Democrats are staging a sit-in on the House floor over gun control
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[quote]Just days after four gun control measures failed to pass in the U.S. Senate, House Democrats are staging their own protest on the floor of the lower chamber over firearm safety legislation.
A group of over two dozen legislators sat down cross-legged in the middle of the House floor Wednesday, pushing for gun control votes.
The group included civil rights icon Rep, John Lewis, D-Georgia, Kentucky's Rep. John Yarmuth, and Rep. Joe Courtney of Connecticut.[/quote]
Doesn't seem very Democratic what they are trying to do.
[QUOTE=Cocacoladude;50567609]Doesn't seem very Democratic what they are trying to do.[/QUOTE]
Welcome to representative democracy. Filled with sit-ins, filibusters, brawls in parliament and pushing someone else's big red button.
Seems like a good way of saying they're doing this for themselves and that they just want more power over guns.
oh man american politics are just one big sitcom at this point
[QUOTE=Glaber;50567646]Seems like a good way of saying they're doing this for themselves and that they just want more power over guns.[/QUOTE]
They're doing it because the majority of Americans are in favor of additional gun control measures (generally dealing with background checks) yet the GOP seems to care more about the NRA backing them than the wishes of their constituents.
It'd be better for them to focus on things such as infrastructure and industry reforms, as well as looking into what special privileges large companies are given to put their jobs overseas. If people have more jobs and more money at home, the crime rate will begin to plummet, it's seen all over Europe. Increased funding for police forces, decriminalization of drugs and the streamlining of education could seriously help in the creation of safer communities in America, as less people will be forced to turn to crime to get even their most basic income.
Instead, they want to institute feelgood measures like they did with the original AWB, which accomplished nothing and didn't stop one of the most infamous shootings of all time, Columbine. By the way, all the weapons used in the Columbine shooting were considered legal under the AWB.
[quote]In the latest legislative battle over firearm safety Monday, after Democrats staged a nearly 15-hour filibuster, [B]Senate Republicans blocked four amendments[/B] that would have expanded criminal background checks before gun purchases and instituted a "no fly, no buy" policy for those on federal terror watch lists, among other policies.[/quote]
What bullshit. Two of those measures were PROPOSED BY REPUBLICANS and blocked by DEMOCRATS.
[quote]After the four measures failed to advance, Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine, unveiled legislation Tuesday to prevent terrorists from obtaining guns. Its backers say the bill could actually win over a 60-vote majority and pass through the Senate.[/quote]
Oh, so there's already more legislation coming from the Senate Republicans that could actually represent compromise... but nope let's not talk about that, let's hold a sit-in on the House floor to complain about obstructionist Republicans!
I am actually legitimately angry over how the Democrats are handling this, and how the media is propagating the line that it's those big evil NRA-owned republicans blocking all legislation.
Did they forget the GOP did provide two control measures that their party shot down?
And that, as far as I know, the Senate is working with both parties to provide a new bill that compromises on both sides?
What's the point of this other than stupid publicity.
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[QUOTE=elfbarf;50567662]They're doing it because the majority of Americans are in favor of additional gun control measures (generally dealing with background checks) yet the GOP seems to care more about the NRA backing them than the wishes of their constituents.[/QUOTE]
If a place voted for a Republican as their representative, I highly doubt they want gun control.
What the hell happened to the Democrats? Used to be they were inspiring some big changes like Weed Legalization and decriminalization and gay marriage rights. Now they're acting like fucking children?
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;50567731]What the hell happened to the Democrats? Used to be they were inspiring some big changes like Weed Legalization and decriminalization and gay marriage rights. Now they're acting like fucking children?[/QUOTE]
Breaking News: Democrats are humans too
When did sit-ins and protests suddenly become childish? A lot of good has been accomplished by stunts like this.
I guess they only look good in retrospect, especially if it's successful.
[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;50567731]What the hell happened to the Democrats? Used to be they were inspiring some big changes like Weed Legalization and decriminalization and gay marriage rights. Now they're acting like fucking children?[/QUOTE]
You probably grew up a little and realized you were putting them on a pedestal and convincing yourself that they could do no wrong before?
I hate to sound like grandpa but that is how it usually happens.
[QUOTE=person11;50567750]When did sit-ins and protests suddenly become childish? A lot of good has been accomplished by stunts like this.
I guess they only look good in retrospect, especially if it's successful.[/QUOTE]
It's childish because they're politicians and representatives that actually have a democratic say in government to achieve their goals but because their feel-good laws got shot down (democratically!) they chose to protest in a way that literally achieves nothing but more feel-good publicity.
"Oh, we can either make a more workable law that appeals to both sides or we can sit on the House floor and say to the media 'look, we're protesting, we're doing something!!'"
They can fuck right off. I'm all for sensible legislation that at least attempts to stall terrorists and crazies without making a mockery of due process and the 2nd Amendment. But we're never going to get that passing knee-jerk bills in the wake of a tragedy like they're trying to do. They need to think rationally on this one and they're not gonna do that right now.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;50567775]"Oh, we can either make a more workable law that appeals to both sides'"[/QUOTE]
Yeah because it's that simple
I'm sorry, but if I saw those old farts sitting on the floor I'd just find it amusing.
[QUOTE=elfbarf;50567662]They're doing it because the majority of Americans are in favor of additional gun control measures (generally dealing with background checks) yet the GOP seems to care more about the NRA backing them than the wishes of their constituents.[/QUOTE]
Crack sentencing was overwhelmingly supported by Americans, particularly black communities back in the 80's. Look how well that turned out. Hell the majority of Americans wanted to impose a temporary ban on letting Muslims immigrate into this country. A majority opinion doesn't necessarily equate to an informed opinion.
Barring people of their rights because they're on a watch list with no due process is a major issue and shouldn't be something people are seriously considering.
So they fillibuster for 15 hours for gun control, then vote down 2 gun control propositions because they didn't write them, and now they're staging a sit-in because the two they did write also got voted down. Maybe all 4 bills wouldn't be defeated if you were willing to work with people outside your own party, you fucking idiots. This is not only childish and stupid, but extremely undemocratic. You should have just voted for the proposals that had bipartisan support you fucking cunts. But you're so far up your own ass with "us vs them" and trying to brute force through your own agenda without compromise, so now you've got nothing done instead.
They should at least pass the one which was gonna give funding to the CDC to conduct research into this. I can't see why that one would be disagreeable or controversial.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;50567804]They should at least pass the one which was gonna give funding to the CDC to conduct research into this. I can't see why that one would be disagreeable or controversial.[/QUOTE]
Was it [I]only[/I] about letting the CDC divert funds into researching gun violence and regulation or did it come with a bunch of riders?
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;50567804]They should at least pass the one which was gonna give funding to the CDC to conduct research into this. I can't see why that one would be disagreeable or controversial.[/QUOTE]
Because the CDC was openly bias against them, you've been told that several times already. It's the same reason you don't trust health studies by junkfood companies. The research isn't meant to be impartial or informative, the conclusion was drawn before it started, and intended to serve a specific goal envisioned by the researcher.
Childish? Politicians sitting on the floor? Go tell that to the folks who play dead or starve themselves during a protest.
[QUOTE=Duck M.;50567790]Yeah because it's that simple[/QUOTE]
Doesn't matter if it's not simple, that's just what they should be doing.
[QUOTE=Duck M.;50567790]Yeah because it's that simple[/QUOTE]
Oh I'm sorry
I forgot how productive this current action is
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;50567804]They should at least pass the one which was gonna give funding to the CDC to conduct research into this. I can't see why that one would be disagreeable or controversial.[/QUOTE]
Because the CDC was defunded because the person in charge openly admitted that the only thing that he wanted the CDC to do with its "research" was demonize guns.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;50567838]Oh I'm sorry
I forgot how productive this current action is[/QUOTE]
Probably more productive than the least productive and most gridlocked congress of all time yeah
[QUOTE=Duck M.;50567877]Probably more productive than the least productive and most gridlocked congress of all time yeah[/QUOTE]
Sitting down doing nothing is more productive than working on a compromise bill (which the Senate is actually doing!)? Okay then, whatever helps you cope with reality.
[QUOTE=Chaitin;50567826]Childish? Politicians sitting on the floor? Go tell that to the folks who play dead or starve themselves during a protest.[/QUOTE]
No it's childish that they're throwing a fit because the two bills they wrote didn't pass. Nevermind the fact that they defeated two other bills just because they didn't write them. They got nothing because they weren't willing to work with Republicans at all. And now they're sitting on the floor whining about it.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;50567885]Sitting down doing nothing is more productive than working on a compromise bill (which the Senate is actually doing!)? Okay then, whatever helps you cope with reality.[/QUOTE]
Is this the first you've heard of a sit-in? You know that they've been a thing for ages, right?
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