UK immigration minister tells Iraqi asylum seeker, "your claims are ridiculous, no one believes you, - Polidicks

[B]Furious immigration minister Mark Harper personally told a failed asylum seeker to go home – on live television. [/B][URL]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2458617/Mark-Harper-tells-time-failed-asylum-seeker-home-live-TV.html[/URL]

What a dick.

[quote]highly charged confrontation[/quote] Both sides seemed rather calm to me. Maybe by Canadian standards this was confrontational, but I didn't see it this way.

must resist comments must resist comments must resist ah dammit I read the nationalist comments, shit

Maximum sensationalism activated. It isnt really as bad as it sounds...Before people go ape shit without watching the video or reading the article, Mark Harper says that he has no right to be here and should go home, he has been rejected 5 times on the grounds that they found his claims not credible and in the video he says one of the judges thought they were ridiculous. It could be either way, but if he has tried 5 times and they rejected his reasons for seeking asylum / it being too dangerous to go back to his country then there must be a reason behind it. Also having constantly repeated cases over and over just costs the government more time and money, I would be frustrated if I thought some people were blatantly trying to lie to gain asylum but they were able to just keep challenging it over and over and wasting everyone's time and money until they give up and accept.

GOOD GAME

If the courts have decided 5 times that he would be safe to return to Iraq then he should either go back to Iraq or try to claim asylum somewhere else.

[QUOTE=Scrappa;42521225]If the courts have decided 5 times that he would be safe to return to Iraq then he should either go back to Iraq or try to claim asylum somewhere else.[/QUOTE] Agreed. I could understand getting denied once, then trying a second time thinking "Well, that approach didnt work, ill try this instead." On a very far stretch, i could maybe see trying a third time. After that, its just like.. go home man, or go somewhere else. I dont care where you go, just get outta here

About time someone finally confronted this type of issue head on.

It's irritating that It's the same excuse over and over for all these people coming here. There are closer surrounding countries to claim asylum in yet they all come to the UK.

For someone who only claims to have 5 pounds to his name he is exceptionally well fed and dressed.

[QUOTE=Scrappa;42521225]If the courts have decided 5 times that he would be safe to return to Iraq then he should either go back to Iraq or try to claim asylum somewhere else.[/QUOTE] I would rather read at least a summary of the case, with both sides represented. I would not just accept anything courts say at face value. The courts are made up of the same kind of people, working towards the same goal, it's not surprising that they are in agreement.

Can't stand that snide grin he has, if you're fighting so hard for your life you can look a little more serious about it.

[QUOTE=Moby-;42525036]It's irritating that It's the same excuse over and over for all these people coming here. There are closer surrounding countries to claim asylum in yet they all come to the UK.[/QUOTE] Punjabi's were also doing it for a while in the eighties during the Khalistani movement - A lawyer friend of the family used to say that these guys used to destroy their passports on the flight over and then step off at Toronto airport seeking asylum. Now they're one of the largest communities of Indians in Canada and are quite prosperous. If you had the chance to start a better life, why would you choose to do it in a neighbouring shithole when you could go to the same country where your countries' best and brightests chose to take up jobs in?

Apparently his only appeal reason is this... [img]http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/10/15/article-2458617-18BE4DC600000578-524_634x520.jpg[/img] It's kinda a shame, but they made their decision. But it isn't like it is all over, he can go to France and start off fresh. He and his family need to adjust to frances culture and stop trying to live like they did back "home." They're no longer at their home country and need to follow and adjust to the laws and customs of their new country. Not saying give up their religion but they sure as heck can't expect everything or everyone to change for them.

All asylum seekers that are not from europe should go home. Your supposed to claim asylum in the nearest safest country. Europe, especially the UK is not near Iraq.

"i have more right to this country than u do, my daddy and mommy fucked here!"

[QUOTE=Sword and Paint;42529786]All asylum seekers that are not from europe should go home. Your supposed to claim asylum in the nearest safest country. Europe, especially the UK is not near Iraq.[/QUOTE] To be fair, most of the Middle East is not really a "nearby safe country", save for Israel if you're Israeli Jew. So they go to Europe where there are stable countries with functioning law enforcement and governments that will protect them.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;42529990]To be fair, most of the Middle East is not really a "nearby safe country", save for Israel if you're Israeli Jew. So they go to Europe where there are stable countries with functioning law enforcement and governments that will protect them.[/QUOTE] A key thing you're missing out there are: 1. Functional welfare system - not quite the same as the government protecting them, but mostly looking after them. 2. Strong communities of their nationalities in said country. This is quite important because it helps them set down roots and the community tends to look after them more than those of their host country because they belong to the same culture so adjustment becomes easier. Unfortunately, this also creates problems further down the line when that generation refuses to leave their little shell and their children are caught in the crossfire - one the one side, their parents fear of their children forgetting the way of their ancestors and on the other, a desperate desire to fit in.

[QUOTE=MR-X;42527044]Apparently his only appeal reason is this... It's kinda a shame, but they made their decision. But it isn't like it is all over, he can go to France and start off fresh. He and his family need to adjust to frances culture and stop trying to live like they did back "home." They're no longer at their home country and need to follow and adjust to the laws and customs of their new country. Not saying give up their religion but they sure as heck can't expect everything or everyone to change for them.[/QUOTE] That's not about the man this article is about.

£5 a day? Most UK Students end up in £30,000-£60,000 debt after university (probably way more now that the fees have escalated) and a good proportion don't manage to get well paid jobs for years after graduating.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;42521177]Both sides seemed rather calm to me. Maybe by Canadian standards this was confrontational, but I didn't see it this way.[/QUOTE] I was shaking just watching it.

[QUOTE=SCopE5000;42530700]£5 a day? Most UK Students end up in £30,000-£60,000 debt after university (probably way more now that the fees have escalated) and a good proportion don't manage to get well paid jobs for years after graduating.[/QUOTE] You don't even have to start paying back your university fee and maintenance loan until after you are earning more than the average wage (About £21,000 I believe) and then you only have to pay back 9% of the amount you earn over the average wage. So if you earned £25000 they would take 9% of the £4000 from you each year. You would only be paying back £30 a month, that's less than most phone contracts these days. You should never compare student loans to anything, the repayment system means that you are hardly paying back anything.

[QUOTE=Scrappa;42531294]You don't even have to start paying back your university fee and maintenance loan until after you are earning more than the average wage (About £21,000 I believe) and then you only have to pay back 9% of the amount you earn over the average wage. So if you earned £25000 they would take 9% of the £4000 from you each year. You would only be paying back £30 a month, that's less than most phone contracts these days. You should never compare student loans to anything, the repayment system means that you are hardly paying back anything.[/QUOTE] Yeah, a student loan is the best and cheapest loan you'll ever have