NJ third grade student makes a racist comment about brownies; police are called in as a result - Polidicks

[quote]On June 16, police were called to an unlikely scene: an end-of-the-year class party at the William P. Tatem Elementary School in Collingswood. A third grader had made a comment about the brownies being served to the class. After another student exclaimed that the remark was "racist," the school called the Collingswood Police Department, according to the mother of the boy who made the comment. The police officer spoke to the student, who is 9, said the boy's mother, Stacy dos Santos, and local authorities. Dos Santos said that the school overreacted and that her son made a comment about snacks, not skin color. "He said they were talking about brownies. . . . Who exactly did he offend?" dos Santos said. The boy's father was contacted by Collingswood police later in the day. [B]Police said the incident had been referred to the New Jersey Division of Child Protection and Permanency.[/B] The student stayed home for his last day of third grade. Dos Santos said that her son was "traumatized," and that she hopes to send him to a different Collingswood public school in the fall.[/quote] [url]http://www.philly.com/philly/education/20160629_Why_police_were_called_to_a_South_Jersey_third_grade_class_party.html[/url] what the ever loving christ

Imagine being a little kid and suddenly you are in huge trouble and you don't know why. Public schools continue to be retarded. [editline]30th June 2016[/editline] The police shouldn't have even shown up to be honest, nothing even happened.

But was the brownie in the shape of a gun?

I wonder what the kid even said that could possibly warrant that.

So someone says they hate brownies, and someone else takes that as a racist remark and calls the police. This seems like it's supposed to be some parody by a paranoid, anti-PC far right group.

Sometimes I just click and hope this is an Onion article...then it ends up being real. This is so depressing it isn't even funny.

What was the comment? Can't load the full article from my mobile. Calling the cops at all was probably a pretty serious overreaction no matter what he said, but knowing what he said would go a long way towards informing us of just how inappropriate the comment was or wasnt. Like, did say, "I don't like brownies," a totally innocuous statement about the snack, or something ridiculous like, "brownies are all welfare queens and criminals," some obvious racist tripe that he's parroting from his dad or some shit and that the family is trying to pass off as being a comment or joke about the snack to save face?

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;50622170]What was the comment? Can't load the full article from my mobile. Calling the cops at all was probably a pretty serious overreaction no matter what he said, but knowing what he said would go a long way towards informing us of just how inappropriate the comment was or wasnt. Like, did say, "I don't like brownies," a totally innocuous statement about the snack, or something ridiculous like, "brownies are all welfare queens and criminals," some obvious racist tripe that he's parroting from his dad or some shit and that the family is trying to pass off as being a comment or joke about the snack to save face?[/QUOTE] [quote]And she wants an apology. She said she graduated from Collingswood High School and has two other children, a 21-year-old who also went through Collingswood schools, and a 3-year-old. Her husband, the third grader's father, is Brazilian, dos Santos said.[/quote] [quote]Megan Irwin, who has two daughters who have attended Collingswood public schools and who teaches first grade in Pennsauken, said the police had been called to deal with behavior the schools could easily have handled.[/quote] So from what it sounds like the father's an immigrant and a minority, so that seems unlikely, and it sounds like the school is just being fucking stupid and calling the cops about everything. I mean honestly, even if he did insult black people that's not something to call the fucking cops about, you suspend him and give him extra homework. They don't seem to have the actual statement he made in the article. It looks like the mayor stepped in and said to fucking stop doing this shit: [url]http://www.philly.com/philly/education/20160630_Collingswood_mayor_says_schools__Call_911_policy_dropped__It_s__fixed__finished__done__.html[/url]

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;50622170]What was the comment? Can't load the full article from my mobile. Calling the cops at all was probably a pretty serious overreaction no matter what he said, but knowing what he said would go a long way towards informing us of just how inappropriate the comment was or wasnt. Like, did say, "I don't like brownies," a totally innocuous statement about the snack, or something ridiculous like, "brownies are all welfare queens and criminals," some obvious racist tripe that he's parroting from his dad or some shit and that the family is trying to pass off as being a comment or joke about the snack to save face?[/QUOTE] Even if he said "these things are the same color as niggers" it does not warrant a call for the police.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;50622234]Even if he said "these things are the same color as niggers" it does not warrant a call for the police.[/QUOTE] Perhaps if he said 'i do the same thing with these brownies as i do with niggers' then proceed to eat them...

[QUOTE=Blizzerd;50622248]Perhaps if he said 'i do the same thing with these brownies as i do with niggers' then proceed to eat them...[/QUOTE] So? That's not the police's job for an adult, let alone a child. You don't call the cops because someone said something racist. The role of the police should be to handle things that individuals cannot handle amongst themselves. This hardly counts.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;50622234]Even if he said "these things are the same color as niggers" it does not warrant a call for the police.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I agree. I said as much, too. [editline]30th June 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=DaCommie1;50622230]So from what it sounds like the father's an immigrant and a minority, so that seems unlikely, and it sounds like the school is just being fucking stupid and calling the cops about everything. I mean honestly, even if he did insult black people that's not something to call the fucking cops about, you suspend him and give him extra homework. They don't seem to have the actual statement he made in the article. It looks like the mayor stepped in and said to fucking stop doing this shit: [url]http://www.philly.com/philly/education/20160630_Collingswood_mayor_says_schools__Call_911_policy_dropped__It_s__fixed__finished__done__.html[/url][/QUOTE] Right, I said that. [editline]30th June 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Big Dumb American;50622170]Calling the cops at all was probably a pretty serious overreaction no matter what he said[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Blizzerd;50622248]Perhaps if he said 'i do the same thing with these brownies as i do with niggers' then proceed to eat them...[/QUOTE] There's dozens of things the kid [I]could[/I] have said, that [I]may[/I] warrant some kind of intervention, albeit at the school board level. However, in [I]context[/I] to what they were referring to in the classroom, this whole thing is an exaggeration by paranoid individuals.

I don't get it. Why would you call the police? Why would the police take you seriously? I must missing something.

I guess if it was a comment that could be interpreted as a threat, something about shooting brownies or something, then it'd make sort of sense that the standard protocol would be to report things, that are threatening, to the police. Chances are the school has zero tolerance policies that means stuff said by a nine year old is taken just as seriously as anything else. That could at least be a reason.

Just wait and see what the world is like 10-20 years from now when all these screwed-up kids reach adulthood in a world where ordinary kid mischief and general dumbassery (kids do stupid things, we know this) is [I]pathologized[/I].

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;50622442]Just wait and see what the world is like 10-20 years from now when all these screwed-up kids reach adulthood in a world where ordinary kid mischief and general dumbassery (kids do stupid things, we know this) is [I]pathologized[/I].[/QUOTE] I don't even know how to approach such a fucked up problem like the US education system. Do you just invest in higher wages for teachers so you get a quality workforce that is trained to handle these situations properly, without escalating the problem? Do you invest in the administration aspect so they can give better guidelines to teachers? Do you look at the parents and invest money in teaching them how to improve their students learning and behavior in and outside school to prevent problem behaviors in the classroom? I feel like education has gotten little to no exposure during this election cycle. Considering how many fuck ups and issues occur because of poor education there really is no urgency to re-evaluate our public school system, to create a more educated public to not fall for aggressive advertisements, dishonest political rhetoric, or misguided financial choices. It's a cycle of fucked up nonsense.

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;50622442]Just wait and see what the world is like 10-20 years from now when all these screwed-up kids reach adulthood in a world where ordinary kid mischief and general dumbassery (kids do stupid things, we know this) is [I]pathologized[/I].[/QUOTE] [I]"Ma'am, your son said, excuse my language, "Becka has cooties!" We on the board are very concerned about this instance and we recommend your child be institutionalized to prevent further sexual discrimination in the future."[/I]

In case the meaning of my previous post was unclear, I mean that ordinary child behaviour is [I]now[/I] being pathologized. [URL="http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/02/18/new.york.doodle.arrest/"]Like this 12-year-old girl who was arrested for doodling on her desk.[/URL] She's roughly 18, now, given that the story is from 2010. So, in a way we're kind of already starting to see the results, I guess. It would explain why young adults on social media so often turn into drama trolls, obsessed with chasing each other down for "violations" of some kind of rule or convention. Now imagine what kind of parenting skills all this shit will have taught the parents of tomorrow. Eesh. Maybe it's a good thing climate change is lining up to wreck our shit near-permanently over the next few centuries. [QUOTE=Cpn Crunch21;50623148]I don't even know how to approach such a fucked up problem like the US education system. Do you just invest in higher wages for teachers so you get a quality workforce that is trained to handle these situations properly, without escalating the problem? Do you invest in the administration aspect so they can give better guidelines to teachers? Do you look at the parents and invest money in teaching them how to improve their students learning and behavior in and outside school to prevent problem behaviors in the classroom? I feel like education has gotten little to no exposure during this election cycle. Considering how many fuck ups and issues occur because of poor education there really is no urgency to re-evaluate our public school system, to create a more educated public to not fall for aggressive advertisements, dishonest political rhetoric, or misguided financial choices. It's a cycle of fucked up nonsense.[/QUOTE] So, I'm speaking as a Canadian and I've never directly experienced the US education system, but if I was tasked with fixing the US education system, I would: - Increase funding to the entire education system (teachers, administrators, after-school activities/sports/clubs, supplies, teaching materials, infrastructure overhauls where needed in shit poor schools, etc.) by as much as I could without grinding the economy/taxation to death; a report came out a few years back that reported that the Pentagon could not account for $10 billion in budget spending over 10 years, imagine what an extra billion dollars in annual federal education funding could do for a decade. - Ban zero-tolerance policies; sorry, unless it's for fucked-up shit like bringing weapons to school, you can't raise kids with such blunt, simplistic rules that don't allow for any discretion or context. - Kill the entire system of quiz results determining district funding because all that does is incentivize entire generations of kids to be taught only on what's on the test, not actually receive an [I]education[/I]. I don't know what would replace it but there have to be better options that don't undermine the fundamental purpose of education. - Another important thing to address would be feeding kids actual healthy meals, but that's an incredibly complex and difficult (and expensive) topic by itself and the state of the rest of the system is so fucked that trying to fix school lunches at the same time would take a tall order and make it exponentially taller. Kids need their bodies and their minds fed; coming to school hungry, getting unappealing bullshit for lunch (I've seen photos of alleged "Michelle Obama healthy lunch guideline met" lunches), and having uninspired lessons about what's on the test is malnutrition on all levels.

[QUOTE=OvB;50623193][I]"Ma'am, your son said, excuse my language, "Becka has cooties!" We on the board are very concerned about this instance and we recommend your child be institutionalized to prevent further sexual discrimination in the future."[/I][/QUOTE] There was actually a case in USA about a year ago where a 12 year old boy kissed a girl and got a sexual assault charge. It obviously got dropped but still.

Even if the kid was the most racist piece of shit on the planet, racism isn't a crime in the US, why were the police involved unless there was some sort of threat of violence (in which case this is no longer a racial issue and shouldn't have been reported as such)? In either case, why were the police allowed to question a third grader without a parent present?

You're all missing the important part of the article. Many people are asking "what the fuck???" and it seems like people don't know how to read the damn article. [quote]The incident, which has sparked outrage among some parents, was one of several in the last month when Collingswood police have been called to look into school incidents that parents think hardly merit criminal investigation. [B]Superintendent Scott Oswald estimated that on some occasions over the last month, officers may have been called to as many as five incidents per day in the district of 1,875 students.[/B] [B]The increased police involvement follows a May 25 meeting among the Collingswood Police Department, school officials, and representatives from the Camden County Prosecutor's Office, where school officials and police both said they were told to report to police any incidents that could be considered criminal, including what Police Chief Kevin Carey called anything "as minor as a simple name-calling incident that the school would typically handle internally." The police and schools were also advised that they should report "just about every incident" to the New Jersey Division of Child Protection and Permanency, Carey said.[/B][/quote] There's also a follow up article that also needs to be posted. [quote]After Maley spoke Tuesday with Camden County Prosecutor Mary Eva Colalillo, he and the Prosecutor's Office issued statements clarifying that the change had been the result of a [B]misunderstanding between the Prosecutor's Office and school officials.[/B] Maley said the Prosecutor's Office had never intended to require schools to report all incidents to police, just to report serious events more promptly. [B]But that account is disputed. Both Oswald and Carey said the directive to change the protocol was clear, and Oswald said representatives from the Prosecutor's Office insisted on it at the May 25 meeting despite "vehement" opposition from school leadership.[/B][/quote] [url]http://www.philly.com/philly/education/20160630_Collingswood_mayor_says_schools__Call_911_policy_dropped__It_s__fixed__finished__done__.html[/url] This isn't a POLITICAL CORRECTNESS GONE MAD issue, or an increase in sensitivity issue, it's just terrible organization and communication. In my area, we've had a similar practice except it was more organized. It's like community policing. For example, If a kid starts fights with another kid, then there are [B]meetings[/B] set up with the principal and a member of the RCMP (Canadian Police). They do this for every crime related incident. It looks like they were attempting to do this, but fucked up on so many levels.

Seems to me that's a retarded overuse of the police liaison. There is no reason for cops to be called in over [I]name-calling[/I]. Everyone's just pushing the problem down layers of bureaucracy, away from the kids and incident involved. Why the fuck do the NJ Division of Child Protection and Permanency and the cops need to be called in because Jimmy called Ben "stupid and ugly"? What is wrong with the administration?

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;50623361]This isn't a POLITICAL CORRECTNESS GONE MAD issue, or an increase in sensitivity issue[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;50623361]including what Police Chief Kevin Carey called anything "as minor as a simple name-calling[/QUOTE] Pick one.

[QUOTE=unrezt;50623452]Pick one.[/QUOTE] read the rest of my post, jfc [quote] After Maley spoke Tuesday with Camden County Prosecutor Mary Eva Colalillo, he and the Prosecutor's Office issued statements clarifying that the change had been the result of a misunderstanding between the Prosecutor's Office and school officials. Maley said the Prosecutor's Office had never intended to require schools to report all incidents to police, just to report serious events more promptly. But that account is disputed. Both Oswald and Carey said the directive to change the protocol was clear, and Oswald said representatives from the Prosecutor's Office insisted on it at the May 25 meeting despite "vehement" opposition from school leadership. [/quote] nothing is clear. no one knows what's true and what isn't true because it's now word against word. you'd be smart to reserve judgement on the situation until something is clear

Imagine being a police officer and getting dispatched to a school. You fear the worst. Then you arrive, and apparently you were called there because a nine year old said something about brownies that offended another kid. What the fuck was that teacher thinking?

Reminds me of when I was in second grade, said "check mate", some kid heard "shit", and everyone instantly started the "you're fucked" act. No cops though

Fuck yeah, call the cops on a 9 year old who doesn't understand what the fuck he just did wrong! That'll show the racist prick! What do you mean he's talking about food? Brownie is fucking slang! Incarcerate the kid, the younger the better!

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;50623361]You're all missing the important part of the article. Many people are asking "what the fuck???" and it seems like people don't know how to read the damn article. There's also a follow up article that also needs to be posted. [url]http://www.philly.com/philly/education/20160630_Collingswood_mayor_says_schools__Call_911_policy_dropped__It_s__fixed__finished__done__.html[/url] This isn't a POLITICAL CORRECTNESS GONE MAD issue, or an increase in sensitivity issue, it's just terrible organization and communication. In my area, we've had a similar practice except it was more organized. It's like community policing. For example, If a kid starts fights with another kid, then there are [B]meetings[/B] set up with the principal and a member of the RCMP (Canadian Police). They do this for every crime related incident. It looks like they were attempting to do this, but fucked up on so many levels.[/QUOTE] This completely changes the nature of the story.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;50624214]This completely changes the nature of the story.[/QUOTE] Of course, it's a lot easier and much more fun to get mad about how political correctness has gone mad, how SJWs are taking over our society, and how we're being oppressed by the liberal left.