Jury finds all members of Wildlife Refugee Standoff, NOT GUILTY - Polidicks

[quote] PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) - A federal jury has found Ammon Bundy and his six co-defendants not guilty on all charges for [B][URL="http://katu.com/news/local/ammon-bundy-ryan-refuge-trial-verdict-malheur-wildlife-consensus-jury-federal-portland-oregon"]taking over a federal wildlife refuge[/URL][/B] in eastern Oregon earlier this year. Standoff leaders Ammon and Ryan Bundy and five others were charged with conspiring to impede federal workers from their jobs at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge. Several also were charged with possessing a firearm in a federal facility. All seven defendants were found not guilty Thursday on all charges. The jury had no verdict for Ryan Bundy's theft of government property charge. Ammon Bundy's lawyer, [URL="http://katu.com/news/local/ammon-bundys-attorney-marcus-mumford-arrested-after-standoff-trial-verdict"]Marcus Mumford, is now in US Marshal custody[/URL] after repeatedly yelling his client was free to go after the verdict was read in a federal courtroom Thursday afternoon. The standoff began Jan. 2 and lasted nearly six weeks, bringing new attention to a long-running dispute over control of federal lands in the U.S. West. The confrontations reignited clashes dating to the so-called Sagebrush Rebellion of the late 1970s, when Western states such as Nevada tried to win more control of vast federal land holdings.[/quote] [url=http://katu.com/news/local/ammon-bundy-ryan-refuge-trial-verdict-malheur-wildlife-consensus-jury-federal-portland-oregon]KATU[/url] Honestly, with the current stuff going on at Standing Rock, anything short of this would mean that those at Standing Rock should be charge with far worse.

i'm worried about the precident this could set for right-wing extremists after Trump loses the election

Proof that jury nullification still exists and the system works.

[QUOTE=Judas;51271362]i'm worried about the precident this could set for right-wing extremists after Trump loses the election[/QUOTE] Something similar happens in the late 80's and early 90's with the first wave of the militia movement. Cannot remember the details, but their was a standoff in either NY or Penn. and the militia that did it managed to walk away without legal battles thanks to loopholing a few laws at the time.

[QUOTE=Judas;51271362]i'm worried about the precident this could set for right-wing extremists after Trump loses the election[/QUOTE] Your fantasies are moronic to be honest.

[QUOTE=hijacker;51271411]Your fantasies are moronic to be honest.[/QUOTE] is this what trumpets have resorted to

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;51271414]is this what trumpets have resorted to[/QUOTE] In what regard? I could care less about trump and his little toy band of misfits as well as Hillary's. I'm just stating my observations.

Fucking. The fact that the FBI backed down from the Bundy land standoff in Nevada despite numerous people committing felonies (pointing weapons at federal officers, to start) is [I]why[/I] they took over the Malheur Wildlife Refuge and believed they could do it with no consequences. [I]And here they are doing it with no consequences.[/I] :why: Well, except for LaVoy Finicum, but he had been talking about glorious suicide by cop for two weeks and he got what he wanted. These guys livestreamed themselves making statements encouraging their supporters to [B]kill cops[/B].

How how how how how????? A couple of them were charged with possesing a firearm in a federal facility, that's not a matter of opinion, they literally had firearms in a federal facility. What the fuck is wrong with the jury?

This is the shit, while I don't think It will escalate to civil war (However in the mind of the Right Wing Militia's it's going to be), Trump's Very Likely Loss is going to cause mayhem and violence with these types of people.

oh fuck right off, protestors occupy an area to stop an oil pipeline and theyre charged with everything up to terrorism, these fuckwits occupy and destroy a wildlife park and ACTUAL native american burial sites and almost run over police and pull guns on police and get off

[QUOTE=Sableye;51271508]oh fuck right off, protestors occupy an area to stop an oil pipeline and theyre charged with everything up to terrorism, these fuckwits occupy and destroy a wildlife park and ACTUAL native american burial sites and almost run over police and pull guns on police and get off[/QUOTE] Uh... Not sure if you have been paying attention to the stuff at Standing Rock, because the natives have been constantly attacking pipeline builders[my father being one of them], sabotaging equipment, and even have tried shooting at a few of the pipeline workers. We have an EAS go out every week for a possibility of them coming north to Bismarck-Mandan, and most of said EAS are about threat to life and property. The guys at the refuge had a standoff, LaVoy was shot a few times before flying off into the ditch, and still attempted to surrender and was then gunned down, hence why he attempted to react with his own firearm. You can actually see this in just about every video. Every other member of the group at the standoff effectively were given a pathway to go without getting handcuffed, and they all did so outside of a small group of seven, who later surrendered as well without incident after being told they would be given clemency. Whether or not they pointed guns at government officials isn't really up for debate, but they never shot or attacked anyone. They all pretty much went out peacefully, and tried to avoid any confrontation.

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;51271575]The guys at the refuge had a standoff, LaVoy was shot a few times before flying off into the ditch, and still attempted to surrender and was then gunned down, hence why he attempted to react with his own firearm. You can actually see this in just about every video.[/QUOTE] are you sure about that because i remember quite vividly, the way you were saying everything you possibly could to dismiss the most visibly dangerous tendencies and actions, no matter what so, when you talk about the man who, for weeks, bragged and boasted about how he'd rather die than be taken in, and say he tried to surrender (something that someone who was in the same car as him managed to do without incident), are you referring to that time when he repeatedly yelled out of his truck that they'd have to shoot him, or are you talking about the moment where he, again, yelled the same thing he'd been saying for weeks as he reached for his handgun?

If a group of Muslims did this then the entire nation would be calling for their head.

[QUOTE=TheBloodyNine;51271684]If a group of Muslims did this then the entire nation would be calling for their head.[/QUOTE] Considering the white Christian majority that's existed in this country since its founding then yeah that would more than likely happen. What was the point in your post exactly? As far as I can tell this incident wasn't over religion. Or are you just intentionally being vapid for gold stars?

[QUOTE=Sableye;51271508]oh fuck right off, protestors occupy an area to stop an oil pipeline and theyre charged with everything up to terrorism, these fuckwits occupy and destroy a wildlife park and ACTUAL native american burial sites and almost run over police and pull guns on police and get off[/QUOTE] Thats because the Natives on standing rock are blocking highways, vandalizing and destroying property, and attacking pipeline workers. The blowhards in the article occupied federal land and talked big. [editline]28th October 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=TheBloodyNine;51271684]If a group of Muslims did this then the entire nation would be calling for their head.[/QUOTE] If a group of foreigners came to the US and occupied federal land, then yea, it would be different. If a group of US citizens did this, then it would be the same outcome Furthermore, the entire natiom has now sway in a court decision, only the jury does. Doesnt matter if you think the whole of the US is bigoted and racist, or if it actually is, only thing that matters is the juries' prejudices.

[QUOTE=ultra_bright;51271366]Proof that jury nullification still exists and the system works.[/QUOTE] Proof that we can add "guaranteed to be selected for jury duty" as another hazard of eating paint chips.

[QUOTE=OmniConsUme;51271467]This is the shit, while I don't think It will escalate to civil war (However in the mind of the Right Wing Militia's it's going to be), Trump's Very Likely Loss is going to cause mayhem and violence with these types of people.[/QUOTE] No it wont. Theres always people who talk big before and after an election ends and none of them ever really act on it aside from some suicides. I remember when Kerry lost the election, some guy blew his brains out with a shotgun at an airport. [editline]28th October 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Mingebox;51271760]Proof that we can add "guaranteed to be selected for jury duty" as another hazard of eating paint chips.[/QUOTE] "I am more well informed than people who sat in a court room for weeks on end and examined evidence for hours" said the man who has seen a few youtube videos and read a few articles.

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;51271414]is this what trumpets have resorted to[/QUOTE] If the other side is expecting Americans to go back to lynching people for voting against drumpf. (and getting away with it in court) Then I don't think there is an issue with calling bat shit out

[QUOTE=ultra_bright;51271366]Proof that jury nullification still exists and the system works.[/QUOTE] This type of result is [I]extremely rare[/I] - I cant even stress how rare it is. So few cases even make it to court, let alone a jury trial.

[QUOTE=snapshot32;51271710]Considering the white Christian majority that's existed in this country since its founding then yeah that would more than likely happen. What was the point in your post exactly? As far as I can tell this incident wasn't over religion. Or are you just intentionally being vapid for gold stars?[/QUOTE] Yeah I really care that much about internet points. My point is that if these guys were Muslims then they wouldn't be receiving the frankly odd amounts of support they've been getting from the far right and it would have been considered a terrorist attack.

[QUOTE=TheBloodyNine;51271829]Yeah I really care that much about internet points. My point is that if these guys were Muslims then they wouldn't be receiving the frankly odd amounts of support they've been getting from the far right and it would have been considered a terrorist attack.[/QUOTE] This isn't much of a point to make, general xenophobia is a big issue in this country. Reminding people of that fact in a completely unrelated topic with no prompt to do so is pointless. [QUOTE=Matthew0505;51271837]Are you trying to say it's okay to be extra harsh to a group as long as it's a minority one?[/QUOTE] I'm saying what he described was an inevitability and also completely unrelated to the topic. Please don't misrepresent my point trying to chase shadows.

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;51271575]Uh... Not sure if you have been paying attention to the stuff at Standing Rock, because the natives have been constantly attacking pipeline builders[my father being one of them], sabotaging equipment, and even have tried shooting at a few of the pipeline workers. We have an EAS go out every week for a possibility of them coming north to Bismarck-Mandan, and most of said EAS are about threat to life and property. The guys at the refuge had a standoff, LaVoy was shot a few times before flying off into the ditch, and still attempted to surrender and was then gunned down, hence why he attempted to react with his own firearm. You can actually see this in just about every video. Every other member of the group at the standoff effectively were given a pathway to go without getting handcuffed, and they all did so outside of a small group of seven, who later surrendered as well without incident after being told they would be given clemency. Whether or not they pointed guns at government officials isn't really up for debate, but they never shot or attacked anyone. They all pretty much went out peacefully, and tried to avoid any confrontation.[/QUOTE] Ok i wasn't aware that the standoff in Standing Rock had gotten way past a bunch of occupying protests but that guy didn't get "gunned down" he jumped out of a truck that was trying to run cops over, stood up with his hands up then when the cops were approaching him he pulled a gun and got taken out. now i don't know if he was the driver or not but if he wasn't then whoever was driving that truck should at least be charged with attempted vehicular homicide because he was trying to ram through a police blockade and run over the officers there

[QUOTE=Sableye;51271946]Ok i wasn't aware that the standoff in Standing Rock had gotten way past a bunch of occupying protests but that guy didn't get "gunned down" he jumped out of a truck that was trying to run cops over, stood up with his hands up then when the cops were approaching him he pulled a gun and got taken out. now i don't know if he was the driver or not but if he wasn't then whoever was driving that truck should at least be charged with attempted vehicular homicide because he was trying to ram through a police blockade and run over the officers there[/QUOTE] [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWLHiU8gYWY[/media] Edit: Just found a video of them synced up. You can tell they lit him up as soon as he left the car, and were shooting at him before hand.

[QUOTE=Judas;51271362]i'm worried about the precident this could set for right-wing extremists after Trump loses the election[/QUOTE] It could be bad, but it could be good. Anyone right winger with a sense of direction in their life will take this as the government not being as bad as they thought, and maybe they'll cooperate a little more. But knowing right wingers, this could be very bad.

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;51272674][media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWLHiU8gYWY[/media] Edit: Just found a video of them synced up. You can tell they lit him up as soon as he left the car, and were shooting at him before hand.[/QUOTE] For anyone that doesn't want to watch a 12 minute video: A shot is fired but doesn't connect, while LaVoy yells "Go ahead and shoot me" repeatedly. A few seconds pass as the police attempt to close in on him. LaVoy then reaches for a gun before he gets lit up. JoeSkylynx: "LaVoy was shot a few times before flying off into the ditch, and still attempted to surrender and was then gunned down, hence why he attempted to react with his own firearm." How are you so wrong when you just posted it?

[QUOTE=Judas;51271362]i'm worried about the precident this could set for right-wing extremists after Trump loses the election[/QUOTE] I can see where you are coming from, but ultimately they achieved nothing, they had a pretty bad time, and one of them even died. It's not that appealing, imho.

Shooting at cops is now a peaceful protest in Oregorn, according to this trial. Just think about it. Just fucking think about this shit! This is fucking terrible precedent!

Some laws need to be changed

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;51272674][media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWLHiU8gYWY[/media] Edit: Just found a video of them synced up. You can tell they lit him up as soon as he left the car, and were shooting at him before hand.[/QUOTE] The police shoots every time he poses a threat. When he sits still in the car, no shooting. When he tries to ram them (and hits one officer), they shoot. When he gets out of the car without being ordered to, they shoot. Once he leaves the car with hands up, they do not shoot. The police was approaching to make an arrest when he had his hands up. They then shoot him once he grabs for a gun instead. That is fuckin' [B]excellent[/B] police work and judgement at work in a crazy tense situation.