[QUOTE]A second wave of tuition-fee rises has been signalled, which will apply to all standards of university in England.
This will take tuition fees over £9,500 for students beginning university courses in autumn 2018.
The government has said higher fees will be linked to teaching quality - but plans released on Thursday suggest that all three quality bands can apply the same increase.
This will include those "significantly below benchmark in one or more areas".
The government has already announced an increase to £9,250 for autumn 2017 - if the Houses of Parliament approve plans to lift the current cap of £9,000.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-37510744[/url]
As a german, paying for university, and this much nonetheless, is absolutely inconceivable.
I'm going to leave uni with huge debts which will cost me a stupid amount of money. The fact that poor students could end up with £80k (if doing engineering or another course where the 4 year course is normal) of debt plus interest when they leave is utterly insane and not alright.
[QUOTE]The government has said higher fees will be linked to teaching quality [/QUOTE]
ehhhhhhhhhh....
so for this year I pay 9k, and for final year it might jump to 9.5k? Fun times ahead.
If they do a 4 year course at say, UCL, then they get £10702 for maintenance and £9500 for tuition. Add in the inflation+3% interest while you are at uni and, using inflation at 2%, this student will leave with £91.5k of debt, and thus the salary required to pay it down at all is around 72k/year. Basically it's a tax on poor graduates who's parents can't afford to pay for their tuition (i.e. not rich tory voters).
[editline]2nd October 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=RocketRacer;51141259]ehhhhhhhhhh....
so for this year I pay 9k, and for final year it might jump to 9.5k? Fun times ahead.[/QUOTE]
If you've already started you'll pay 9k/year throughout the course, from what I can tell.
[QUOTE=RocketRacer;51141259]ehhhhhhhhhh....
so for this year I pay 9k, and for final year it might jump to 9.5k? Fun times ahead.[/QUOTE]
no
[quote]This will take tuition fees over £9,500 for students beginning university courses in autumn 2018[/quote]
[QUOTE=NeonpieDFTBA;51141264]If they do a 4 year course at say, UCL, then they get £10702 for maintenance and £9500 for tuition. Add in the inflation+3% interest while you are at uni and, using inflation at 2%, this student will leave with £91.5k of debt, and thus the salary required to pay it down at all is around 72k/year. Basically it's a tax on poor graduates who's parents can't afford to pay for their tuition (i.e. not rich tory voters).[/QUOTE]
I think that's the point. There's a lot of poor people. Poor people with debt = more tax money.
[QUOTE=rndgenerator;51141285]I think that's the point. There's a lot of poor people. Poor people with debt = more tax money.[/QUOTE]
Yes, that's the point. It's also bullshit.
After brexit UK will need all the money it can get.
[QUOTE=rndgenerator;51141317]After brexit UK will need all the money it can get.[/QUOTE]
Achieved by discouraging poor but intelligent students from getting education which could increase their economic output by far more than this would ever make. Pretty sure the ifs or similar did a study and showed tuition fees don't save the government money, they just move debts into the future when they write them off.
Fuck college at that point, you might as well get a degree online that you can print out upon graduating. It'd be cheaper anyway.
[QUOTE=FunnyStarRunner;51141517]Fuck college at that point, you might as well get a degree online that you can print out upon graduating. It'd be cheaper anyway.[/QUOTE]
Nah I'll just continue going to uni for free here in Scotland.
[QUOTE=Scot;51141553]Nah I'll just continue going to uni for free here in Scotland.[/QUOTE]
Not sure if you didn't realise but not everyone in the UK lives in Scotland
[quote]The government has said higher fees will be linked to teaching quality[/quote]
Well then, a woman who came in to our school the other day said it was linked to inflation.
what the fuck didn't it only just go over 9k
[editline]2nd October 2016[/editline]
"...which will apply to all standard of university" just fuck off
Is that per year or semester
[QUOTE=proboardslol;51141607]Is that per year or semester[/QUOTE]
Year. But this is still a near 300% increase in a space of around 4 years. And despite the jump to 9k, I never saw any improvement at my university. So it's pretty much guaranteed to go into the pockets of someone somewhere.
[QUOTE=HazzaHardie;51141582]Not sure if you didn't realise but not everyone in the UK lives in Scotland[/QUOTE]
Perhaps they should.
I call major bullshit on the improvement of quality of education. Members of staff at my undergrad (King's College London) said they saw no increase in quality of education, teaching salaries, resources or anything of the sort when the government trebled the tuition fees in 2012.
The fact is that they're most likely raising tuition fees to stick the money elsewhere (hint: the military budget ?? ) and to line the (already golden) pockets of certain members of the establishment.
[editline]2nd October 2016[/editline]
And it amazes me to no end that I encountered multiple students who vehemently defended the Tories' decision to increase the tuition fees.
well money is linked to quality after all, which is why when they tripled the fees from 3k to 9k originally, the standard of university tripled as well :^)
[QUOTE=hexpunK;51141628]Year. But this is still a near 300% increase in a space of around 4 years. And despite the jump to 9k, I never saw any improvement at my university. So it's pretty much guaranteed to go into the pockets of someone somewhere.[/QUOTE]
Wow you guys are basically paying what I'm paying at public state university
[QUOTE=agentalexandre;51141664]I call major bullshit on the improvement of quality of education. Members of staff at my undergrad (King's College London) said they saw no increase in quality of education, teaching salaries, resources or anything of the sort when the government trebled the tuition fees in 2012.
The fact is that they're most likely raising tuition fees to stick the money elsewhere (hint: the military budget ?? ) and to line the (already golden) pockets of certain members of the establishment.
[editline]2nd October 2016[/editline]
And it amazes me to no end that I encountered multiple students who vehemently defended the Tories' decision to increase the tuition fees.[/QUOTE]
What are you studying at KCL?
It's only for top universities but it's still pretty bullshit. Liverpool is already at a surplus in terms of funds but have jacked the fees up to £9,250, they're just trying to squeeze as much money at of students as they can for no particular reason.
[editline]2nd October 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51141720]Is it the norm preferring not to move for education there? I moved countries to get a quality, cheap education; cant you move to Scotland and live with the saved 9k or does it not apply to Englishmen?[/QUOTE]
You only get free uni if you're a Scottish citizen. If you move from England to a Scottish uni you still have to pay, whereas I'm fairly sure if a Scottish Citizen goes to an English university they still get it for free. Can't be too sure on the second part though but I'm pretty sure that's how it works.
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51141720]Is it the norm preferring not to move for education there? I moved countries to get a quality, cheap education; cant you move to Scotland and live with the saved 9k or does it not apply to Englishmen?[/QUOTE]
Some people have families, significant others, friends, etc.
If I got an offer to, say, MIT, I'd probably turn it down since everyone I know lives in Virginia
[QUOTE=Scot;51141653]Perhaps they should.[/QUOTE]
The more people using that service, the less likely it will remain free.
[QUOTE=Scot;51141553]Nah I'll just continue going to uni for free here in Scotland.[/QUOTE]
when the 9k hike came into effect people blew it out of proportion so much, if you even looked at the repayment plans (as of 2012, they might have changed by now but hardly if they did) you didn't have to worry about paying back £50k of "debt" at all
It's around 3k for me here in NI.
These fees are an absolute joke. You've a generation that got free university education now putting the next generation in a shit ton of debt. Universities are just like a business.
[QUOTE=G3rman;51141818]The more people using that service, the less likely it will remain free.[/QUOTE]
Well if a proportional amount of people are paying taxes into it, it should work fine. More universities may need to be constructed, though, to meet volume
[editline]2nd October 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Duskin;51141842]It's around 3k for me here in NI.
These fees are an absolute joke. You've a generation that got free university education now putting the next generation in a shit ton of debt. Universities are just like a business.[/QUOTE]
Generation above us is the [B]worst[/B] [I]period[/I] [B]generation[/B] [I]period[/I] [B]ever[/B] [I]period[/I]
[quote]A second wave of tuition-fee rises has been signalled, which will apply to all standards of university in England.
This will take tuition fees over £9,500 for students beginning university courses in autumn 2018.
[B]The government has said higher fees will be linked to teaching quality - but plans released on Thursday suggest that all three quality bands can apply the same increase.[/B]
This will include those "significantly below benchmark in one or more areas".
The government has already announced an increase to £9,250 for autumn 2017 - if the Houses of Parliament approve plans to lift the current cap of £9,000.[/quote]
As if...This is a huge joke.
Nothing changed when they tripled the uni fees, tons of lecturers continued to be utterly crap at their jobs and they still charge an extra arm and leg for staying in halls, makes me honestly wonder where exactly the sudden influx of money from triple fees actually went. My girlfriend just finished uni and the way her course was managed was terrible, quite a few of her lecturers were useless and on top of the fact that she made multiple complaints about things like her lecturers having favoritism in letting certain people hand things in late for no reason as well as one case of a lecturer actually telling someone the answers to a late piece of work before they submitted it, only for the uni/course leaders to brush it under the mat.
The icing on the cake was that a lot of her coursework seemed to be marked completely random/inconsistently, eg when she had work back and compared it with friends sometimes they would have parts where they gave the exact same 2-3 word answer yet all get completely different marks for it.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;51141785]It's only for top universities but it's still pretty bullshit. Liverpool is already at a surplus in terms of funds but have jacked the fees up to £9,250, they're just trying to squeeze as much money at of students as they can for no particular reason.
[editline]2nd October 2016[/editline]
You only get free uni if you're a Scottish citizen. If you move from England to a Scottish uni you still have to pay, whereas I'm fairly sure if a Scottish Citizen goes to an English university they still get it for free. Can't be too sure on the second part though but I'm pretty sure that's how it works.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I believe Scottish people can go to England and get free education.
The kicker is that people from EU countries could also go to Scotland and get free education, but as someone who lived on the English side of the Scottish border I would have had to pay the normal fees...Not really sure the justification on that one.
[QUOTE=proboardslol;51141846]Well if a proportional amount of people are paying taxes into it, it should work fine. More universities may need to be constructed, though, to meet volume
[editline]2nd October 2016[/editline]
Generation above us is the [B]worst[/B] [I]period[/I] [B]generation[/B] [I]period[/I] [B]ever[/B] [I]period[/I][/QUOTE]
Don't put words in my mouth. I didn't say their the worst generation, only that they're making laws to charge extravagant prices for something that they received for free.
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