You can swap a Tesla battery faster than you can fill a tank of gas.
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[quote][b]Tesla Motors Inc. (TSLA), already adding a network of fast-charging stations for its luxury electric cars, is readying a service to rapidly swap a car’s battery with a charged pack for added convenience.[/b]
The company, based in Palo Alto, California, announced last week plans for a June 20 press conference at its design studio in Hawthorne, California, to show [b]“a way for the Tesla Model S to be recharged faster than you could fill a gas tank.”[/b]
Chief Executive Officer Elon Musk, in a Twitter post today, said the event would feature a “live pack swap” demonstration at 8 p.m. California time on June 20. “Seeing is believing.” [/quote]
[quote][b]“Battery pack swap works with all Tesla Model S cars, past and present,” Musk said in a later Twitter post. “It was always there.”[/b]
The carmaker named for inventor Nikola Tesla said last month it will triple the number of solar-powered supercharger stations by the end of June to allow its customers to drive cross-country.
Tesla rose 1.2 percent to $103.39 at the close in New York. The shares surged have 205 percent this year, compared with a 16 percent increase for the Russell 1000 Index. [/quote]
[url]http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-06-18/tesla-plans-model-s-battery-swap-as-fast-refueling-option.html[/url]
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I hope they upload a video of the event soon. I need to see this.
That's either a really small battery or there are a lot of said small batteries.
So when are they gonna release a stationwagon model that can both haul ass AND haul shit at the same time?
[QUOTE=pentium;41114471]That's either a really small battery or there are a lot of said small batteries.[/QUOTE]
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(Spoiler: It's full of standard Panasonic rechargeable batteries)
It sits underneith this:
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That's everything you need to make the car go places. You just plop a body of your choice on top and you're good to go.
[QUOTE=Van-man;41114483]So when are they gonna release a stationwagon model that can both haul ass AND haul shit at the same time?[/QUOTE]
Model S has more storage capacity than your average car simply because it has no big engine. You got a full size trunk in the front, a full size trunk in the rear, and all the seats can go down (except front two) so you can fit pretty much anything inside. The up coming Model X SUV will be able to hold more, as it's generally bigger in all ways. Since you don't have an engine in the front, the whole front of the car is a crumple zone. Safety!
I want to see this car succeed so badly
This car is a huge success, the problem is the price.
[QUOTE=areolop;41114579]I want to see this car succeed so badly[/QUOTE]
Seriously. This company is making leaps in bounds in electric vehicle feasibility but it's just so expensive.
If I had 80 grand or however much I would throw my money at them so fast. It's a good looking car with reasonable performance and a 17" touch screen for fucks sake.
I just realized the event is actually [i]tonight[/i]. For some reason I was thinking it had already happened.
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[QUOTE=OvB;41114726]I just realized the event is actually [i]tonight[/i]. For some reason I was thinking it had already happened.
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[QUOTE=pentium;41114471]That's either a really small battery or there are a lot of said small batteries.[/QUOTE]
its like a big battery that just slides out, on tesla cars they build them as packs and not into the frame like the volt has
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i saw one of these the other day amazingly enough, though what the hell its doing in the middle of ohio i have no clue, but it was oberlin ohio so thats like the san fransisco of the midwest
[QUOTE=wanksta11;41114623]This car is a huge success, the problem is the price.[/QUOTE]
More accurately, the price of the battery pack.
This is the beginning of a great age of innovation
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here's the pack, so as you can see it probably slides out using some sort of latch mechanism for servicing and they just figure, lets change it for charging too
But how much capacity do these batteries have? How many megajoules of electricity can they hold? Apparently gasoline has around 137 megajoules locked up in each gallon of the stuff.
That's an awesome idea. The time it takes to charge the battery is less than it'll take for them to run out of fully charged batteries, so why not just change it out. Might cost a bit more because you're essentially getting a new-ish battery every time, but then it's easier to keep them serviced and such....
[QUOTE=Lambadvanced;41114802]This is the beginning of a great age of innovation[/QUOTE]
From reusable, landing rockets, to solar power, to quality electric vehicles, Elon Musk is the renaissance man of this century.
[QUOTE=ironman17;41114848]But how much capacity do these batteries have? How many megajoules of electricity can they hold? Apparently gasoline has around 137 megajoules locked up in each gallon of the stuff.[/QUOTE]
However gas engines have a very low efficiency.
ya an electric motor is like 90% efficient, gas engines or any thermal engine has a problem topping ~45% efficiency
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i wonder though how this will be implimented because batterys like this are like tank-share programs for propane tanks, you don't know what the last guy was doing with it, you just have to expect that they inspected it before recharging it
[QUOTE=ironman17;41114848]But how much capacity do these batteries have? How many megajoules of electricity can they hold? Apparently gasoline has around 137 megajoules locked up in each gallon of the stuff.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=ironman17;41114848]But how much capacity do these batteries have? How many megajoules of electricity can they hold? Apparently gasoline has around 137 megajoules locked up in each gallon of the stuff.[/QUOTE]
There's a 60kWh and a 85kWh option.
As for gasoline's energy storage, don't forget, you're never going to get the maximum work out of that energy. Just because it releases 137MJ of energy per gallon combusted, doesn't mean you can use all of that. Not even considering the efficiency of the engine itself.
[QUOTE=ironman17;41114848]But how much capacity do these batteries have? How many megajoules of electricity can they hold? Apparently gasoline has around 137 megajoules locked up in each gallon of the stuff.[/QUOTE]
You have an option of either a 60kWh or 85kWh battery.
1 kilowatt hour = 3.6 megajoules
So about 216-306 megajoules total.
I think idk I'm not the best at electrical engineering stuff.
Still doesnt fix the long charge times.
Its like telling a car owner "Your car ran out of gas, so we are going to swap out your gas tank with a full one."
Plus, filling a car doesnt take long to begin with. Though, the new pumps seem to be slower than the older ones ive used.
Want to fill a car faster? Throw in a fuel cell. When it runs out, swap in a full one
[QUOTE=FordLord;41115008]Still doesnt fix the long charge times.
Its like telling a car owner "Your car ran out of gas, so we are going to swap out your gas tank with a full one."
Plus, filling a car doesnt take long to begin with. Though, the new pumps seem to be slower than the older ones ive used.
[b]Want to fill a car faster? Throw in a fuel cell. When it runs out, swap in a full one[/b][/QUOTE]
What do you think this is doing?
[QUOTE=FordLord;41115008]
Want to fill a car faster? Throw in a fuel cell. When it runs out, swap in a full one[/QUOTE]
Alright, you lift and install a new filled gas tank by yourself
Hah, I always figured this was the obvious solution to battery charging woes.
Open a panel located on the side of the vehicle, slide a long rectangular cell out and place it on a rack for charging. Replace it with a freshly charged one from said rack. Close side panel and roll. If there is standardization in the battery design, then it would work great.
[QUOTE=OvB;41115032]What do you think this is doing?[/QUOTE]
Swapping used batteries :V
As someone else pointed out, it could also be bad because you dont know the condition of the batteries. You could be swapping your perfectly good one thats just low on juice, for one that doesnt even hold a charge properly
Theres no need to swap fuel cells, as filling a car is quick. Im basically trying to show you that having to swap batteries is as ridiculous as pulling the gas tank or a fuel cell out of your car every time it runs out. Actually, even more ridiculous, considering swapping a gas tank atleast gives you fresh fuel
[QUOTE=FordLord;41115008]Still doesnt fix the long charge times.
Its like telling a car owner "Your car ran out of gas, so we are going to swap out your gas tank with a full one."
Plus, filling a car doesnt take long to begin with. Though, the new pumps seem to be slower than the older ones ive used.
Want to fill a car faster? Throw in a fuel cell. When it runs out, swap in a full one[/QUOTE]
Yeah I don't understand your point.
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[QUOTE=FordLord;41115158]Swapping used batteries :V
As someone else pointed out, it could also be bad because you dont know the condition of the batteries. You could be swapping your perfectly good one thats just low on juice, for one that doesnt even hold a charge properly
Theres no need to swap fuel cells, as filling a car is quick. Im basically trying to show you that having to swap batteries is as ridiculous as pulling the gas tank or a fuel cell out of your car every time it runs out. Actually, even more ridiculous, considering swapping a gas tank atleast gives you fresh fuel[/QUOTE]
They could simply check the newly returned ones/recharged cells before they go out, and if they're damaged they could find the person who did it via credit card (and settle behind the scenes).
Either way, why do you guys care about someone else's logistics? They handled all these details. I believe this is what propane tanks already do.
[QUOTE=DoctorSalt;41115173]Yeah I don't understand your point.
They could simply check the newly returned ones/recharged cells before they go out, and if they're damaged they could find the person who did it via credit card (and settle behind the scenes).
Either way, why do you guys care about someone else's logistics? They handled all these details. I believe this is what propane tanks already do.[/QUOTE]
I somewhat doubt Tesla would take the time to check cells and such, most likely just throw it on a charger and call it good until someone complains. Though we will have to wait and see.
They could track the person down, though if the battery does make it into someone car and performs like crap, theyll be in trouble.
Propane tanks are similar, however theyre dealing with a flammable gas and are regulated more.
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