The real story in the NSA scandal is the collapse of journalism or: "rush to publish journalism is b
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[QUOTE]“Rushed” would indeed be the best way to describe why the Post story changed so dramatically in a 24-hour period. Normally, an investigative piece like this would be reported thoroughly before being published. Instead, it looks like the Post rushed to publish, perhaps fearing that the slide deck had been leaked to another publication that would beat them to the punch.
Almost no one who reacted to the story initially did so with any skepticism about the Post’s sources or its conclusions. Indeed, a common thread among reactions to the denials by those big tech companies was that they were using careful wording and common talking points to avoid responding to the specific allegations. [B]In fact, the wording of those statements was similar because each company was responding to the specific language in the Post story.[/B][/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.zdnet.com/the-real-story-in-the-nsa-scandal-is-the-collapse-of-journalism-7000016570/[/url]
i don't know what to believe anymore
likely story
i'm not defending anyone, but people claim that theres only 2 possibilities
missing the third: that it really wasn't as bad as wapo made it out to be, and they were all denying it the same because that's what everyone believed it to be
Theres so many conflicting reports on what is actually going on with all this, I dont know where to stand.
Well, it isn't like it would have been the first time the NSA had pulled shit like this before. Anybody else remember Mark Klein, Hepting v. AT&T, and Jewel v. NSA? I've actually been doing quite a lot of research on this subject before this came out, and there was plenty of evidence to suggest that there has been lots of warrantless surveillance happening. Hell, this kind of shit was happening even before the PATRIOT act, although it got much worse afterwards.
That puts it pretty well, the problem is modern journalism isn't about getting the facts straight and informing people anymore. Now it's all about getting attention, get the story out there before you even know what the story is, cause outrage, get more hits, not enough people care about the accuracy of it. That or they're like Fox and RT which are literally propaganda networks to enforce political agendas, and those are even worse.
[QUOTE=asteroidrules;40956852]That puts it pretty well, the problem is modern journalism isn't about getting the facts straight and informing people anymore. Now it's all about getting attention, get the story out there before you even know what the story is, cause outrage, get more hits, not enough people care about the accuracy of it. That or they're like Fox and RT which are literally propaganda networks to enforce political agendas, and those are even worse.[/QUOTE]
Well if he reads the news online or if he writes for mainstream publications (and he does), then he's only worsening the problem. This is a uselessly self-righteous article. If he's ever strictly budgeted one of the journalists while he's been an editor or given them a short deadline, then he is to blame just as much as any of these mysterious Washington Post subs he's calling out.
The plot thickens.
I hate the news
[QUOTE=LordCrypto;40956674]i'm not defending anyone, but people claim that theres only 2 possibilities
missing the third: that it really wasn't as bad as wapo made it out to be, and they were all denying it the same because that's what everyone believed it to be[/QUOTE]
Or a 4th option, where this whole situation is psy ops by the government.
This just in: Journalists sometimes jump the gun and cite the same early sources.
[QUOTE=areolop;40956679]Theres so many conflicting reports on what is actually going on with all this, I dont know where to stand.[/QUOTE] Best to stand back for a bit and wait for the story to straighten out
And in about a month, Americans will forget about it and move on. Just like everything else that happens in the last few years. When the fuck are people going to stand up? The more topics like these that come up, the more they will see how much they can get away with.
America's media has pretty much formed exactly what the government wanted. To just let things happen. People talk about it, time goes by, they eventually stop caring about it.
Journalism is pretty awful nowadays. Taking time to make sure that information is correct is punished by consumers - people want the newest developments, so journalists pick up on rumors and report them, which causes other reporters to cite the original report of a rumor as fact, and then everything snowballs until stupid stuff like this happens.
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;40957135]This just in: Journalists sometimes jump the gun and cite the same early sources.[/QUOTE]
The huge bandwagon where everyone rushed to bash corporations without a second doubt was just as bad
[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;40958655]The huge bandwagon where everyone rushed to bash corporations without a second doubt was just as bad[/QUOTE]
in this case i'm putting the blame on NSA since how some laws *cough*patriot act*couch* are written companies have no choice but to comply
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;40958686]in this case i'm putting the blame on NSA since how some laws *cough*patriot act*couch* are written companies have no choice but to comply[/QUOTE]
[url=http://www.theverge.com/2013/6/9/4410978/prism-data-collection-happens-without-tech-companies-knowledge]Apparently, the evil corporations didn't even know it was happening.[/url]
[QUOTE=Shiftyze;40958487]And in about a month, Americans will forget about it and move on. Just like everything else that happens in the last few years. When the fuck are people going to stand up? The more topics like these that come up, the more they will see how much they can get away with.
America's media has pretty much formed exactly what the government wanted. To just let things happen. People talk about it, time goes by, they eventually stop caring about it.[/QUOTE]
You talk as though you're incapable of doing anything.
You want it done, you go fucking do it.
[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;40958886]You talk as though you're incapable of doing anything.
You want it done, you go fucking do it.[/QUOTE]
I live in China. I can't.
Like, with FISA after the passing of the PATRIOT act, a trap/trace order, which can pretty much track what websites you use and emails you send, if a federal agency requests a trap/trace order, the judge in question has literally [B]no choice[/B] in the matter. He is required by law to allow one for the agency who requests. It is not outlandish to think the same sort of thing could be happening here. With a trap/trace order and several other types of wiretapping orders, the company is put under gag order, meaning they are legally forced to not disclose any knowledge of it at all.
The language that the company is using, and the denial even after the White House admitted that it has access seems to correlate with a gag order. The companies aren't lying to us because they want to protect something, its that they are legally forced to.
[editline]9th June 2013[/editline]
Not saying that it [I]is[/I] a trap/trace order, but it is definitely something that comes with a gag order
[editline]9th June 2013[/editline]
I just checked again, if PRISM is indeed a part of FISA, then it very well may be the gag order keeping the companies from saying that they were involved. Many court orders made via FISA is accompanied with a gag order
[QUOTE=Shiftyze;40958930]I live in China. I can't.[/QUOTE]
I guess I shouldn't trust flagdog as much as I have been.
[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;40959226]I guess I shouldn't trust flagdog as much as I have been.[/QUOTE]It's not flagdog, it's because of my VPN.
Oh, I think both possibilities are likely. Either no one knew what the fuck was going on and the NSA just build (according to ZDNET) just some kind of splitter on the Backbone of the Tier 1-Networks in order to gather Information externally or everyone is just lying.
[QUOTE=KILLTHIS;40959394]Oh, I think both possibilities are likely. Either no one knew what the fuck was going on and the NSA just build (according to ZDNET) just some kind of splitter on the Backbone of the Tier 1-Networks in order to gather Information externally or everyone is just lying.[/QUOTE]
I still say gag order. Technically, yeah the companies are lying, but there is nothing else they can do.
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;40959429]I still say gag order. Technically, yeah the companies are lying, but there is nothing else they can do.[/QUOTE]
I agree to that. At this point everyone will just fight for their reputation in order to minimize the caused damage. I'm still waiting for a bigger political backlash coming from outside the US but I expect very little to happen in this regard.
to be honest, in cases like this, sometimes, a denial is just as good as a confession. When government is involved, conspiracy runs rampant
[QUOTE=Shiftyze;40959357]It's not flagdog, it's because of my VPN.[/QUOTE]
careful man you might get executed
Regardless of what the corporations involved are doing there's no denying that the government is overstepping its bounds, but it's likely to turn out that they aren't overstepping it in any way we didn't already know about
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