Taliban massacres 10 mountain climbers, calls it "retribution". - Polidicks

[QUOTE]PESHAWAR, Pakistan — Gunmen stormed a camp on Pakistan’s second-largest mountain Sunday, killing nine foreign climbers, including a U.S. citizen, in a brazen assault that could deal a blow to the country’s efforts to jump-start its tourism industry. The Pakistani Taliban asserted responsibility for the attack, calling it retribution for a suspected U.S. drone strike last month that killed Wali ur-Rehman, the second in command of the terrorist group.[/QUOTE] One American, two Chinese, one Nepalese, one Russian, five Ukrainians killed while they slept. [URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/taliban-kills-foreign-climbers/2013/06/23/a811ea4c-dbef-11e2-a484-7b7f79cd66a1_story.html"]http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/taliban-kills-foreign-climbers/2013/06/23/a811ea4c-dbef-11e2-a484-7b7f79cd66a1_story.html[/URL]

Man, these guys do not understand that people don't like to be pushed around. You don't fuck with Nepal on no mountains. These were the guys who fought off the British Empire at their height and were offered friendship.

You also don't fuck with the Chinese. Also, Why do people want to go to Pakistan right now? It's the most horrible place you could be a tourist right now.

And you shouldn't give Russia and Ukraine a reason to use their weapons instead of selling them.

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;41180879]Man, these guys do not understand that people don't like to be pushed around. You don't fuck with Nepal on no mountains. These were the guys who fought off the British Empire at their height and were offered friendship.[/QUOTE] So Nepal is going to do what the an entire coalition couldn't do in decades? right.

This is what the eastern cultures don't understand. In the western world, if someone fucks with you, we don't bow down to submission, we actively seek revenge.

[QUOTE=The golden;41180894]I wasn't even aware Pakistan had a tourism industry. :v: Especially considering big chunks of Pakistan are essentially run by the Taliban.[/QUOTE] Mountain climbing (I mean real mountain climbing here) is for adrenalin junkies, so is going into warzones

[QUOTE=NoDachi;41180902]So Nepal is going to do what the an entire coalition couldn't do in decades? right.[/QUOTE] When did I even say that they were going to be dismantled? And hey, smell the flowers, the Taliban doesn't control large portions of Afghanistan. They still exist, but they don't have governing authority as they did before.

Read about this the other day, such sad news. So much planning and training goes into an ascent like this and they just end up being robbed and killed.

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;41180904]This is what the eastern cultures don't understand. In the western world, if someone fucks with you, we don't bow down to submission, we actively seek revenge.[/QUOTE] What do you think caused this ''retribution'' act in the first place?

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;41180904]This is what the eastern cultures don't understand. In the western world, if someone fucks with you, we don't bow down to submission, we actively seek revenge.[/QUOTE] what are you even tripping on about [editline]25th June 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Paul McCartney;41180922]When did I even say that they were going to be dismantled? And hey, smell the flowers, the Taliban doesn't control large portions of Afghanistan. They still exist, but they don't have governing authority as they did before.[/QUOTE] I'm just curious why you're saying what you are. Nepal isn't going to do anything. Not to mention they lost against the British. Unlike you claimed.

[QUOTE=WeekendWarrior;41180927]What do you think caused this ''retribution'' act in the first place?[/QUOTE] Listed right there. We killed their commander. All I'm saying is that they don't understand that you can't just drive a person out by killing random people who have a skin color, it only motivates intervention.

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;41180959]Listed right there. We killed their commander. All I'm saying is that they don't understand that you can't just drive a person out by killing random people who have a skin color, it only motivates intervention.[/QUOTE] The irony being that western intervention is a root cause of attacks similar to this.

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;41180904]This is what the eastern cultures don't understand. In the western world, if someone fucks with you, we don't bow down to submission, we actively seek revenge.[/QUOTE] Believe me, it's the same in the East. The Taliban know this well - They simply don't give a fuck.

We should just NOT GO THERE, isolate travel and shit.

You generally don't fuck with America either iirc

Christ, pissing off the Ukrainians, Russians, Americans and Chinese all in one go

And why are negotiating with these savages again?

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;41180879]Man, these guys do not understand that people don't like to be pushed around. You don't fuck with Nepal on no mountains. These were the guys who fought off the British Empire at their height and were offered friendship.[/QUOTE] Talking about people who don't like getting pushed around, isn't the Taliban the highest example of that? Besides, nothing is going to happen just because 10 people died.

IIRC one lithuanian was killed there too and its all because of islamic shitheads demanding to convert to islam

[QUOTE=SexualShark;41182430]And why are negotiating with these savages again?[/QUOTE] I wouldn't call tourists being murdered as negotiating As far as trying to stop them, you can't, so you might as well take the lesser road of negotiations The taliban are essentially warlords, and you can't stop warlords because they are generally a country in of themselves, except they don't actually have any legally recognized territory (only what they decide to claim). In order to stop the taliban by force you'd have to somehow know every single taliban in existence and kill them all at once. If you kill leadership someone else will rise to be the leader and and encourage more people to join them. We tried cutting off their source of income (because without any money/connections they wouldn't have the guns and equipment to hold any real power) but it proved to be either impossible or morally ambiguous. The taliban makes most of their money from selling poppy/opium on the market (aka the shit that heroine is derived from), and almost all of the poppy grown for the taliban are grown by innocent afghani and pakistani farmers just trying to get by. We tried burning or destorying all their poppy crop, but not only did this prove extremely expensive to do on the large scale that the Taliban have, like a good virus the taliban adapted - they would mix in growing poppy between fields of food, or have poppy grown in villages between homes, etc. So if we were to destroy these fields, we would also end up destroying innocent people's homes and food sources, which would encourage more people to join the taliban for revenge. The other issue is that simply put, poppy sales make bank for the innocent farmers in taliban control/territories. Poppy's natural growing environment is perfect for afghanistan and pakistan, because you don't need expensive irrigation to do it and it grows well in the arid climate. It also makes much more money (being a drug) than growing food crops or other cash crops, which let the farmers actually get by. There have been attempts to try and get farmers to not grow poppy (and as such give money to taliban) but they eventually just switch back in the end because growing anything else is so hard to do in afghanistan and nothing makes as much money as poppy. Not to mention the taliban are kind of warlords you don't want to say no to (not that they would outright slaughter their own people, because that would hurt their recruitment image). So you can't kill the taliban because they are too big and would just multiply if you try and do so (you'd have to kill them all at once to do it which is impossible). You can't stop their source of income/power because the innocent farmers living in afghanistan and pakistan need to grow that source of income to survive (and there aren't any other options, because nothing else can really grow there or make as much), and they tend to grow this source of income in areas that would involve killing many innocents to stop. So how do you stop them then? That's the big question. The best answer so far is to just, let them be and do their thing and hope the general population of afghanistan and pakistan eventually no longer support them to the point where they can never find any more recruits. The only way that's possible is by stop pissing off the Taliban, stop pissing off the natives, and somehow improve the quality of life in afghanistan/pakistan (which might end up giving the Taliban more power as people might see them as the reason they are doing well off). The good news is the taliban generally don't care about the outside world at all, they just hate anyone who isn't them inside their sphere of influence. It's people like al qaeda that are the biggest threats, since they actually do care about the outside world enough to do shit like 9/11, and they tend to get their funding/resources/etc from the Taliban since they are bro's.

The U.S is shocked and appauled and is now canceling all of its drone operations /sarcasam Really what the hell do they think will happen. The have to know that this is only going to make it so now they are mostlikely going to be killed too now.

This is all very "eye for an eye".

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;41180896]And you shouldn't give Russia and Ukraine a reason to use their weapons instead of selling them.[/QUOTE] And never go against a Sicilian when death is on the line!

God damnit BroTeam

[QUOTE=KorJax;41183425]I wouldn't call tourists being murdered as negotiating As far as trying to stop them, you can't, so you might as well take the lesser road of negotiations The taliban are essentially warlords, and you can't stop warlords because they are generally a country in of themselves, except they don't actually have any legally recognized territory (only what they decide to claim). In order to stop the taliban by force you'd have to somehow know every single taliban in existence and kill them all at once. If you kill leadership someone else will rise to be the leader and and encourage more people to join them. We tried cutting off their source of income (because without any money/connections they wouldn't have the guns and equipment to hold any real power) but it proved to be either impossible or morally ambiguous. The taliban makes most of their money from selling poppy/opium on the market (aka the shit that heroine is derived from), and almost all of the poppy grown for the taliban are grown by innocent afghani and pakistani farmers just trying to get by. We tried burning or destorying all their poppy crop, but not only did this prove extremely expensive to do on the large scale that the Taliban have, like a good virus the taliban adapted - they would mix in growing poppy between fields of food, or have poppy grown in villages between homes, etc. So if we were to destroy these fields, we would also end up destroying innocent people's homes and food sources, which would encourage more people to join the taliban for revenge. The other issue is that simply put, poppy sales make bank for the innocent farmers in taliban control/territories. Poppy's natural growing environment is perfect for afghanistan and pakistan, because you don't need expensive irrigation to do it and it grows well in the arid climate. It also makes much more money (being a drug) than growing food crops or other cash crops, which let the farmers actually get by. There have been attempts to try and get farmers to not grow poppy (and as such give money to taliban) but they eventually just switch back in the end because growing anything else is so hard to do in afghanistan and nothing makes as much money as poppy. Not to mention the taliban are kind of warlords you don't want to say no to (not that they would outright slaughter their own people, because that would hurt their recruitment image). So you can't kill the taliban because they are too big and would just multiply if you try and do so (you'd have to kill them all at once to do it which is impossible). You can't stop their source of income/power because the innocent farmers living in afghanistan and pakistan need to grow that source of income to survive (and there aren't any other options, because nothing else can really grow there or make as much), and they tend to grow this source of income in areas that would involve killing many innocents to stop. So how do you stop them then? That's the big question. The best answer so far is to just, let them be and do their thing and hope the general population of afghanistan and pakistan eventually no longer support them to the point where they can never find any more recruits. The only way that's possible is by stop pissing off the Taliban, stop pissing off the natives, and somehow improve the quality of life in afghanistan/pakistan (which might end up giving the Taliban more power as people might see them as the reason they are doing well off). The good news is the taliban generally don't care about the outside world at all, they just hate anyone who isn't them inside their sphere of influence. It's people like al qaeda that are the biggest threats, since they actually do care about the outside world enough to do shit like 9/11, and they tend to get their funding/resources/etc from the Taliban since they are bro's.[/QUOTE] Dude your writing pulls you in. That was a really informative read thanks

Thanks :v: I feel like most of the time I go on tangents. Amazing what a single elective class on comparative non-western environments will do on one's awareness of how complex the issues are that plague certain regions of the world.

[QUOTE=SexualShark;41182430]And why are negotiating with these savages again?[/QUOTE] Pakistani Taliban =/= Afgan Taliban.

Sounds like they want more drones to visit.