US complies to Pakistan. US to withdraw troops from Pakistan - Polidicks

[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-13555557[/url] [release]The US military has announced the withdrawal of a number of its troops from Pakistan. [b]The Pentagon said it had received a request from the Pakistani government to reduce its presence in the country.[/b] The request came after a raid by US special forces killed al-Qaeda leader Osama Bin Laden in early May. [b]The US has more than 200 troops in Pakistan helping to train the army. But there are said to be intelligence and special forces operating there.[/b] A spokesman at the Pentagon said that within the last two weeks Pakistan had asked the American military to reduce its footprint, and the Americans were doing so, pulling out some troops. The numbers are quite small. [b]It is not clear if any of the American intelligence and special operations forces that are said to be in Pakistan clandestinely are also being pulled out.[/b] Volatile relations The request would appear to be a sign of Pakistan's discontent at the manner in which the raid on Osama Bin Laden's compound in Abbottabad was conducted without Islamabad's knowledge. Relations between Washington and Islamabad are always complex and fragile but they are particularly volatile at the moment. In Washington, suspicion is rife that some in Pakistan knew of Osama bin Laden's hiding place. And there is grumbling about continued US military aid. A trial underway in Chicago may shed light on the relationship between Pakistani intelligence and violent extremist groups. [b]And to top it off, Pakistan's Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani has just been to China, buying fighter jets and reaffirming a strategic alliance the US finds troubling.[/b][/release] Pakistan is being a total douche.

Their loss. Those troops were helping to train the army. Looking at the current state of Pakistan's armed forces, this decision does not bode well.

[QUOTE=lulzbocksV2;30056519]Their loss. Those troops were helping to train the army. Looking at the current state of Pakistan's armed forces, this decision does not bode well.[/QUOTE] They're actually a very competent military force. They also have been experienced in wars against India. They're not like Afghanistan in where the entire nation gets fucked over by colonialism and communization.

[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;30056579]They're actually a very competent military force. They also have been experienced in wars against India. They're not like Afghanistan in where the entire nation gets fucked over by colonialism and communization.[/QUOTE] Osama was living less than a mile away from a major military complex :colbert:.

[QUOTE=lulzbocksV2;30056590]Osama was living less than a mile away from a major military complex :colbert:.[/QUOTE] That doesn't prove anything about the competence of their military. Killing Osama isn't the kind of thing you just do because it's a Tuesday night and you're bored.

So how long 'till the Pakistani Government caves and the Taliban take over?

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;30056904]So how long 'till the Pakistani Government caves and the Taliban take over?[/QUOTE] I'd give it 3-4 years.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;30056904]So how long 'till the Pakistani Government caves and the Taliban take over?[/QUOTE] Depends if we keep bombing them. We keep bombing them, the people are going to radicalize even more. The Taliban wasn't really an issue in Pakistan until they joined in the war against terror and we started bombing them. Keep in mind that we aren't just killing Taliban and Al-Qaeda, but we are killing a whole load of innocent civilians in these bombings, and civilian killings only encourages more people to side with the Taliban.

[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;30056579]They're actually a very competent military force. They also have been experienced in wars against India. They're not like Afghanistan in where the entire nation gets fucked over by colonialism and communization.[/QUOTE] They lost a naval base to the Taliban, just the other day. :colbert:

[QUOTE=Apache249;30056989]They lost a naval base to the Taliban, just the other day. :colbert:[/QUOTE] IIRC they were attacked but the destroyed the Taliban forces.

[QUOTE=Apache249;30056989]They lost a naval base to the Taliban, just the other day. :colbert:[/QUOTE] The Taliban conducted a raid rather than an attempt to capture said naval base.

Wait, didn't read clearly. :frown:

Lol have fun with an even more unstable region Pakistan

[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;30056481][url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-13555557[/url] [release]The US military has announced the withdrawal of a number of its troops from Pakistan. [b]The Pentagon said it had received a request from the Pakistani government to reduce its presence in the country.[/b] The request came after a raid by US special forces killed al-Qaeda leader Osama Bin Laden in early May. [b]The US has more than 200 troops in Pakistan helping to train the army. But there are said to be intelligence and special forces operating there.[/b] A spokesman at the Pentagon said that within the last two weeks Pakistan had asked the American military to reduce its footprint, and the Americans were doing so, pulling out some troops. The numbers are quite small. [b]It is not clear if any of the American intelligence and special operations forces that are said to be in Pakistan clandestinely are also being pulled out.[/b] Volatile relations The request would appear to be a sign of Pakistan's discontent at the manner in which the raid on Osama Bin Laden's compound in Abbottabad was conducted without Islamabad's knowledge. Relations between Washington and Islamabad are always complex and fragile but they are particularly volatile at the moment. In Washington, suspicion is rife that some in Pakistan knew of Osama bin Laden's hiding place. And there is grumbling about continued US military aid. A trial underway in Chicago may shed light on the relationship between Pakistani intelligence and violent extremist groups. [b]And to top it off, Pakistan's Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani has just been to China, buying fighter jets and reaffirming a strategic alliance the US finds troubling.[/b][/release] Pakistan is being a total douche.[/QUOTE] No, the US has been a total douche to Pakistan. US is the reason why Pakistan is so destabilized these days, drone strikes, CIA covert operating, daily suicide attacks... Get off your high horse folks, Pakistan has lost more than ANY other country in the so-called WoT. I personally hope for a Pakistani revolution, down with the corrupt government/military leadership, they're no good for the common Pakistani man/woman.

[QUOTE=thebadboy91;30057339]No, the US has been a total douche to Pakistan.[/QUOTE] Yes, the douche has been a total Pakistan to US I dunno

[QUOTE=Tac Error;30057076]The Taliban conducted a raid rather than an attempt to capture said naval base.[/QUOTE] Who do you think provided the training and the sophisticated weapons used in the operation? Also, due to the drone strikes people are getting more radical, even quite a few in our military - e.g they got inside help. To be honest, it all went downhill when Pakistan started training Mujahideens in the early 80's against Soviet occupation of Afghanistan. We received millions of refugees and tons of problems, the consequences we're facing today has its root from our policy then. The US face no problems, they can pack their bags whenever they want and say "Mission Accomplished".

[QUOTE=thebadboy91;30057375]Who do you think provided the training and the sophisticated weapons used in the operation? Also, due to the drone strikes people are getting more radical, even quite a few in our military - e.g they got inside help.[/QUOTE] How does that relate to raid ≠ lost base?

[QUOTE=Tac Error;30057382]How does that relate to raid ≠ lost base?[/QUOTE] My point is that the situation in Pakistan is A LOT more complicated than what some of you want it to be. We know that there are lots of Americans driving in black SUV's near the capital, renting big houses, been caught with weapons etc. What do you think that they're doing? My point is that the US is playing a double game, Pakistan should make it clear and _NOT_ cooperate with the US. Sadly the co-called aid money it receives from the US is more than enough for our puppet government to fill their own pockets (and the US knows that, overall Pakistan is losing WAY, WAY more money - innocent civilians+soldier in war against terrorists than what it receives as aid from US). Sorry about my English, stream of consciousness

[QUOTE=thebadboy91;30057375]The US face no problems, they can pack their bags whenever they want and say "Mission Accomplished".[/QUOTE] lol, we did that in the 80s and look where it got us.

[QUOTE=thebadboy91;30057428]My point is that the situation in Pakistan is A LOT more complicated than what some of you want it to be. We know that there are lots of Americans driving in black SUV's near the capital, renting big houses, been caught with weapons etc. What do you think that they're doing? My point is that the US is playing a double game, Pakistan should make it clear and _NOT_ cooperate with the US. Sadly the co-called aid money it receives from the US is more than enough for our puppet government to fill their own pockets (and the US knows that, overall Pakistan is losing WAY, WAY more money - innocent civilians+soldier in war against terrorists than what it receives as aid from US). Sorry about my English, stream of consciousness[/QUOTE] Calm down there sport, no need to bomb dumbs

[QUOTE=thebadboy91;30057428]My point is that the situation in Pakistan is A LOT more complicated than what some of you want it to be. We know that there are lots of Americans driving in black SUV's near the capital, renting big houses, been caught with weapons etc. What do you think that they're doing? My point is that the US is playing a double game, Pakistan should make it clear and _NOT_ cooperate with the US. Sadly the co-called aid money it receives from the US is more than enough for our [b]puppet government[/b] to fill their own pockets (and the US knows that, overall Pakistan is losing WAY, WAY more money - innocent civilians+soldier in war against terrorists than what it receives as aid from US). Sorry about my English, stream of consciousness[/QUOTE] HAHAHAHAHA, oh wow. Casualties just mean they are hosting it, nothing more. The war was on their doorstep anyway and without the aid, they'd be fighting it anyway on their own. Pakistan is the worst ally ever and if we could keep them out of it we would. Unfortunately they are hosting our enemies so it's either knock them out or deal with their theocratic shit.

[QUOTE=Devodiere;30057433]lol, we did that in the 80s and look where it got us.[/QUOTE] Let me guess, did you receive 3-4 million Afghani refugees? Daily suicide attacks in the country (some more sophisticated than others), daily drone attacks (radicalizing people even more), huge army operations INSIDE its OWN country ([url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Bajaur[/url], [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Rah-e-Nijat[/url], [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Battle_of_Swat[/url]), NATO helicopters shooting on our border patrol, ethnic violence in Karachi, huge economic crisis (price for food is high, the common Pakistani can not afford anymore) and the list could go on.......... I laugh hard when you say that US don't need Pakistan, they NEED Pakistan in their so-called WoT. Where do you think NATO is getting supplies from? (not from Iran, that's for sure). Causalities mean that due to the failed policy laid by our own leaders + the US has made a lot of problems for Pakistan. The reason why there are bomb blasts every day in Pakistan now is that the puppet government is too corrupt to not receive their yearly dose of money (IT DOES NOT BENEFIT THE COMMON PAKISTANI). Trust me, you can not beat radicalization by bombing and killing even further (even if I WANT it to STOP right NOW). This has been proven throughout the history, when you kill 10 innocent civilians 20 others will join the extremist groups. I think it's good that you can read this from a Pakistani and not only from the US/Western POV.

[QUOTE=thebadboy91;30057498]Let me guess, did you receive 3-4 million Afghani refugees? Daily suicide attacks in the country (some more sophisticated than others), daily drone attacks (radicalizing people even more), huge army operations INSIDE its OWN country ([url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Bajaur[/url], [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Rah-e-Nijat[/url], [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Battle_of_Swat[/url]), NATO helicopters shooting on our border patrol, ethnic violence in Karachi, huge economic crisis (price for food is high, the common Pakistani can not afford anymore) and the list could go on..........[/QUOTE] Yah, the US left without fixing things up and look what happened when the Taliban flourished. They can't leave whenever they want lest it happen again.

[QUOTE=Devodiere;30057553]Yah, the US left without fixing things up and look what happened when the Taliban flourished. They can't leave whenever they want lest it happen again.[/QUOTE] I don't have enough knowledge, but I believe that the US stopped all its support to Afghanistan after the Soviet was brought that. Maybe the Afghanis felt betrayed? (I don't know, I can only speculate). The fact is that the whole mess we are in now is VERY complicated, I don't know even know where to start. You can't state that the US are the good ones and the Pakistanis the bad, it's a lot more nuanced than that. PS: [url]http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakistans-war/[/url] (lots of conspiracies, but a nice forum to discuss the whole situation we are doing here)

[QUOTE=thebadboy91;30057498]I laugh hard when you say that US don't need Pakistan, they NEED Pakistan in their so-called WoT. Where do you think NATO is getting supplies from? (not from Iran, that's for sure). Causalities mean that due to the failed policy laid by our own leaders + the US has made a lot of problems for Pakistan. The reason why there are bomb blasts every day in Pakistan now is that the puppet government is too corrupt to not receive their yearly dose of money (IT DOES NOT BENEFIT THE COMMON PAKISTANI). Trust me, you can not beat radicalization by bombing and killing even further (even if I WANT it to STOP right NOW). This has been proven throughout the history, when you kill 10 innocent civilians 20 others will join the extremist groups. I think it's good that you can read this from a Pakistani and not only from the US/Western POV.[/QUOTE] Uh, they get their own supplies? They do have planes and ships and whatnot to ship stuff in ya know. The reason there are bomb blasts and shit is because they have the Taliban there. Unless they want to get into bed with them that shit ain't gonna stop regardless of what we do. Of course your idea that killing them will radicalise more is pretty stupid because how else are you going to get rid of a terrorist faction? Are they like a hydra and whenever you chop off a head 3 more pop up? It is nothing like that. Also no, they are not a puppet government. This notion that anyone who gets money and cooperates is a puppet is retarded. They are an Islamic Republic and they do whatever the hell they want. I'm all for getting rid of the stupid government but stop whinging about the common Pakistani because this is their government that they have had for fucking ages. [editline]26th May 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=thebadboy91;30057598]I don't have enough knowledge, but I believe that the US stopped all its support to Afghanistan after the Soviet was brought that. Maybe the Afghanis felt betrayed? (I don't know, I can only speculate). The fact is that the whole mess we are in now is VERY complicated, I don't know even know where to start. You can't state that the US are the good ones and the Pakistanis the bad, it's a lot more nuanced than that. PS: [url]http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakistans-war/[/url] (lots of conspiracies, but a nice forum to discuss the whole situation we are doing here)[/QUOTE] Yeah, you really don't have a lot of knowledge on it. Afghanistan was lawless and ruined after the war, this allowed the fundamentalist Taliban to take hold and work with Al Qaeda to be terrorists. It was not intentional, they were broken and couldn't do a damn thing. I know how complicated it is better than you do. Please don't think you can throw some moral ambiguity at me and make everything I say wrong.

I lol'd so hard when you said that the Pakistani government is not a puppet government. Can they do whatever they want in theory? Yeah, but in reality...no. Oh, the joys from an American. You can keep being ignorant, since you're obviously not ready to accept that the majority does not like our government or their policies. You can not stop extremists for being extremists by killing them, this is what you Americans don't understand. You need to think on the humanitarian level, lack of education/future and loss of family due to drone strikes makes you an easy target. I guess the US will learn the hard way (as it did in Vietnam), you will never win against the cockroach, that is - the Taliban. FYI the bomb blasts are not due to Taliban, but a separate branch of it Tehreek Taliban Pakistan (TTP) - just shows how much "knowledge" you have about the region.

[QUOTE=thebadboy91;30057766]I lol'd so hard when you said that the Pakistani government is not a puppet government. Oh, the joys from an American. You can keep being ignorant, since you're obviously not ready to accept that the majority does not like our government or their policies. You can not stop extremists for being extremists by killing them, this is what you Americans don't understand. You need to think on the humanitarian level, lack of education/future and loss of family due to drone strikes makes you an easy target. I guess the US will learn the hard way (as it did in Vietnam), you will never win against the cockroach, that is - the Taliban.[/QUOTE] You do seem to be getting into the conspiracy level because your interpretation is built more on theories than expert research. You warn of things we already know and are working on, you simplify the issue to a stupid level not taking into account the real world, you have a poor understanding of warfare and history. We'd probably have to go a long way back to basic facts simply to discuss anything on an understanding. Also look at the flags down in the bottom. I am Australian, you appear to be from Norway or are using a Norwegian proxy. Just wanted to point that out.

[QUOTE=Devodiere;30057819]You do seem to be getting into the conspiracy level because your interpretation is built more on theories than expert research. You warn of things we already know and are working on, you simplify the issue to a stupid level not taking into account the real world, you have a poor understanding of warfare and history. We'd probably have to go a long way back to basic facts simply to discuss anything on an understanding. Also look at the flags down in the bottom. I am Australian, you appear to be from Norway or are using a Norwegian proxy. Just wanted to point that out.[/QUOTE] Doesn't matter what the flags say, you know lost an argument when you call other people for stupid... Again, you'll learn the hard way. I have to go now......lecture time.

[QUOTE=thebadboy91;30057766]I lol'd so hard when you said that the Pakistani government is not a puppet government. Can they do whatever they want in theory? Yeah, but in reality...no. [B]Oh, the joys from an American[/B]. You can keep being ignorant, since you're obviously not ready to accept that the majority does not like our government or their policies. You can not stop extremists for being extremists by killing them, this is what you Americans don't understand. You need to think on the humanitarian level, lack of education/future and loss of family due to drone strikes makes you an easy target. I guess the US will learn the hard way (as it did in Vietnam), you will never win against the cockroach, that is - the Taliban. FYI the bomb blasts are not due to Taliban, but a separate branch of it Tehreek Taliban Pakistan (TTP) - just shows how much "knowledge" you have about the region.[/QUOTE] You're the one who assumed he was American.

[QUOTE=thebadboy91;30057827]Doesn't matter what the flags say, you know lost an argument when you call other people for stupid... Again, you'll learn the hard way. I have to go now......lecture time.[/QUOTE] What the fuck am I reading?