Steam rising from crippled Fukushima nuclear plant - Polidicks

[QUOTE]Fresh plumes of most probably radioactive steam have been detected rising from the reactor 3 building at the crippled Fukushima nuclear plant, said the facility’s operator company. The steam has been detected by surveillance cameras and appeared to be coming from the fifth floor of the mostly-destroyed building housing crippled reactor 3, according to Tokyo Electric Power Co (TEPCO), the plant’s operator. The steam was first spotted on December 19 for a short period of time, then again on December 24, 25, 27, according to a report TEPCO published on its website.[/QUOTE] Source: [url]http://rt.com/news/fukushima-steam-nuclear-reactor-064/[/url] [YES I KNOW ITS RT] [QUOTE]Yet another unanswered question about the actual state of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant has been added. Last December, mysterious plumes of steam was seen rising from the No. 3 reactor building and it is suspected that they probably contain radioactive materials, raising concerns once again about the safety of those doing decontamination work at the crippled plant. Utility operator Tokyo Electric Power Co. reported on their website that on December 19, 24, 25 and 27, their surveillance cameras detected the rise of the plumes, appearing to come out of the fifth floor of the building.[/QUOTE] 2nd Source: [url]http://japandailypress.com/steam-rises-from-fukushima-reactor-cause-still-unknown-0341788/[/url]

The second source sounds bias as hell.

[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;43399077]The second source sounds bias as hell.[/QUOTE] Put it in there because I know people hate RT, so I gave two sides of the story.

[IMG]http://antinuclearinfo.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/nuke-hazards.jpg[/IMG] [QUOTE=Incoming.;43399089]Put it in there because I know people hate RT, so I gave two sides of the story.[/QUOTE] Well your alternate source is pretty terrible.

[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;43399077]The second source sounds bias as hell.[/QUOTE] The source is entirely anti-nuclear, and just look at the videos on its sidebar. For example: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPwjF4MXFns[/media] [QUOTE=Incoming.;43399089]Put it in there because I know people hate RT, so I gave two sides of the story.[/QUOTE] looks like you overshot the mark.

[QUOTE=Grasp;43399116]looks like you overshot the mark.[/QUOTE] I think I did... I suppose I'll add a better one. Doesn't look like all too many major networks like CNN have reported on it yet.

[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;43399090][IMG]http://antinuclearinfo.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/nuke-hazards.jpg[/IMG] Well your alternate source is pretty terrible.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]to prevent global [B]WARMING[/B][/QUOTE] really [editline]3rd January 2014[/editline] so senstationalist.

[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;43399090][IMG]http://antinuclearinfo.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/nuke-hazards.jpg[/IMG] Well your alternate source is pretty terrible.[/QUOTE] fuck christina

i wish i never found that other website not even going to call it a news agency

Remove all of them but the Japanese source. Use that.

Why don't you throw radioactive materials into a black hole (remember that nothing escapes from it! win-win situation) or make radiation-disintegrating interiors within a highly protected building? That'd do the trick [I]buuuuut[/I] we don't have the technology nor money to produce it. [I]fuck[/I]

[QUOTE=TheAlkaline;43399235]Why don't you throw radioactive materials into a black hole (remember that nothing escapes from it! win-win situation)[/QUOTE] Actually death rays are continually blasted off the poles of black holes as light in the X-ray spectrum. It's theorized that if a black hole somewhere in the galaxy has a pole pointed at earth, everything would be crispy within a matter of seconds.

[QUOTE=GiGaBiTe;43399743]Actually death rays are continually blasted off the poles of black holes as light in the X-ray spectrum. It's theorized that if a black hole somewhere in the galaxy has a pole pointed at earth, everything would be crispy within a matter of seconds.[/QUOTE] ...What? I believe you're thinking of [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_jet]Polar Jets[/url], which are emitted mostly from Quasars and X-Ray Binaries (binary star systems where one partner collapsed into a black hole and is absorbing the other partner, acting as a sort of mini-quasar). The polar jets from X-ray binaries are nowhere near powerful enough to "fry the Earth in a matter of seconds", and quasars are not nearly common enough, nor close enough to do that. I think what you are thinking of is a [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma-ray_burst]Gamma-ray Burst[/url], which occur when massive stars collapse into neutron stars or black holes. However, they are uncommon, and all observed GRBs have happened outside the Milky Way galaxy. If one did happen in our galaxy, the likelihood of it actually being aimed at us are akin to trying to hit a fly with a .22 rifle in an empty, perfectly dark room the size of a warehouse.

[QUOTE=Zombii;43399921]...What? I believe you're thinking of [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_jet]Polar Jets[/url], which are emitted mostly from Quasars and X-Ray Binaries (binary star systems where one partner collapsed into a black hole and is absorbing the other partner, acting as a sort of mini-quasar). The polar jets from X-ray binaries are nowhere near powerful enough to "fry the Earth in a matter of seconds", and quasars are not nearly common enough, nor close enough to do that. I think what you are thinking of is a [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma-ray_burst]Gamma-ray Burst[/url], which occur when massive stars collapse into neutron stars or black holes. However, they are uncommon, and all observed GRBs have happened outside the Milky Way galaxy. If one did happen in our galaxy, the likelihood of it actually being aimed at us are akin to trying to hit a fly with a .22 rifle in an empty, perfectly dark room the size of a warehouse.[/QUOTE] The idea of a star-sized vaporization ray is pretty freaky, though especially once you understand the fucking scale of these things [img]http://www.geobop.org/AContent/images/Sections/Topics/GW/Intro/1_Star_Comparisons.png[/img]

[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;43399090][IMG]http://antinuclearinfo.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/nuke-hazards.jpg[/IMG] [/QUOTE] Hahaha are you fucking kidding me? I thought the fart-plunger gun in Saints Row was the most immature humor I'd laugh at this week.

[QUOTE=TheAlkaline;43399235]Why don't you throw radioactive materials into a black hole (remember that nothing escapes from it! win-win situation) or make radiation-disintegrating interiors within a highly protected building? That'd do the trick [I]buuuuut[/I] we don't have the technology nor money to produce it. [I]fuck[/I][/QUOTE] Maybe I'm wrong but don't we have a nuclear reactor that can run on the waste of old nuclear reactors? And new nuclear reactors that don't generate nearly as much waste? Seems like a self-solving problem if we just push forward with nuclear tech and build some plants with these inside.

[QUOTE=Incoming.;43399089]Put it in there because I know people hate RT, so I gave two sides of the story.[/QUOTE] There is nothing wrong with the RT article, other than the sensationalism, but steam rising from exploded nuclear power plants is sensational in itself. If anything, RT would fit the average FP'rs agenda, as it might be pro-nuclear as nuclear energy is one of Russia's industry-leading technologies.

You know, a very similar thread was posted less than a week ago about the same thing, except its sources said "ITS MELTING DOWN OHMYGOD WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE" Best part is the original japanese source literally just said "steam has been reported from the reactor"

[QUOTE=laserguided;43400317]There is nothing wrong with the RT article, other than the sensationalism, but steam rising from exploded nuclear power plants is sensational in itself. If anything, RT would fit the average FP'rs agenda, as it might be pro-nuclear as nuclear energy is one of Russia's industry-leading technologies.[/QUOTE] RT is awful in the fact that any credibility they have is instantly tossed by using conspiracy theorists to run a point across. According to RT, black helicopters and the Delta Force were conducting secret missions in my home town. Interestingly enough, on that day I was near one of the "zones" and it was an ROTC exercise. That's an anecdote, but the point stands.

It is impossible for nuclear power to have any major catastrophe's guys! Humans are [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late-2000s_financial_crisis]great[/url] at [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wall_Street_Crash_of_1929]making things[/url] that [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans_fat]don't have[/url] any [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thalidomide]unprecedented problems[/url] that only [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tobacco]become apparent[/url] after [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_disaster]it's too late[/url]. So don't worry about it.

Ohgod he's starting the anti-nuclear debate [I]DUCK AND COVER PEOPLE[/I]

[QUOTE=SCopE5000;43402189]It is impossible for nuclear power to have any major catastrophe's guys! Humans are [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late-2000s_financial_crisis]great[/url] at [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wall_Street_Crash_of_1929]making things[/url] that [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans_fat]don't have[/url] any [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thalidomide]unprecedented problems[/url] that only [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tobacco]become apparent[/url] after [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_disaster]it's too late[/url]. So don't worry about it.[/QUOTE] Please don't make me write another essay on why nuclear power is the safest, most efficient, and least deadly power source in human history. Only one of those links has any relation to nuclear energy anyway, and it's to the only commercial reactor accident in history with direct radiation deaths. Can't we just have one week of nobody being retarded on this topic?

[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;43399090][IMG]http://antinuclearinfo.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/nuke-hazards.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] "radiation leaks into the air, water and soil" There are so many things wrong with this.... Radiation does not stay anywhere for any period of time people can count without precision clocks. The particles and radioactive materials do, they emit the radiation, they can all be detected with medium-cost equipment. "Nuclear power - a seemingly quick fix" Nuclear power is the best fuel source, it is possibly the most efficient Kg of matter to J of energy ratio ever in output we can harness as of now. While current nuclear power systems today are fairly dangerous if maintained IMPROPERLY, there are other types that fall under nuclear power, for example: -Fission reactors (current tech) -LTFR reactors (est. 2016) -Fusion Reactors (<50 years tech) -Antimatter annihilation (Who knows...) Solar is all nice and that, but honestly? it is nowhere near efficient enough to use at this stage, we need much more efficient methods of energy storage. batteries are too expensive and high maintenance, pumping up water and releasing it is still very inefficient and flywheels have a fair bit of energy drain and are very bulky and heavy + dangerous if not made perfectly. Hydro is a very good source however there are not enough places to tap it to supply the energy demand the world of 2014 needs, it is also fairly high maintenance and can be dangerous should the dams break due to a slack on maintenance. Wind power is good but ultimately will not be a good solution as wind is not constant and as stated in solar, we have not got efficient enough energy storage solutions. Health from nuclear power should not be a major issue if safety rules are applied and followed, minimizing exposure to radioactive substances. While current nuclear power has very big problems with waste disposal, other types of nuclear power are much safer, generating much less nuclear waste, -snip- check below Nuclear war.... this is only an issue with the traditional reactors, these ones were specifically chosen as at the time they were in a cold war, this meant they could supply power AND supply weapon fuel, thus being chosen. We continue to use these because the companies that make the traditional fission reactors know how to make them well and are reluctant to move to the next type of nuclear power, these other types of nuclear power do not leave fissile material capable of being used in nuclear reactors. Terrorism is only an issue when materials are not protected properly, there has yet to be a single case of a serious nuclear incident so far, however people must continue to protect nuclear material carefully in case of dirty bombs, please note that terrorists could just as easily get the material from many hospitals using it for cancer treatment.. shall we ban that too? (TL:DR) Over all, while nuclear technologies of today are not perfectly safe in some ways, they are still probably the single best solution compared to other technologies, this will, no doubt change in the future as different technologies are discovered and exploited for the energy solutions of tomorrow. (Holy shit i can't believe i just written all that)

[QUOTE=nuttyboffin;43402619]For example LTFR uses 99% of the fuel while traditional fission reactors use only about 1%, LTFR's radioactive waste has a half-life of 30 years while traditional fission reactors have over 24,000 years for their half-life.[/QUOTE] Correction: Gen IVs use 90+% (99% is possible but unlikely for the time being) as opposed to 0.4% (up to 0.6% with MOX recycling) for Gen III (1980s onward) and 0.25% for Gen II (all US reactors, since no nuclear reactors have been built since the 1970s due to the sensationalism behind Three Mile Island). Gen IV waste is dangerous for around 300 (not 30) years as opposed to Gen II & III waste which is dangerous for millions of years. Also keep in mind that Gen IV reactors can use current waste reserves as fuel to supply all worldwide energy needs for the next few centuries. [URL="http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1336387&p=43252922&highlight=#post43252922"]Here, just read this.[/URL]

[QUOTE=SCopE5000;43402189]It is impossible for nuclear power to have any major catastrophe's guys! Humans are [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late-2000s_financial_crisis"]great[/URL] at [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wall_Street_Crash_of_1929"]making things[/URL] that [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans_fat"]don't have[/URL] any [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thalidomide"]unprecedented problems[/URL] that only [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tobacco"]become apparent[/URL] after [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_disaster"]it's too late[/URL]. So don't worry about it.[/QUOTE] Yet it still kills less people than coal power does each year.

oh shit i have to go take my iodine pills in case the steam reaches NY and everyone mutates and dies

[QUOTE=bravehat;43403005]Yet it still kills less people that coal power does each year.[/QUOTE] Same with hydro power, which has hundreds of thousands of deaths tacked on it.

[QUOTE=Snowmew;43402861]Correction: Gen IVs use 90+% (99% is possible but unlikely for the time being) as opposed to 0.4% (up to 0.6% with MOX recycling) for Gen III (1980s onward) and 0.25% for Gen II (all US reactors, since no nuclear reactors have been built since the 1970s due to the sensationalism behind Three Mile Island). Gen IV waste is dangerous for around 300 (not 30) years as opposed to Gen II & III waste which is dangerous for millions of years. Also keep in mind that Gen IV reactors can use current waste reserves as fuel to supply all worldwide energy needs for the next few centuries. [URL="http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1336387&p=43252922&highlight=#post43252922"]Here, just read this.[/URL][/QUOTE] Thankyou, i was not aware of those things, that was written off my current knowlage.

[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;43399090][IMG]http://antinuclearinfo.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/nuke-hazards.jpg[/IMG] Well your alternate source is pretty terrible.[/QUOTE] that chart is horribly horribly inaccurate

[QUOTE=Sableye;43403128]that chart is horribly horribly inaccurate[/QUOTE] Damn! I was expecting such hard hitting facts from antinuclearinfo.wordpress.com too!