link: [url]http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/confessions-of-a-recovering-lesbian[/url]
It was a couple of days ago that I found myself on a website call "lifesitenews." I can't remember how I got linked there but I do remember being incredibly bored at the time and clawing at the internet for entertainment. I saw a front page article titled "Confessions of a recovering lesbian" and instantly thought "oh boy dis gon b gud." I was not disappointed. It contained the exact kind of rhetorical hatred such a title suggested the body would contain.
This article was a self-proclaimed "lesbian" being the perfect poster-child for homophobic assholes. You need not read far into the article to identify where this bastardized caricature of a "lesbian" begins, and where she begin playing right into their hands.
The reason I especially detest this article is because it's purposefully posted in this manner to give their view some kind of twisted, ill-begotten credence by association. Hey, she's a lesbian, right? She should know what she's talking about.
[quote]Most gays and lesbians will tell you they “knew” they were homosexual from a young age. I didn’t. I had the usual crushes on boys growing up and like most heterosexual women, envisoned myself getting married and having children with a great man.[/quote]
Oh man, the anti-gay zealots were right all along. Sexuality definitely is NOT a nearly intrinsic characteristic from birth. However, their implications about how one makes the transition from perfectly straight to gay is even more pernicious and insidious.
[quote]I know some of you may be thinking, “What do you mean, you just ‘woke up’ one day and fell in love with a woman? Can that really happen??” Not really. There were many factors in both our pasts that made us vulnerable to same-sex attraction. Nora had been repeatedly molested by a male cousin as a child. I was abandoned by my birth mother and grew up being physically abused by my mentally-ill adoptive mother.[/quote]
Ah ha! Herein lies the rub. Lesbians are not gay because that's just the way they were born, they're lesbians because they are broken people in need of repair.
[quote]For Nora, I was safe. For me, Nora offered the nurturing bond with a female I’d never had.[/quote]
Indeed, and "gayness" is simply a pathogenic reaction to past abuse. Perfectly curable!
[quote]Neither of us had had any guidance about sexuality other than “don’t get pregnant.”[/quote]
Perhaps you should be complaining to hard-line social conservatives?
[quote]Nor did we have any faith in God, which made it easier to ignore our consciences when tempted to become involved.[/quote]
Now, this part did not send me up the wall with disbelief and hatred because I'm an atheist. It's what's the punchline of the atheist hate that pissed me off. This statement implies that homosexuality is something to be automatically ashamed of. The suggestion that "godlessness" aids in the ignoring of "morality" is just icing on the shit cake.
[quote]That summer, we began what turned out to be a three-year affair. [/quote]
This is even more subtle, where the diction of the language itself is used to sling mud at homosexuals. It wasn't a three-year "relationship". It wasn't even a three-year "fling". It was a three-year [B]affair[/B]. Never mind that she was not cheating on anyone. We should still inflict the baggage of the word "affair" on homosexuality regardless, right?
[quote]In the days before same-sex [B]“[/B]marriage[B]”[/B][/quote]
Yes, put in those scare quotes!
[quote]A few months before graduation, I met a young man whose brilliant mind and sense of humor ended my relationship with Nora. Though I didn’t marry him, he nonetheless offered me the sense of normalcy I’d craved since becoming involved with a woman.[/quote]
Absolutely. Having a same sex relationship leaves a void in the hearts of those involved: a void that only a real, true (heterosexual) relationship can fill, right?
[quote]For a while, I convinced myself that as long as I wasn’t actually engaging in homosexual acts, I wasn’t sinning (i.e., fantasy is okay). The more I understood authentic chastity, however, the flimsier this excluse became. Am I “pure of heart” when indulging in sinful fantasies during the most intimate act of my marriage?[/quote]
Enter thought crime. Enter the use of "sinful" to describe homosexuality.
[quote]The most amazing quality of our union is God’s gift of cooperating with him in creating a unique person who possesses an immortal soul. It’s a transcendent, awesome spiritual privilege I would have missed as a lesbian.[/quote]
Here we go again, albeit in different language. Lesbians are also broken because they aren't experiencing "true union" which is only achievable with a heterosexual relationship.
[quote]Naturally, I have profound compassion for those who struggle as I do. But I don’t believe we must indulge same-sex attraction if we experience it. I’m really no different than a straight man who struggles not to objectify women. Or a straight woman who is tempted to fornicate. We’re all broken people, which is why we all need Christ.[/quote]
This is probably the most underhanded tactic in the entire article. It attempts to dismiss homosexuality as just another flaw that humans can possess. Don't even bother with the religious reference. That isn't important. It's the hate behind it that matters.
[quote]I’m not capable of re-ordering my broken sexuality[/quote]
Doesn't even need explanation.
I left this next one for last even though it comes from more of the beginning of the article, because I think it makes for a good conclusion.
[quote]One day a few months later, however, a startling thought crossed my mind: “I’m in love with Nora.” It frightened me badly to have that thought. I cried for hours, trying to figure a way out of the conundrum of being in love with a woman.[/quote]
Such are the results of the poison of homophobia. Unfortunately, this story did not have a happy ending, where this disease is overcome. At best, assuming the events and claims in the article are true, this is a case of someone forcing themselves to suppress their sexuality out of shame. At worst, this is a disgraceful, shameless, contemptible attempt to deride homosexuals by posing as one and making "confessions" on their behalf.
why would you even spend your time making this thread?
like, does it really amount to anything more than the usual conversative bashing?
Homosexuality isn't a disease like you state in the OP, it's a wired neurological condition that causes you to be attracted to people of the same gender, it has in no way, any real negative problems other than socially created ones and the inability to breed.
So please get off my property and preach your stupid to someone who will listen, like a KKK rally or something.
[QUOTE=The one that is;34423858]Homosexuality isn't a disease like you state in the OP, it's a wired neurological condition that causes you to be attracted to people of the same gender, it has in no way, any real negative problems other than socially created ones and the inability to breed.
So please get off my property and preach your stupid to someone who will listen, like a KKK rally or something.[/QUOTE]
Did you like, not read the whole OP or are you just joking?
[QUOTE=Mon;34423563]why would you even spend your time making this thread?
like, does it really amount to anything more than the usual conversative bashing?[/QUOTE]
[quote]hard-line social conservatives[/quote]
[quote]hard-line[/quote]
Please don't misrepresent me.
I thought you did a good job explaining why her arguments are dumb. So I rated you a winner.
[QUOTE=The one that is;34423858]Homosexuality isn't a disease like you state in the OP, it's a wired neurological condition that causes you to be attracted to people of the same gender, it has in no way, any real negative problems other than socially created ones and the inability to breed.
So please get off my property and preach your stupid to someone who will listen, like a KKK rally or something.[/QUOTE]
What is sarcasm?
Faith in humanity = 0
[QUOTE=ThePinkPanzer;34424552]Faith in humanity = 0[/QUOTE]
Do people really still need to post this? Is the action of a couple people all it takes to make you lose faith in an entire species?
WELL YOU CERTAINLY SHOWED THEM, WELL DONE BOB, GREAT THREAD
Her logic makes my blood boil.
[editline]27th January 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=ThePinkPanzer;34424552]Faith in humanity = 0[/QUOTE]
Yeah nevermind that we built a machine capable of letting us peer into the fabric of reality and understand how matter works (read: LHC), humanity is instantly shit because there are a few homophobic people out there.
everybody is entitled to their opinion...
[QUOTE=ThePinkPanzer;34424552]Faith in humanity = 0[/QUOTE]
Man. If I had a dollar every time someone on Facepunch said that I would be so fucking rich right now.
homosexuality is a mental disability
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[QUOTE=Laferio;34424755]everybody is entitled to their opinion...[/QUOTE]
i'm sure hitler thought that too buddy
The whole title makes same-sex relationships seem like a disease or some kind of addiction.
Relevant:
[img]http://i.imgur.com/bVD9p.jpg[/img]
This is a few Christians at a gay pride parade, they're holding sings apologizing for the way their church (and many other churches) treat homosexuals.
I stand by my point, you are to love everyone, no exceptions.
[QUOTE=Funion;34425466]i'm sure hitler thought that too buddy[/QUOTE]
Godwin's rule. you tard.
[QUOTE=Laferio;34424755]everybody is entitled to their opinion...[/QUOTE]
While I respect everyone's right to have an opinion and believe in whatever they want to, this does not mean I am barred from thinking that their beliefs are stupid.
it's like my gay friend said to the woman on street when she said Jesus could mend his broken soul.
"babe unless Jesus shows up at my house naked with a six-pack of beer and magnum condoms, i'm afraid he doesn't have anything to offer me."
I think I'd be able to help with her rehabilitation.
[QUOTE=A B.A. Survivor;34426958]I think I'd be able to help with her rehabilitation.[/QUOTE]
[img]http://www.facepunch.com/avatar/329227.png?garryis=awesome[/img]
HOMOSEXUALITY IS BAD. BAN GAY MARRIAGE!!! for murrica!!!!!
Why do you even care that someone else disagrees with you, and posted something elsewhere with conservative views. How does her testimony affect your life?
I disagree with the author and the OP. The author comes across as condescending in the quotes posted by the OP, and completely misrepresents the Christian faith (once again) as a bunch of rules and "don't do this or God's gonna getcha", and then boasting about how quitting lesbianism has made her a model Christian.
This portion here
[quote]
I am happy to say that the battle today is easier than in the early years of marriage. I remain faithful to God and my husband because I work hard to avoid near occasions of sin. For instance, I avoid deeply emotional friendships with women that eclipse the one with my husband. I don’t watch gay- and lesbian-themed movies. I also have trained my imagination to avoid impure fantasies. It can be tempting to fall into old thought patterns, especially if I’m tired. But if necessary, I’ll shut down physically and emotionally to avoid offending God. No fleeting sensual pleasure is worth offending Jesus, who suffered so much to save me.
[/quote]
"I remain faithful", "I don't watch", "I have trained", "I'll shut down". While I appreciate her sentiment, and understand the language, this is what I call "Christianese". It makes no sense to anyone except Christians, and then it makes no sense in the broad sense of New Covenant Christianity which is not based on anything that "I" have done, but on what Jesus Christ already did, and accomplished.
The other misrepresentation here is that God is somehow shocked and offended by our behaviour. Like it will take him by surprise. And what I find so strange in the life of so many Christians, is that they are terrified of the God they proclaim "loves them" and suffered for them. If He loves us all so much (and I believe He does), and willingly died in our place (no doctrinal dissertations here), to satisfy his righteousness and to impute righteousness, then why, if she has the righteousness of Jesus Christ, through faith, is God going to be offended if she has a terrible thought. God, as Jesus, died knowing her sins, and knew what sins she would commit.
So many Christians are afraid that they aren't going to live up to God's standards, and they spend their life living in fear of divine retribution. That's the entire point of the New Covenent though. We can't live up. Never have been able to. Never will be able to. Which is why righteousness or rightness with God is not through good works in the New Testament, but through faith in the righteousness of Jesus.
/end preachin'
But seriously, why let it bother you. Your lifestyle (don't know what your orientation is) doesn't bother me. I have my views on homosexuality, just like everyone else does.
This woman has done what she thinks is best - share her experience with others who might be hurting or confused. I think she has misunderstood some crucial elements of Christianity, and is mixing a lot of Old Covenant Law with New Covenant Grace, but I understand her viewpoint. Likewise, above, someone said that Christians should love. And that's entirely true. I don't see how condemnation ever helped anyone - the only people Jesus condemned were the religious & self righteous - those who thought "I'm good enough".
Catholicism is possibly the most fundamental form of christianity (isn't it?), what they say does not have to represent christianity as a whole.
[QUOTE=Lukasaurus;34428179]Why do you even care that someone else disagrees with you, and posted something elsewhere with conservative views. How does her testimony affect your life?
I disagree with the author and the OP. The author comes across as condescending in the quotes posted by the OP, and completely misrepresents the Christian faith (once again) as a bunch of rules and "don't do this or God's gonna getcha", and then boasting about how quitting lesbianism has made her a model Christian.
This portion here
"I remain faithful", "I don't watch", "I have trained", "I'll shut down". While I appreciate her sentiment, and understand the language, this is what I call "Christianese". It makes no sense to anyone except Christians, and then it makes no sense in the broad sense of New Covenant Christianity which is not based on anything that "I" have done, but on what Jesus Christ already did, and accomplished.
The other misrepresentation here is that God is somehow shocked and offended by our behaviour. Like it will take him by surprise. And what I find so strange in the life of so many Christians, is that they are terrified of the God they proclaim "loves them" and suffered for them. If He loves us all so much (and I believe He does), and willingly died in our place (no doctrinal dissertations here), to satisfy his righteousness and to impute righteousness, then why, if she has the righteousness of Jesus Christ, through faith, is God going to be offended if she has a terrible thought. God, as Jesus, died knowing her sins, and knew what sins she would commit.
So many Christians are afraid that they aren't going to live up to God's standards, and they spend their life living in fear of divine retribution. That's the entire point of the New Covenent though. We can't live up. Never have been able to. Never will be able to. Which is why righteousness or rightness with God is not through good works in the New Testament, but through faith in the righteousness of Jesus.
/end preachin'
But seriously, why let it bother you. Your lifestyle (don't know what your orientation is) doesn't bother me. I have my views on homosexuality, just like everyone else does.
This woman has done what she thinks is best - share her experience with others who might be hurting or confused. I think she has misunderstood some crucial elements of Christianity, and is mixing a lot of Old Covenant Law with New Covenant Grace, but I understand her viewpoint. Likewise, above, someone said that Christians should love. And that's entirely true. I don't see how condemnation ever helped anyone - the only people Jesus condemned were the religious & self righteous - those who thought "I'm good enough".[/QUOTE]
Uhhh, Jesus isn't god. Jesus is the son of god.
[QUOTE=stupidass;34430056]Uhhh, Jesus isn't god. Jesus is the son of god.[/QUOTE]
Why even bother trying to start a religious debate? And really.. out of my whole post, you decided to pick apart that - it's like you just want to argue over a point of contention amongst religious sects that has been debated for 2000 years. I'll swim past that worm thanks.
When I read the title I thought they literally dissected a lesbian to see what was 'wrong' with her.
[QUOTE=stupidass;34430056]Uhhh, Jesus isn't god. Jesus is the son of god.[/QUOTE]
Christianity teaches that Jesus, God, and the Holy Spirit are one and the same. That's why it's called the holy trinity.
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