world. It's what we do, part of the reason for our very existence. So if there were to be an assassination of a prominent European leader today, we would want to be there, reporting live. And audiences expect to consume breaking news in a live blog environment which is why we wanted to experiment with revealing history in this way. This was the idea behind 1914 Live as the BBC's First World War season reaches the first significant anniversary. We would use all the techniques of breaking news in 2014 to report on events from Sarajevo 100 years ago, particularly the BBC's Live format used to great effect during the World Cup and Queen's Baton Relay. And we would do it by using BBC correspondents in their familiar roles. So, Allan Little, who has great experience of reporting in the Balkans, will be our man in Sarajevo. Royal correspondent Nicholas Witchell tells the story of Archduke Franz Ferdinand, his wife, and their relationship with our own king and queen of the time. Diplomatic correspondent Bridget Kendall will look at how the assassination was viewed by the government in London. Security correspondent Frank Gardner will tell us about the security concerns surrounding the archduke's visit to Sarajevo. And we have reaction from correspondents based in the most important European cities at the time - St Petersburg, Berlin, Vienna and Paris - to find out how the tsar, the kaiser, an emperor and a president were all told the news. Their reports are based on meticulous research of what actually happened that day - and how the world came to know about it. The facts have been gathered and checked, the timeline carefully constructed. Professor Margaret MacMillan, author of The War That Ended Peace, has acted as our historical consultant. Her Day by Day series on Radio 4 is another part of the BBC's commitment to explaining the build-up to war alongside a wealth of material to explore at the World War One site.[/quote] [url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-27978407]Link to the page[/url]
This should be interesting to watch. They should also do this for other prominent parts of WW1
I predict a ton of people who've never heard of Ferdinand will think it's actually happening
[QUOTE=kaze4159;45228181]I predict a ton of people who've never heard of Ferdinand will think it's actually happening[/QUOTE] Hey, everyone heard of Franz Ferdinand, it's a famous band!
At least we won't have to ever hear this shit again. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhCXAiNz9Jo[/media]
Technically, all days change the world.
Fonz Ferdinand? Eyyyy~
On a side note, this year will also mark the 100 year anniversary of the Christmas Truce!
[QUOTE=Friendly;45228194]At least we won't have to ever hear this shit again. [/QUOTE] Well, they did make a [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMfprvLp-t8"]song about the assassination[/URL] itself.
[QUOTE=Thompsonas;45228238]Well, they did make a [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMfprvLp-t8"]song about the assassination[/URL] itself.[/QUOTE] There have been far worse bands to be honest that we should be hating instead
"the day that changed the world" more like the day that gives us a convenient event to blame the worst atrocity of human history on
[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;45228314]"the day that changed the world" more like the day that gives us a convenient event to blame the worst atrocity of human history on[/QUOTE] Am I missing something.
I bet Gavrilo felt like a right dick as he watched the world tear itself apart while he rotted in his prison cell in Austro-Hungary.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-AjF3dYBXA[/media]
[QUOTE=kaze4159;45228181]I predict a ton of people who've never heard of Ferdinand will think it's actually happening[/QUOTE] Do you think people will try to look for Austro-Hungary somewhere in South America?
[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;45228325]Am I missing something.[/QUOTE] there's a vid on this in the video section but basically there's some historians who believe the way we're taught ww1 history in schools and the generally accepted consensus on the war is way too over simplified - the way we view the "scrap of paper" and the assassination and the arms race is a way of making the mistake of the war seem 'sad' and 'inevitable', especially because of some idea (that has no evidence) that germany had some expansionist world take-over plan which meant we had to get involved tldr we attach way too much emphasis to meaningless events as a way to explain and legitimise the horror that was the first world war, when really it just boils down to a terrible decision made at the last minute by british politicians
[QUOTE=kaze4159;45228181]I predict a ton of people who've never heard of Ferdinand will think it's actually happening[/QUOTE] Yo dude I heard that this Ferdinand guy was assassinated while Driving his General Lee to the set of Archdukes of Hazzard
The best part about WW1 is that if Gavrilo Princip wasn't eating that sandwich and instead went home, every major event of the 20th century could have been avoided.
[QUOTE=Griffster26;45228529]The best part about WW1 is that if Gavrilo Princip wasn't eating that sandwich and instead went home, every major event of the 20th century could have been avoided.[/QUOTE] WW1 was inevitable, it just would have started at a later date.
[QUOTE=Griffster26;45228529]The best part about WW1 is that if Gavrilo Princip wasn't eating that sandwich and instead went home, every major event of the 20th century could have been avoided.[/QUOTE] What?
[QUOTE=Daniel Smith;45228582]WW1 was inevitable, it just would have started at a later date.[/QUOTE] WW2 Could have been avoided piss easy, but no one seemed to give a shit or be paying attention to what was going on in Germany.
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[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;45228409] tldr we attach way too much emphasis to meaningless events as a way to explain and legitimise the horror that was the first world war, when really it just boils down to a terrible decision made at the last minute by british politicians[/QUOTE] England joined in after Germany got its shit underway. The war was already going. There was no "last minute decision". Where'd you get that from?
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;45228635]What?[/QUOTE] The story goes that all the assassins originally failed to kill the Archduke, then one of them went to get a sandwich from a shop which happened to be along the route the Archduke was taking to visit the injured at the hospital. So from that, people say that a Sandwich caused World War 1.
[QUOTE=Coffee;45228736]The story goes that all the assassins originally failed to kill the Archduke, then one of them went to get a sandwich from a shop which happened to be along the route the Archduke was taking to visit the injured at the hospital. So from that, people say that a Sandwich caused World War 1.[/QUOTE] He was standing outside a sandwich shop and the car's engine stalled when it tried to reverse. They originally intended to take a different route to avoid the city center, but the driver hadn't been informed of this (WHOOPS!) and so he went round a much riskier route. Once the driver was informed/the passengers realized they were going down a risky route, he stopped and tried to go into reverse. The engine stalled, Princip turned his head, and stepped out into the street and seized the moment.
Gavrilo Princip buying a sandwich is actually a myth though, it's not mentioned in any sources prior to about 2001 [url]http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/gavrilo-princips-sandwich-79480741/?no-ist[/url] The shop he was standing outside was also part of the Archduke's original motorcade route so it's unlikely Princip just said fuck it and headed off to a random shop
[QUOTE=smurfy;45228762]Gavrilo Princip buying a sandwich is actually a myth though, it's not mentioned in any sources prior to about 2001 [url]http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/gavrilo-princips-sandwich-79480741/?no-ist[/url][/QUOTE] Yeah, it's documented fact he was [B]there,[/B] but him buying a sandwich is apocryphal. There wasn't any real flash of opportunity where he looked up between mouthfuls of baguette or anything. The odds are he would never have missed the car where he was.
[QUOTE=Drsalvador;45228712]England joined in after Germany got its shit underway. The war was already going. There was no "last minute decision". Where'd you get that from?[/QUOTE] all of the sentiment of parliamentary meetings prior to the war were "we don't care lets not get involved." once the war began, british politicians were still uneasy about the idea of joining in and mostly against it and then the liberal prime minister said "yo we're not doing well in the polls you know and if we don't go to war basically i'm gonna resign and then none of you will have a job" so they voted to join the war. it was as simple as that. the idea that the war was an inevitable thing is just an idea we teach to try and make terrible decisions seem less awful [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9yNEvV6lI4#t=236[/media] [QUOTE=Atlascore;45228808]Meaningless events? Are you serious? The whole reason the war started was because of that assassination, Austria-Hungary was looking for a reason to invade Serbia and the assassination gave them one. Also what do the British have to do with this? The war was going to happen regardless of anything the British did.[/QUOTE] a continental war was going to happen. a world war involving hundreds of thousands of deaths was not. if britain hand't have gotten involved it is almost certain that germany would have defeated france rapidly, probably annexed some territory, and then established economic control and left it at that ww1 was not inevitable. it was caused directly by the terrible miscalculations of the british government at the time getting involved in a war they didn't need to be involved in
[QUOTE=Coffee;45228736]The story goes that all the assassins originally failed to kill the Archduke, then one of them went to get a sandwich from a shop which happened to be along the route the Archduke was taking to visit the injured at the hospital. So from that, people say that a Sandwich caused World War 1.[/QUOTE] For the record, they tried to off him by chucking a bomb into his car at first. However, the Archduke would have none of it, and chucked the bomb out of the car, which exploded in the street and injured the occupants of the car behind his own.
[QUOTE=scurr;45228358]I bet Gavrilo felt like a right dick as he watched the world tear itself apart while he rotted in his prison cell in Austro-Hungary.[/QUOTE] Well he's considered a national hero in the Balkan to this day to be honest. I've actually had a bunch of croats ask me, why we czechs, who were also under the austrians, don't celebrate him as a hero as well. They were not fans of the answer.
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