• PKK terrorists attempt to derail commercial train in Turkey
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[quote]Passenger train en route to Tehran attacked by suspected PKK militants, no casualties reported BINGOL, Turkey A passenger train travelling from Ankara to Tehran was attacked Thursday in a mine blast thought to have been carried out by Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) militants, a local official said. The Trans-Asian service was travelling between Genc in the eastern province of Bingol and Suveren, Igdir province, when it was targeted by suspected PKK militants, the Bingol Governor Yavuz Selim Kosger told Anadolu Agency. A mine laid under the tracks was detonated by remote control, causing damage to carriages and the line but the train was able to continue its journey. There were no casualties, Kosger said. Security forces have been sent the site of the blast. PKK is listed as a terrorist organization by Turkey, the U.S. and the European Union. Turkey has been hit by a number of attacks over the past week -- mostly in the country's southeast -- following a Daesh-linked suicide bombing in Suruc, Sanliurfa province, which killed 32 people on July 20.[/quote] [url]http://www.aa.com.tr/en/turkey/565213--trans-asian-train-targeted-in-eastern-turkey-mine-blast[/url] [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("shitposting gimmick don't come back" - BANNED USER))[/highlight]
[quote]Turkey has been hit by a number of attacks over the past week -- mostly in the country's southeast -- following a Daesh-linked suicide bombing in Suruc, Sanliurfa province, which killed 32 people on July 20.[/quote] So they just recently had a suicide bombing by DAESH but by without apparently capturing anyone or having any other evidence, they just automatically presume the Kurds did this. Sounds like Turkey.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;48330146]So they just recently had a suicide bombing by DAESH but by without apparently capturing anyone or having any other evidence, they just automatically presume the Kurds did this. Sounds like Turkey.[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Ankara_bombing[/url] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Diyarbak%C4%B1r_bombing[/url] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Hakk%C3%A2ri_bus_attack[/url] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Istanbul_bombing[/url] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Gaziantep_bombing[/url] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_Istanbul_bombings[/url] etc. Kurds have committed hundreds of terrorist attacks in Turkey. ISIS only 2.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;48330146]So they just recently had a suicide bombing by DAESH but by without apparently capturing anyone or having any other evidence, they just automatically presume the Kurds did this. Sounds like Turkey.[/QUOTE] ISIS isn't active in or near the area where this bombing happened (it happened smack bang in the middle of Turkish Kurdistan), so it's fairly safe to assume that PKK did it rather than ISIS. Also PKK commits more terrorist acts in Turkey in general, and the conflict has been festering away for some time now.
[QUOTE=Allah;48330169][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Ankara_bombing[/url] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Diyarbak%C4%B1r_bombing[/url] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Hakk%C3%A2ri_bus_attack[/url] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Istanbul_bombing[/url] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Gaziantep_bombing[/url] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_Istanbul_bombings[/url] etc. Kurds have committed hundreds of terrorist attacks in Turkey. ISIS only 2.[/QUOTE] I think you are mixing up a whole ethnic group with terrorists here.
Honestly this sounds more like the PKK's MO than ISIS, so I'm going to say it's likely the PKK being shitheads again.
Could we change the sarcastic thread title?
[QUOTE=Killuah;48330437]Could we change the sarcastic thread title?[/QUOTE] Sarcastic? The PKK are the good guys, Fox News said so.
[QUOTE=Allah;48330540]Sarcastic? The PKK are the good guys, Fox News said so.[/QUOTE] Fox News would never say so lol. The PKK are widely regarded as terrorists, mate. The Kurds that people are rooting for are the ones driving back Daesh in Iraq and Syria, not the ones blowing up trains in central Turkey.
[QUOTE=deltasquid;48330548]Fox News would never say so lol. The PKK are widely regarded as terrorists, mate. The Kurds that people are rooting for are the ones driving back Daesh in Iraq and Syria, not the ones blowing up trains in central Turkey.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.newrepublic.com/article/119939/pkk-not-terrorist-organization-theyre-fighting-isis-terrorists[/url] "In the European Parliament, 493 MPs voted in favor of delisting the PKK, 138 voted in favor and 64 abstained." It's okay, they're fighting ISIS, that means they're the good guys. There are two sides in politics: good heroes or evil villains. Just like in the Disney movies! If you fight the evil guys ISIS, you're the heroes. Not just PKK, but Al-Nusra, Al-Qaeda, etc. as well. They are also against ISIS.
[QUOTE=Allah;48330169] Kurds have committed hundreds of terrorist attacks in Turkey. ISIS only 2.[/QUOTE] Oh shut the fuck up. You can not fucking oppress and persecute the shit out of an ethnic minority for all this time and expect them to take it lying down? The fact that you've just completely ignored the apparently quite deep ties between one of the most extreme terror organizations on earth and some very willing people in your own country is also highly disturbing. You said yourself, Daesh has only two bombings against Turkey. What an oddly low number considering the length of the borders you share. I'm not saying the Kurds are perfect, in fact far from it, but the very idea that you're trying to play the victim while your country is simultaneously committing acts of terror to the Kurdish populace. Just let them form a free Kurdish state for fucks sake. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("flaming" - Orkel))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=The Aussie;48330649]Oh shut the fuck up. You can not fucking oppress and persecute the shit out of an ethnic minority for all this time and expect them to take it lying down? The fact that you've just completely ignored the apparently quite deep ties between one of the most extreme terror organizations on earth and some very willing people in your own country is also highly disturbing. You said yourself, Daesh has only two bombings against Turkey. What an oddly low number considering the length of the borders you share. I'm not saying the Kurds are perfect, in fact far from it, but the very idea that you're trying to play the victim while your country is simultaneously committing acts of terror to the Kurdish populace. Just let them form a free Kurdish state for fucks sake.[/QUOTE] We opress them, huh? Do you have any sources to back that up? We're not the ones attacking civilians because we want to be independent. [QUOTE=The Aussie;48330649]Just let them form a free Kurdish state for fucks sake.[/QUOTE] Not in our lands, no. Besides, if every ethnic group had the right to secede, Russia should let every republic in their federation to secede. America should give Native Americans their own country. China should give Uyghurs their own country. The list goes on.
[QUOTE=Allah;48330661] America should give Native Americans their own country. [/QUOTE] Technically they pretty much are though. They have almost complete autonomy, the only difference is they receive money from the U.S. government and are allowed to freely move between the reservations and the rest of the U.S. proper.
The PKK reminds me a lot of the IRA. [editline]30th July 2015[/editline] And I'm not just jumping to a random conclusion, they really do. An ethnic minority that has largely been under the boot of a country wholly different than them, now on the most extreme path of struggle for independence.
[QUOTE=Allah;48330661]We oppress them, huh? Do you have any sources to back that up? We're not the ones attacking civilians because we want to be independent. [/QUOTE] [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey%E2%80%93PKK_conflict"]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey%E2%80%93PKK_conflict[/URL] This shit's been going on since the Ottoman empire? Pull yourself together Turkey. Sure, we oppressed African Americans real bad back in the day, but at least we admit it.
[QUOTE=CreeplyTuna;48330730][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey%E2%80%93PKK_conflict"]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey%E2%80%93PKK_conflict[/URL] This shit's been going on since the Ottoman empire? Pull yourself together Turkey. Sure, we oppressed African Americans real bad back in the day, but at least we admit it.[/QUOTE] What's that page supposed to tell me? That Kurds decide that they want to be independent, so they commit terrorism because we don't want to lose our land? It's not news.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;48330721]The PKK reminds me a lot of the IRA. [/QUOTE] I doubt IRA [URL="http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d6e_1418109431"]targeted children[/URL] back then.
[QUOTE=AhoyMate;48330760]I doubt IRA [URL="http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d6e_1418109431"]targeted children[/URL] back then.[/QUOTE] Omagh Bombing in '98 killed a bunch of kids, including a pregnant woman
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;48330769]Omagh Bombing in '98 killed a bunch of kids, including a pregnant woman[/QUOTE] Were there multiple incidents? Because if you check the link I sent you can clearly see that there has been multiple assaults towards the children.
[QUOTE=AhoyMate;48330782]Were there multiple incidents? Because if you check the link I sent you can clearly see that there has been multiple assaults towards the children.[/QUOTE] I didn't want to see any kids being murdered, actually. Why do you think that I'm in all around support of the IRA or PKK?
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;48330786]I didn't want to see any kids being murdered, actually. Why do you think that I'm in all around support of the IRA or PKK?[/QUOTE] You sounded like PKK's actions were just.
Alright, first off, i'm just going to state my strong belief in the right of self determination for any sort of group, which includes ethnic groups wishing to form their own countries. For example, the Kurds, but also those of other areas such as Catalonia. Now lets work backwards shall we? Most recently, we have the bombing of the Kurdish troops by Turkish Military forces. Not really all that surprising, but it has emerged that not only has the majority of Turkish lead airstrikes been against Kurdish forces, but also the largest of the airstrikes thus far. [url=http://www.wsj.com/articles/turkey-hits-kurdish-militants-in-iraq-in-largest-airstrike-yet-1438168623]Source; Wall Street Journal.[/url] According to an article written by the former French Ambassador to Turkey, and Journalist for Le Monde (One of the worlds most respected newspapers), Turkey has destroyed the villages of Kurdish people suspected of supporting the PKK (Hello South Vietnam 1969), all their worldly possessions burned in front of them. Also mentioned in the article are the unsolved assassinations of 14 journalists, and several other people including a member of fucking parliament for having suspected PKK sympathies. [url=https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/europe/1993-12-01/challenges-turkey]Source; Foreign Affairs[/url] Moving a bit further back, we've got over 380,000 Kurdish civilians forcibly evicted from their villages, wiping over 3,000 from the map. In light of this, however, to Turkey's credit, they've attempted to reverse some of the damage they've done. However, it apparently falls rather short of any sort of long term meaningful change for a lot of the displaced Kurds, which as of ten years ago, still face massive hardships due to these actions. [url=http://www.hrw.org/reports/2005/turkey0305/3.htm#_Toc97005223]Source; Human Rights Watch[/url] I'm not done. [editline]30th July 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Allah;48330757]What's that page supposed to tell me? That Kurds decide that they want to be independent, so they commit terrorism because we don't want to lose our land? It's not news.[/QUOTE] It's not your land to begin with. That's like me saying American Indians or Australian aborigines don't "really" own the land they've lived on for thousands of years. [editline]30th July 2015[/editline] Amnesty International released a report which states that, "The estimated 13 million Kurds in Turkey face widespread, although not open, discrimination on the basis of their ethnic identity both in law and in the administration of justice." It also speaks of a Kurdish politician who received a 15 year jail term for wearing Kurdish colours and closing her acceptance speech with a message in Kurdish, wishing for the Turks and the Kurds to live together peacefully under a democratic framework. She was fucking arrested for that. What a fucking joke. I'm leaving out the numerous other reports of breaches of international fair trial standards and such when dealing with Kurdish people. The report then goes on to state that, "The Turkish state has used the military and the police to suppress armed Kurdish opposition, and widespread human rights abuses have been committed by both sides to the conflict. The Turkish military and police have been responsible for extrajudicial executions, “disappearances”, mass arbitrary arrests and the wholesale use of torture." [url=https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/ACT40/020/2001/en/]Source; Amnesty International [/url] [editline]30th July 2015[/editline] Oh, and to cap this off. There's credible allegations of chemical weapon use against Kurdish PKK fighters, nothing confirmed, so i'll just leave the link here. [url=http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/shocking-images-of-dead-kurdish-fighters-turkey-accused-of-using-chemical-weapons-against-pkk-a-711536.html] Source; Speigel Magazine.[/url]
Wow that was an informative post. Thanks for taking the time!
[QUOTE=Allah;48330757]What's that page supposed to tell me?[/QUOTE] History [editline]30th July 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Allah;48330661]We opress them, huh? Do you have any sources to back that up? We're not the ones attacking civilians because we want to be independent. Not in our lands, no. Besides, if every ethnic group had the right to secede, Russia should let every republic in their federation to secede. America should give Native Americans their own country. China should give Uyghurs their own country. The list goes on.[/QUOTE] The sources are the descendants of the Kurds of Dersim.
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