Hell Has Frozen Over, Ron Paul & Ralph Nader Form "Progressive-Libertarian Alliance" - Polidicks

[url]http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/01/ron-paul-ralph-nader-agree-on-progressive-libertarian-alliance/[/url] [quote]In this corner, a libertarian, tea party hero who ran several campaigns as a candidate for US president on the Republican ticket. And in that corner, a progressive icon of the left who also ran several campaigns for the US presidency but on the Green Party ticket. One might think the two men, seemingly ideologically opposed to one another, would rather argue than help one another. However, on Wednesday's broadcast of Freedom Watch on the Fox Business channel, Judge Napolitano sat down for an amiable interview with Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX) and Ralph Nader to discuss a progressive-libertarian alliance in the 112th session of respective chambers in Congress. Nader, who has recently called this coalition "the most exciting new political dynamic" in the US today, explained that it works well because both groups stand against corporatists who believe government should be run in the interests of corporations. "I believe in coalitions," Rep. Paul echoed. "They talk about we need more bipartisanship, and I say we have too much bipartisanship because the bipartisanship we have here in Washington endorses corporatism." Paul added that he agreed with Nader on a host of issues, such as cutting the US military's budget, ending undeclared US wars overseas, restoring civil liberties and civil rights by dumping from the Patriot Act, and withdrawing from the NAFTA and World Trade Organization agreements. "I think we should come together and work together, and I think we can," he said, noting that the coalition had previously worked on deficit financing solutions. Rep. Paul and Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT), the most conservative and most liberal members of their respective chambers, joined forces last session to fight for an audit of the Federal Reserve, a private institution that handles the America's monetary policy, which Nader explained is under no legal control of Congress. "The banks fund the Fed," Nader said. "It doesn't go through the congressional appropriations process as it should under our constitution." Paul is the current chairman of a congressional subcommittee that would conduct oversight on the US Federal Reserve bank He explained, however, that he would not have the subpoena power to force Tim Geithner, US Treasury Secretary, and Ben Bernanke, the chairman of the Federal Reserve, to testify under oath about the Fed's policies. That power is in the hands of the chairman of the full committee, he said. "But that doesn't mean we'll go lightly on digging up for this information because Ralph is absolutely right on this thing," Paul said. When asked, Nader stopped short of endorsing a full repeal of the Federal Reserve. "The Fed, whatever it does, should be a cabinet-level, accountable institution," he proposed instead. Paul also reiterated his stance that spending on overseas bases in US military's budget should be cut and that US troops should be brought home.[/quote] Fuck year, now we're going to have 4 parties, with one being there to suck all the stupid away from the other 3

Political parties working together? [B]I want to believe[/B]

Holy Hell, They might actually get something done.

Give it up Ralph Nader

I'd vote for them.

I like this because it might lead to a government with more than 2 parties, the way it is currently you only have 2 choices, democrat and republican. and IMO both parties are pretty terrible at taking care of US citizens.

Hopefully Nader can keep Paul's crazy in check.

The thing that irritates me about Ron Paul is the fact that half his ideas aren't half bad, but the other half are fucking stupid.

[QUOTE=Billiam;27602661]The thing that irritates me about Ron Paul is the fact that half his ideas aren't half bad, but the other half are fucking stupid.[/QUOTE] A good example of the later category would be getting rid of the federal government, or letting corporations discriminate, or returning to the gold standard.

[QUOTE=Kagrenak;27602673]A good example of the later category would be getting rid of the federal government, or letting corporations discriminate, or returning to the gold standard.[/QUOTE] Excellent point. The vast majority of Ron Paul's ideas are stupid.

A political party that sounds good? Well slap my ass and call me Sally a few times, this might just work out.

[quote]Nader, who has recently called this coalition "the most exciting new political dynamic" in the US today, explained that it works well because both groups stand against corporatists who believe government should be run in the interests of corporations. [/quote] This is exactly what we need

[QUOTE=Pace.;27602699]This is exactly what we need[/QUOTE] That's pretty much why I always voted Nader, despite the vote doing jackshit.

This is pretty awesome! I hope it goes somewhere because we really need this.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;27602686]Excellent point. The vast majority of Ron Paul's ideas are stupid.[/QUOTE] 50/50, some are really dumb and some are extremely smart.

[QUOTE=Starpluck;27602916]50/50, some are really dumb and some are extremely smart.[/QUOTE] That cut changes a lot when you aren't in the progressive part of the alliance. So you must ask yourself only one question: progressive or horde

[QUOTE=s0beit;27602925]That cut changes a lot when you aren't in the progressive part of the alliance. So you must ask yourself only one question: progressive or horde[/QUOTE] so now it's 70/30 with them combined Kicks the shit out of the Democratic and Republican party [editline]23rd January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Zeke129;27602686]Excellent point. The vast majority of Ron Paul's ideas are stupid.[/QUOTE] What ideas specifically

Conundrum. I agree with a lot of their ideas, but I hate them both.

[QUOTE=Broseph_;27603007]What ideas specifically[/QUOTE] Probably anything related to companies and freedom of trade, or being paid adequately for your work. Those two things are about as bad as baby rape on facepunch.

[QUOTE=Billiam;27602661]The thing that irritates me about Ron Paul is the fact that half his ideas aren't half bad, but the other half are fucking stupid.[/QUOTE] I feel the exact same way.

[QUOTE=StupidUsername67;27603487]Conundrum. I agree with a lot of their ideas, but I hate them both.[/QUOTE] there's no reason to dislike Ralph Nader apart from disagreeing with his ideas or having some shallow "i hate hippies/environmentalists/whatever" sentiment. He's just a nice old guy who has never done anything bad to anyone. [editline]23rd January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=s0beit;27603899]Probably anything related to companies and freedom of trade, or being paid adequately for your work. Those two things are about as bad as baby rape on facepunch.[/QUOTE] so, you're going to be FP's newest conservative troll? Welp, there's coffee in the breakroom, and remember: your can never lay your "Facepunch is full of liberals who say lots of mean things about conservatives!" persecution complex on too thick

[QUOTE=s0beit;27603899]Probably anything related to companies and freedom of trade, or being paid adequately for your work. Those two things are about as bad as baby rape on facepunch.[/QUOTE] The fuck is with you neocons on here? Can you seriously be less stupid for me? Freedom of trade? No one is stopping that. No one wants to. Regulations need to be there. We've been through years of unregulated and it didn't work out so well. So why do it again? Seriously, it's like the conservatives just crawl out of the woodwork to tell you that not doing the same failed thing over and over again is a bad idea.

Everybody vote for the PLA! Long live the People's Liberation Army!

[QUOTE=Kagrenak;27602673]A good example of the later category would be getting rid of the federal government, or letting corporations discriminate, or returning to the gold standard.[/QUOTE] What the fuck is wrong with returning the the gold standard.

So can someone explain roughly what their stances/platform would be?

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;27604339]The fuck is with you neocons on here? Can you seriously be less stupid for me? Freedom of trade? No one is stopping that. No one wants to. Regulations need to be there. We've been through years of unregulated and it didn't work out so well. So why do it again? Seriously, it's like the conservatives just crawl out of the woodwork to tell you that not doing the same failed thing over and over again is a bad idea.[/QUOTE] calling me a neocon? you know you have read my posts before, and last time you were agreeing. It's true though, i mean, i made a simple post in jest and you all flipped the fuck out in a hilarious fashion. Maybe i [i]should[/i] start trolling, it's way too easy.

[QUOTE=s0beit;27608494]calling me a neocon? you know you have read my posts before, and last time you were agreeing. It's true though, i mean, i made a simple post in jest and you all flipped the fuck out in a hilarious fashion. Maybe i [i]should[/i] start trolling, it's way too easy.[/QUOTE] funny how being a conservative is often mistaken for someone who is intentionally being stupid. tells you something

Everytime I see a Ron paul thread I always see this picture in my head: [img]http://www.thetruthorthefight.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Ron-Paul.jpg[/img] :saddowns: Goddammit why can't I get it out of my head.

[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;27608561]funny how being a conservative is often mistaken for someone who is intentionally being stupid. tells you something[/QUOTE] funny how being a liberal is often mistaken for being a stuffy elitist cunt tells you something

[QUOTE=s0beit;27608619]funny how being a liberal is often mistaken for being a stuffy elitist cunt tells you something[/QUOTE] lol quick lash out at liberalism