[quote]In the report, Howard Zucker likened hydraulic fracturing to "secondhand smoke," which hadn't been fully understood as a health risk until many years of scientific study had been done.Moreover, Joe Martens noted that a number of regulatory issues in New York would make fracking "less economically beneficial than has been anticipated."
Among those he mentioned the low price of natural gas, the high local cost of industry oversight and the large areas that would be off-limits to shale gas development because of water protection and other local prohibitions.[/quote]
[url]http://www.dw.de/new-york-to-ban-fracking-due-to-health-risks/a-18138533[/url]
A good thing, in my opinion. Fracking is way too destructive.
Yay, we did something right!
I live on Skaneateles Lake in NY ([URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skaneateles_Lake"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skaneateles_Lake[/URL]), one of the cleanest and best-tasting water sources in the world. Our lakes water is so clean that our towns tap water supply comes directly from it, [B]unfiltered[/B]. We also supply said water to the nearby city of Syracuse(also unfiltered) as their water supply has been completely contaminated by pollutants.
If fracking had been allowed anywhere near Skaneateles Lake, I am sure it would have adversely and irreparably affected the purity of it's water and ruined this symbol of nature forever.
Today is a good day.
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[QUOTE=ShadowSocks8;46808590]I live on Skaneateles Lake in NY ([URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skaneateles_Lake[/URL]), one of the cleanest and best-tasting water sources in the world. Our lakes water is so clean that our towns tap water supply comes directly from it, [B]unfiltered[/B]. We also supply said water to the nearby city of Syracuse(also unfiltered) as their water supply has been completely contaminated by pollutants.
If fracking had been allowed anywhere near Skaneateles Lake, I am sure it would have adversely and irreparably affected the purity of it's water and ruined this symbol of nature forever.
Today is a good day.[/QUOTE]
That article has a section on US EPA evidence that your lake is polluted by pesticide and fertilizer use, among other things. :tinfoil:
john key, take fucking note.
[QUOTE=Most wanteD;46808683]That article has a section on US EPA evidence that your lake is polluted by pesticide and fertilizer use, among other things. :tinfoil:[/QUOTE]
...all water that has human life near it will have some pollutants, does not change the fact that this is one of the cleanest sources of drinking water in the nation.
overlord cuomo saves the day once again
I'm still awaiting some unfathomably terrible accident like a fracked well ruptures the gas bed and we start having gas uncontrollably venting or burning away at the surface or worse, subsidance over large areas as the bed collapses and renders large regions uninhabitable.
Probably would never happen but hey, it would look really cool.
[QUOTE=usaokay;46808625]Oh yeah, if you don't know what fracking is, it's extracting natural gas from within the earth by breaking (or fracking) minerals in order to release it.
It's bad because the chemicals in the gas makes it way to the drinking water (which is also in the ground) during the fracking process. Some residents reported of getting headaches and even some cases of sickness due to this.
I remember seeing in a documentary that the contaminated drinking water even turned flammable.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ApZkNsXfJE[/media]
and for the full film: [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cutGpoD3inc[/url]
For more info on fracking: [url]http://www.dangersoffracking.com/[/url][/QUOTE]
You're right on all counts, except that video. That wa actually a nearby coal mine (or mine of some sort) that hit a gas pocket that infected the water.
[QUOTE=pentium;46808805]I'm still awaiting some unfathomably terrible accident like a fracked well ruptures the gas bed and we start having gas uncontrollably venting or burning away at the surface or worse, subsidance over large areas as the bed collapses and renders large regions uninhabitable.[/QUOTE]
But this time, New York will still be standing!
So... What's wrong with fracking?
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;46808864]So... What's wrong with fracking?[/QUOTE]
amazing job not even reading the thread
someone posted flaming water jesus christ
you ask what's wrong but didn't even read, or bother to look it up
there's a thread in GD right now discussing shitposting in SH right now, and you are not helping the situation
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so to not be a hypocrite, here's some elaboration:
the video proves the well known information that consumer water lines can be affected by local contaminations
fracking is literally about pumping harmful dense materials through the earth to extract other materials
while the video is not about fracking, it shows a dramatic example of water contamination
fracking wrecks local water sources
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[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51wOisfdIPo[/media]
inform yourself with some nice colourful graphics
One of the reasons I'm asking is because I live literally within thirty to forty miles of a rig operation here in North Dakota, where every rig is doing fracking. I have yet to see any issues of contamination pop up in our headlines outside of a small pond spill which lead to the company getting it's ass chewed out by the North Dakotan government.
The thing is I'm seeing is that even if NY tries this, they'll evidently be forced into fracking eventually. Just because the people and environmentalist alike don't want it, doesn't mean that the opportunity for domestic natural gas is going to be ignored. Right now in NoDak, we actually had a major, "holy fuck" moment when we discovered that the Bakkens extends all the way to my city of Bismarck-Mandan. Not only that, it was also recently disclosed that the government is going to massively rehaul our infrastructure in order to harvest greater amounts of natural gas resources which are currently being burnt off because of a lack of infrastructure for it.
From the issues I have gathered by reading around the web, as well as here... The issues are this:
* Fracking can contaminate drinking water, and in poor regulations/conditions it is most likely bound to do so.
* Fracking currently is under-regulated in most states that have current operations running, outside of North Dakota and Alaska. Both of which have pretty strict environmental regulations in regards to fracking.
* The amount of water required to combine up the chemical breakdown material is massive, and it brings into question if the amount of water in use is really worth the amount of water that can be plausibly contaminated.
* With the current setup of issues domestic and foreign, if we do not start fracking we need to radically change over to green technologies, which for the moment are still in their infancy and require a fucking ridiculous amount of resources to get working in themselves.
I'm on the right track right..? Right now, I think the problem is that we lack a good deal of transparency regarding the chemicals being put into the ground and the government is really being lackluster regarding regulating the operations that are going on. If we properly regulate the operations, and properly maintain and contain the waste, we shouldn't have nearly as much issues as people are proposing. Another thing to look at realistically is that fracking at the moment is our last course of option before we can start pushing for more nuclear reactors, and of course, getting any of those things going is gonna be a fucking field day.
Fracking itself isn't inherently dangerous to the environment [I]if done properly[/I]. There are ways to minimize the risks and make sure its safe... It all hangs on whether or not it's done responsibly. And that's the crux - it almost never is. So yeah, fuck fracking until we're certain that the people doing it are as closely scrutinized as possible to avoid any and all mishaps. Cause when you fuck up with this, you can fuck up [I]badly[/I].
Awesome, good on New York. Too bad it's probably an aberration. Most of the states of the fracking boom don't have people with the resources to organize a serious anti-fracking movement, or a government that will actually listen to them.
Every time I see something about fracking I automatically connect it to those 12-year-olds that replace the word "fuck" with "frack" and the title confused me immensely until I read further in the thread. The more you know!
So in short, fracking means uncontrolled release of gases, right?
[QUOTE=SgtTupelo;46809818]Every time I see something about fracking I automatically connect it to those 12-year-olds that replace the word "fuck" with "frack" and the title confused me immensely until I read further in the thread. The more you know!
So in short, fracking means uncontrolled release of gases, right?[/QUOTE]
Hydraulic fracturing is when you pump water into the ground at high pressure in order to fracture the surrounding rock and release natural gas.
The major dangers come from the possibility of contaminating the local water table and the pretty nasty chemicals that they use in the process along with the water, with some of them being massively carcinogenic, which in most industries wouldn't be a problem but it seems endemic to fracking that the people responsible suck cock at disposing of and keeping an eye on these chemicals.
It's easy to complain now that gas is cheap right guys?
Fracking is kinda like Nuclear energy in this aspect, both provide clean energy but have a VERY nasty side-effect; Spent Uranium and water contamination
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;46809845]It's easy to complain now that gas is cheap right guys?[/QUOTE]
Speak for yourself man, the UK government has been handing out licences here so they can frack without land owners consent and a bunch of those licences have went to Glasgow and Edinburgh and I seriously hope they don't start drilling wells on folks land.
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[QUOTE=mralexs;46809857]Fracking is kinda like Nuclear energy in this aspect, both provide clean energy but have a VERY nasty side-effect; Spent Uranium and water contamination[/QUOTE]
Fracking is fuck all like nuclear, fracking isn't clean, it won't reduce our carbon output.
[url]http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/oct/15/gas-boom-from-unrestrained-fracking-linked-to-emissions-rise[/url]
[url]http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/energy/2014/09/140924-natural-gas-impact-on-emissions/[/url]
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;46809845]It's easy to complain now that gas is cheap right guys?[/QUOTE]
Except people have been against it ever since they learned how much it can fuck up the environment when done incorrectly?
Done incorrectly? So you ban it outright completely and forever?
lol ok
Is it the same people who think nuclear is salvation?
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Every form of energy has to be taken advantage of
the cost of energy should never be as high as it was under Bush
Chevron set up a fracking site a few miles away from my cousin's house and he has nothing to complain about. Water is clean, his vegetable garden has no problems, there aren't earthquakes or whatever else.
Romania has a shitload of shale gas and fracking is needed if we are to become energetically independent and a powehouse in the region. So I hope it will never be outlawed here (and I'm sure it won't).
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;46809897]Done incorrectly? So you ban it outright completely and forever?
lol ok
Is it the same people who think nuclear is salvation?
[editline]28th December 2014[/editline]
Every form of energy has to be taken advantage of
the cost of energy should never be as high as it was under Bush[/QUOTE]
No, we should limit it until we can do it without potentially fucking up entire masses of land. You know, just like we did with nuclear power?
Okay, let's revert back to coal for our main energy production, we still have enough of that left. Why not? Oh, who gives a fuck if it makes the air poisonous - we have to exploit every form of energy we have!
[quote]I remember seeing in a documentary that the contaminated drinking water even turned flammable.
and for the full film: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cutGpoD3inc[/URL]
For more info on fracking: [URL]http://www.dangersoffracking.com/[/URL][/quote]
I'm not going to be a supporter of the oil industry, but much of what you posted is either untrue or heavily biased.
Minus the video which is of a coal mine, and the aptly named "dangersoffracking", the truth is that fracking doesn't really poison water supplies to the degree its made out to be in that video or that website.
In fact, fracking is also used to recover drinking water from underground reservoirs. Really, as long as you are following correct procedure, using the correct equipment, etc
Really it's a matter of regulation. Properly regulated, fracking is as safe as nuclear power plants.
If you have idiots or poor regulation, broken equipment, faulty stuff, etc then yes you will get some of these problems. However the process of hydraulic fracturing in itself is not inherently harmful.
Just like we did with what? You mean that thing where all of our plants are 30/40 years old because people were afraid of sink faucets lighting on fi- I mean nuclear mushroom clouds?
I like how you twisted my words to make up something that would never happen though. Yeah we use coal and we'll continue to use coal until it's no longer viable.
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Fear mongering about fracking won't lead to reasonable regulation.
It leads to totally banning it forever because that's what these idiots obsessed with flower power actually want.
[QUOTE]In the report, Howard Zucker likened hydraulic fracturing to "secondhand smoke,"[/QUOTE]
So he likened hydraulic fracturing to something that has been greatly exaggerated and is largely a non-threat?
[QUOTE=Saigon;46810432]So he likened hydraulic fracturing to something that has been greatly exaggerated and is largely a non-threat?[/QUOTE]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_smoking[/url]
please
Oklahoma has had a sharp increase in seismic activity since 2008 and it's been linked to fracking.
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