Wall HS teacher suspended over Trump yearbook censorship
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[quote]WALL — The Wall High School teacher and adviser of the yearbook club has been suspended due to alleged censorship of images and quotes by students supporting President Donald Trump.
Superintendent Cheryl Dyer said Monday that the teacher, who she declined to name, was suspended "pending further disciplinary action" from the school board.
"I don't have definitive answers to all of my questions yet, but I knew enough at this point to get board approval to take that action," Dyer said.
Dyer declined to identify what disciplinary action could be taken. Termination would require the board to file tenure charges against her.
She did not return a call to her home seeking comment. In an interview with the New York Post, she said “we have never made any action against any political party.
But when asked if she knew who altered the photos, Parsons simply said, “I’m going to hang up.”
There have been three reported instances of censorship in the yearbook, all revolving around students supporting President Donald Trump.
Grant Berardo, a junior at the school, took his school pictures wearing a navy blue "Make America Great Again" shirt from the campaign. But in the yearbook, his photo had been digitally altered so it resembled a nondescript black T-shirt, which you can see in the video at top of the story.
“It was Photoshopped," Grant said in an interview on Friday. "I sent it to my mom and dad, just like ‘You won’t believe this.’ I was just overall disappointed.
"I like Trump, but it’s history too. Wearing that shirt memorializes the time," he said.
According to CNN, a brother and sister at the school also alleged censorship. Wyatt Debrovich-Fago wore a sweater vest in his picture with a Trump campaign logo, but it was seemingly cropped out of the photo.
His sister, Montana, served as president of the school's freshman class. That role usually comes with a quote next to a picture, and Montana selected: "I like thinking big. If you are going to be thinking anything, you might as well think big." [/quote]
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is this really censorship though
politics in a year book. Not really fitting tbh
[QUOTE=J!NX;52351398]is this really censorship though[/QUOTE]
Yeah.
Just because you don't like what they say or how they express themselves, they have the right, even as children in a school environment, to be able to form their own conclusions in life.
I mean hell I don't like Trump but this is just dumb. I can get not wanting to bring politics into a highschool year book, but if someone did it without making an ass of themselves, what is the problem?
[QUOTE=J!NX;52351398]is this really censorship though
politics in a year book. Not really fitting tbh[/QUOTE]
Yes, it is infact textbook censorship.
[quote=google]the suppression or prohibition of any parts of books, films, news, etc. that are considered obscene, politically unacceptable, or a threat to security.[/quote]
I'm not sure how I stand on this. The person does have a right to express their views but isn't it up to the discretion of the school/company doing the year books. If they allow political messages then I would agree with censorship.
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;52351407]Yeah.
Just because you don't like what they say or how they express themselves, they have the right, even as children in a school environment, to be able to form their own conclusions in life.
I mean hell I don't like Trump but this is just dumb.[/QUOTE]
I mean, I'd agree with this even if it was a Bernie shirt
not like this is something I put deep thought into but it's 'ok' in the context that its to keep the political views of that person from being permanently marked by the year book / keep politics out of the book
[editline]12th June 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=Aide;52351424]I'm not sure how I stand on this. The person does have a right to express their views but isn't it up to the discretion of the school/company doing the year books. If they allow political messages then I would agree with censorship.[/QUOTE]
I mean if they're doing it cause trump then 100% no good yeah
Politics weren't allowed in my highschool yearbooks, could be the case here.
[QUOTE=J!NX;52351428]I mean if they're doing it cause trump then 100% no good yeah[/QUOTE]
[quote]There have been three reported instances of censorship in the yearbook, all revolving around students supporting President Donald Trump. [/quote]
There needs to be proof that non-Trump political quotes, shirts, whatever were [I]not[/I] censored before you can be outraged.
yeah i'd like to see evidence that they're only editing out trump-related things and not all political shirts
So I just want to say that, according to the Supreme Court's 1987 decision on school newspapers, school publications (including yearbooks) do not receive First Amendment protection from administrative censorship. This is technically within the legal rights of the school, and the teacher who did it.
That's what the law is, as it stands. Hazelwood School District v. Kuhlmeier of 1987 overrode the prior decision (Tinker v. Des Moines) requiring school administrators to demonstrate constitutionally-valid reasons for restricting the speech, political or otherwise, of their students. Although that case was overruled, we still use the Tinker Test to determine if a school's censorship is an infringement on the constitutional rights of its students.
I dont care if the teacher was allowed to do this or not, or if the school is justified in firing them, but I do find it weird how attention craving Trump supporters are about their status as Trump supporters
A bumper sticker is one thing, but deciding to immortalize your high school experience as "I supported Trump" is pretty odd, especially considering these photos were most likely taken months after the election. This just sounds like something they'll regret in the future.
Maybe theyre just emulating the man's worship of himself.
[QUOTE=SelfishDragon;52351511]I dont care if the teacher was allowed to do this or not, or if the school is justified in firing them, but I do find it weird how attention craving Trump supporters are about their status as Trump supporters
A bumper sticker is one thing, but deciding to immortalize your high school experience as "I supported Trump" is pretty odd, especially considering these photos were most likely taken months after the election. This just sounds like something they'll regret in the future.
Maybe theyre just emulating the man's worship of himself.[/QUOTE]
There does seem to be a very common theme of "I will do an obnoxious thing, not just because I believe in anything, but because I know I can get a rise out of people by doing it enough and therefore they will eventually get fed up and tell me to stop and I can REEEE all the way home and play the victim." going on with all of this crowd from young to old the last few months. It's basically the modus operandi of the whole group. From people just hoping to get hit or kicked out of protests so they use that, to those edgy kekistan idiots, it's all the same.
[QUOTE=El Periodista;52351488]So I just want to say that, according to the Supreme Court's 1987 decision on school newspapers, school publications (including yearbooks) do not receive First Amendment protection from administrative censorship. This is technically within the legal rights of the school, and the teacher who did it.
That's what the law is, as it stands. Hazelwood School District v. Kuhlmeier of 1987 overrode the prior decision (Tinker v. Des Moines) requiring school administrators to demonstrate constitutionally-valid reasons for restricting the speech, political or otherwise, of their students. Although that case was overruled, we still use the Tinker Test to determine if a school's censorship is an infringement on the constitutional rights of its students.[/QUOTE]
I remember being told this during my high school years, was about to say.
[QUOTE=SelfishDragon;52351511]I dont care if the teacher was allowed to do this or not, or if the school is justified in firing them, but I do find it weird how attention craving Trump supporters are about their status as Trump supporters
A bumper sticker is one thing, but deciding to immortalize your high school experience as "I supported Trump" is pretty odd, especially considering these photos were most likely taken months after the election. This just sounds like something they'll regret in the future.
Maybe theyre just emulating the man's worship of himself.[/QUOTE]
The funniest people that love advertising their trump-status is furries
they get... particularly uhh, interesting about it
[QUOTE] The problem would be "equally" as egregious if images of clothing supporting Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton also had been altered, Berardo said. [/QUOTE]
It is """ implied """ here that there were no students wearing Democrat slogans, so we may not know if this was a stance against the gop, or just having politics in the yearbook in general.
By the way, for future reference, would this thread belong in Polidicks or sh?
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;52351407]Yeah.
Just because you don't like what they say or how they express themselves, they have the right, even as children in a school environment, to be able to form their own conclusions in life.
I mean hell I don't like Trump but this is just dumb. I can get not wanting to bring politics into a highschool year book, but if someone did it without making an ass of themselves, what is the problem?[/QUOTE]
funny enough, highschool students do not actually have many rights at all...
[editline]13th June 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=J!NX;52351528]The funniest people that love advertising their trump-status is furries
they get... particularly uhh, interesting about it[/QUOTE]
half of that might be satire though considering how he stands on the rainbow people.
[QUOTE=da space core;52351536]It is """ implied """ here that there were no students wearing Democrat slogans, so we may not know if this was a stance against the gop, or just having politics in the yearbook in general.
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I'd wager this was the case. Just from personal experience Democrat supporters seem far less vocal about who they support.
[QUOTE=da space core;52351536]It is """ implied """ here that there were no students wearing Democrat slogans, so we may not know if this was a stance against the gop, or just having politics in the yearbook in general.
By the way, for future reference, would this thread belong in Polidicks or sh?[/QUOTE]
The content is obviously political, but to me Polidicks exists for news that actually matters. It's weird seeing a story about yearbooks next to threads about Attorney General Sessions and the UK election.
Honestly, in this case I'd apply what I call the "Obama" test.
If someone had displayed pro-Obama sloganry/imagery in their year book (people at my school did), would anyone have supressed or 'corrected' it? If the MAGA shirt had been a "Change" shirt, would it have been edited? My suspicions say no.
Just because Donald Trump is unpopular/controversial does not make him an unconscionable or unacceptable figure to praise or express support for, in the way that a Swastika or Nazi figure might be. He is the American president, who routinely is a subject of public scrutiny and discussion [I]all the time.[/I]
I would personally rather have a rule that forbids political dress for yearbook pictures.
Who the fuck cares? Seriously like it is a high school yearbook, what impact does this have on the meaning or the morals of the world.
That teacher's only looking out for those poor kids and their future. Anyone who publicly supported Donald Trump is going to be ridiculed and ostracized in the years to come, treated like trash by the rest of society. Better to hide it and pretend it never happened.
[QUOTE=DrVivi;52351638]Who the fuck cares? Seriously like it is a high school yearbook, what impact does this have on the meaning or the morals of the world.[/QUOTE]
Its important to occasionally look at small things like this, the day to day life. There are questions to be asked here.
What you shouldn't do is only focus on a few, minor cherrypicked examples that support your world view while ignoring major important political events.
[QUOTE=FlakTheMighty;52351449]There needs to be proof that non-Trump political quotes, shirts, whatever were [I]not[/I] censored before you can be outraged.[/QUOTE]
Agreed. It's certainly inappropriate if ONLY Trump comments were targeted, but if it's the policy of the school to edit out ALL overtly political messages then it's well within their rights and nothing untoward has occurred here.
tbh you're kinda a weirdo if you wear campaign apparel after the campaign is over
[QUOTE=Mining Bill;52351878]tbh you're kinda a weirdo if you wear campaign apparel after the campaign is over[/QUOTE]
I shudder at the thought of having my edgy highschool political beliefs forever immortalized in my class photo.
[QUOTE=archangel125;52351665]That teacher's only looking out for those poor kids and their future. Anyone who publicly supported Donald Trump is going to be ridiculed and ostracized in the years to come, treated like trash by the rest of society. Better to hide it and pretend it never happened.[/QUOTE]
Didn't happen with Nixon though. And yet you had idiots following him the whole way through his resignation and genuinely calling him a saint. Trump could be impeached for supporting russian meddling and you'd still have marginals holding him up as the perfect president.
[QUOTE=Mining Bill;52351878]tbh you're kinda a weirdo if you wear campaign apparel after the campaign is over[/QUOTE]
Dude's still campaigning though
[QUOTE=FlakTheMighty;52351432]Politics weren't allowed in my highschool yearbooks, could be the case here.[/QUOTE]
I think the fact that the teacher in charge is getting reprimanded kinda implies that there was no such rule.
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