Danish elections over, opposition wins, racist bullshit party comes in second - Polidicks

[QUOTE]Denmark's opposition parties have beaten the governing coalition after a close general election. With all mainland votes counted, the centre-right group led by ex-PM Lars Løkke Rasmussen beat PM Helle Thorning-Schmidt's centre-left coalition, although her party is the largest. Ms Thorning-Schmidt has now stood down as Social Democratic Party leader. [B]The right-wing, anti-immigration Danish People's Party will become the second-largest in parliament.[/B] The DPP's leader Kristian Thulesen Dahl had previously poured cold water on the idea of going into government. He told Denmark's Politiken he preferred "the little free bird role, which can make the Danish People's Party come closer to getting our policy through in the real world than you think". [B]But Mr Dahl could yet be in a position to make a bid to become prime minister.[/B][/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-33171549"]BBC[/URL] Basically, the Danish actually-right-wing party beat out the traditional leader of the 'right' wing, Left. Now Left will have a hard time leading the right wing without right wingers having influence on Left's policies, putting the country in danger of a right-winged Left-led right-government. The old government-party, Social-democrats, still hold the biggest amount of seats, but the combined force of the right-wing DPP and Løkke's Left together means it's gonna be a right-wing government, but hopefully without the right-wing party. If there is a loving God and we have not angered him. [sp]Danish politics are confusing.[/sp] [editline]19th June 2015[/editline] The distribution of the 179 mandates is as follows: 47 - Social Democrats (Moderate left-wing social-liberalist party) 37 - Danish People's Party (National-socialist right-wing party) 34 - Left (Right-wing liberal-socialist party) 14 - The Red-greens (As they'd like to be called in English. Non-revolutionary Marxist party, left wing) 13 - Liberal Alliance (Libertarian party - Right wing) 9 - The Alternative (Environmentalist party - Left wing) 8 - Radical Left (Centralist social-liberalist party - left-aligned) 7 - Socialist People's Party (Socialist party - Left-wing) 6 - Conservatives (Conservative party - Right wing) 0 - Christian Democrats (Christian conservative party - Right wing) The remaining four are from our North-atlantic dependencies, usually independent of major parties, and always left-wing, putting the distribution at [B]89 - 90[/B]

I'm honestly concerned if the main focus of the possible new right wing government will be stricter immigration policies (aka keep the brown people out) rather than actual liberal economical policies. The DPP's strategy of appealing to the popular opinion of the lowest common denominator is apparently working extremely well for them, and that worries me, as I find their rhetoric degrading of other people more often than not.

Well, it all depends, if Tulle-boy wants to go for his usual chair, a bigger chair or [I]the biggest chair[/I]. He can, in theory, become prime minister by this. Which, even if we look away from them being racists who don't give a fuck about anyone below the age of 50, is a disaster given their policies on economy (Can't math, when another party decided to math for them it turned out they wanted to spend ten times as much as the budget allows) and the European Union. Let's just hope they go for a traditional Left-Conservative possibly-LA government. Anything to keep DPP out of it.

Denmark no, what are you doing? You don't want to turn into the kinda obese, alcoholic, anti-immigrant Scandinavian country where the only good thing is Legoland, do you? Edit: Sources, I guess: [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_alcohol_consumption_per_capita"]Denmark drinks about twice as much as Norway[/URL], and [URL="http://www.oecd.org/els/health-systems/Obesity-Update-2014.pdf"]Denmark has a higher obesity rate than Norway and Sweden, but are beaten by Finland[/URL].

[QUOTE=A Noobcake;48003024]Denmark no, what are you doing? You don't want to turn into the kinda obese, alcoholic, anti-immigrant Scandinavian country where the only good thing is Legoland, do you?[/QUOTE] We're sorry, Norway! We're so sorry! We didn't mean for it to end like this... But-... But if we're lucky, somebody will do something to keep DPP out? It's... Not entirely impossible. Radical Left's policy is basically full-on counter-working whatever DPP wants, neither Left nor LA wants anything to do with them, and in theory (Not in practice, because politics are stupid), the Social Democrats and Left are close enough to each other, politically, to form functional government, they just don't do it because they're each others 'enemies', despite like, 70-80% political likeness.

Enhedslisten ftw 9% more votes for the nazi's this year...they will be in charge in 4 years. Scary

[QUOTE=can man;48003059]Enhedslisten ftw 9% more votes for the nazi's this year...they will be in charge in 4 years. Scary[/QUOTE] I voted SF, but I'm honestly fine with [I]literally anything that isn't DPP[/I]. Fuck, I'd vote fuckin' LA if that meant I could keep Tulle from getting a chair.

I give up on this forsaken country. I don't even know where to go now. No country is sane anymore. Godspeed, fellow danish citizens: fascist, bigoted assholes have won.

To be fair, a large amount of people have been criticizing the immagration policies for a long time. When DPP finally gets some backup, everyone else is like: "omg racist bastards" Fucking pathetic.

[QUOTE=Karsten600;48003131]To be fair, a large amount of people have been criticizing the immagration policies for a long time. When DPP finally gets some backup, everyone else is like: "omg racist bastards" Fucking pathetic.[/QUOTE] If it was just the immigration issue, and not the batshit insane policies and complete and utter lack of economic sense displayed by the DPP.

Anti-immigration equals racism, bigotry and fascism since when? Stay classy, SH.

[QUOTE=Zhid;48003194]Anti-immigration equals racism, bigotry and fascism since when? Stay classy, SH.[/QUOTE] Anti-muslim, actually. And anti gay marriage, if we really wanna ride the SH bandwagon.

Ideally DPP will stay out of the government since they know that they don't know anything about how to into government, and they'll let V in. Then they can just sit in the FT and argue about immigration all day, with hopefully everyone else blocking whatever insane squabble they'll feel like letting out.

[QUOTE=Zhid;48003194]Anti-immigration equals racism, bigotry and fascism since when? Stay classy, SH.[/QUOTE] Anti-immigration is literally racism. When you talk about having too much immigrants, no one means americans or europeans. By immigrants people mean syrian, lybian and people from other arabic countries. And by saying "We don't want those people here; the white people ar fine though" you are being a racist. Is that that hard to grasp?

[QUOTE=Riller;48003154]If it was just the immigration issue, and not the batshit insane policies and complete and utter lack of economic sense displayed by the DPP.[/QUOTE] That's what happens when the established parties doesn't dare to talk about immigration issues. People will seek to the newer parties with a stricter immigration policies, and those parties will often have more "conservative" values such as pro-life, anti-gay, pro-death penalty and so on. Values that are quite foreign in Scandinavian nations.

[QUOTE=The Saiko;48003235] Anti-immigration is literally racism. [/QUOTE] We don't want more lower skilled workers to compete with our poor and people that have a culture that radically clashes with ours (womens rights, anti-semitism, views on violence, etc)?

[QUOTE=The Saiko;48003235]Anti-immigration is literally racism. When you talk about having too much immigrants, no one means americans or europeans. By immigrants people mean syrian, lybian and people from other arabic countries. And by saying "We don't want those people here; the white people ar fine though" you are being a racist. Is that that hard to grasp?[/QUOTE] I really wonder why people aren't against skilled immigrants (most American/European immigrants)

Best case scenario is that we go full america and the left shuts down anything the right is trying to do, to force an early re-election due to nothing being done.

[QUOTE=Crimor;48003318]Best case scenario is that we go full america and the left shuts down anything the right is trying to do, to force an early re-election due to nothing being done.[/QUOTE] That'd fuck over the left's ratings. Best case scenario is probably 2007 - 2011 V2: Electric boogaloo followed by a left-win due to terrible 2007 - 2011 conditions and Mette Frederiksen as S's leader.

[QUOTE=The Saiko;48003235]Anti-immigration is literally racism. When you talk about having too much immigrants, no one means americans or europeans. By immigrants people mean syrian, lybian and people from other arabic countries. And by saying "We don't want those people here; the white people ar fine though" you are being a racist. Is that that hard to grasp?[/QUOTE] No? I don't want more immigrants in my country not because they're brown but it's a matter of overpopulation and economy. The kind of people I debate with, omg.

I still love how the really racist party leader has "Thule" in his name though, considering the nazi connotations.

[QUOTE=The Saiko;48003235]Anti-immigration is literally racism. When you talk about having too much immigrants, no one means americans or europeans. By immigrants people mean syrian, lybian and people from other arabic countries. And by saying "We don't want those people here; the white people ar fine though" you are being a racist. Is that that hard to grasp?[/QUOTE] It has literally nothing to do with race, it's mostly about culture and background. Immigrants from Europe and America are far more likely to assimilate into the country that they immigrate to because the country they come from is relatively similar (i.e Western, Liberal Democracy) with a high standard of living and education. Whilst many of the immigrants coming from North Africa and the Middle East come from entirely different cultures and backgrounds and while I can't speak for Denmark, in the UK many of them don't even try to assimilate and only live around other immigrants. As these immigrants are also generally speaking coming from a country with a substantially lower standard of living and poorer education system, it means that they're less able to contribute to society than other immigrants. Most of the European anti-immigration parties aren't racist for wanting to get rid of open door immigration, they just want to control which migrants come into the country to ensure that only ones which can contribute to society can. This isn't to say that all immigrants from that area of world shouldn't be allowed into the country, but there should be tighter immigration controls so that we can decide which immigrants to reject and which ones to accept.

[QUOTE=Zhid;48003336]No? I don't want more immigrants in my country not because they're brown but it's a matter of overpopulation and economy. The kind of people I debate with, omg.[/QUOTE] Overpopulation is a myth and immigrants are positive for the economy in low population growth countries like most of western Europe.

[QUOTE=Riller;48003358]Overpopulation is a myth and immigrants are positive for the economy in low population growth countries like most of western Europe.[/QUOTE] Hell, if I remember right, the immigration wave of asian(Mainly Vietnamese I think?) in the 70's/80's(?) helped a fuckton with the economy.

Yup, that's democracy for ya. Sometimes, you simply have to spout populist lowest common denominator bullshit to get elected. Which is actually incredible, how they were able to do that, considering that the population has never had better access to information regarding politics before. But, if that is the choice of the majority of people, then that is their right. We can hope that they won't do to much damage. If they decide to take the big seat, they HAVE to live up to their populist rhetoric, something I think they know they won't be able to (their economic plan alone is completely idiotic and has no basis in reality)... Which would mean bye bye to all their newly gained influence, as their approval rating inevitably would start to dwindle when they have to actually, you know, do [I]politics[/I] instead of sitting comfortably on the side line and talk shit about everyone. Never the less, I hope people are ready to face up to the potential consequences this might have for our position in the EU and immigration politics. In the end, it's the peoples responsibility to vote in competent politicians, and we can't blame anyone else if shit starts to hit the fan. You reap what you sow.

[QUOTE=The mouse;48003355]It has literally nothing to do with race, it's mostly about culture and background. Immigrants from Europe and America are far more likely to assimilate into the country that they immigrate too because the country they come from is relatively similar (i.e Western, Liberal Democracy) with a high standard of living and education. Whilst many of the immigrants coming from North Africa and the Middle East come from entirely different cultures and backgrounds and while I can't speak for Denmark, in the UK many of them don't even try to assimilate and only live around other immigrants. As these immigrants are also generally speaking coming from a country with a substantially lower standard of living and poorer education system, it means that they're less able to contribute to society than other immigrants. Most of the European anti-immigration parties aren't racist for wanting to get rid of open door immigration, they just want to control which migrants come into the country to ensure that only ones which can contribute to society can. This isn't to say that all immigrants from that area of world shouldn't be allowed into the country, but there should be tighter immigration controls so that we can decide which immigrants to reject and which ones to accept.[/QUOTE] The deciding factor for me, is the fact that each and every one of the people that I know that vote for the DPP (grand parents, old friends) are blatantly anti-muslim and some times even downright racist and homophobic, as in they think people of a certain color and sexuality are lesser people because of it. If the party is supposed represent its voters, then the party is certainly intolerant, and to a large degree racist and homophobic.

If you look at the voting districts, it seem pretty obvious why DF got such a lead. [IMG]http://i.hizliresim.com/NqBl3a.png[/IMG] Notice all the places where they voted DF are places where they seem to have trouble with immigrant related crimes. And then you could argue there's a presence of terror scare as a result of the attack that happened earlier.

[QUOTE=Riller;48003358]Overpopulation is a myth and immigrants are positive for the economy in low population growth countries like most of western Europe.[/QUOTE] No it's not. Why do so many people not understand what overpopulation is? Overpopulation refers to when a population of individuals exceeds carrying capacity. Whether we're talking in the scientific sense (i.e. there's an unsustainable population of 7.3+ billion people on Earth, and they're depleting the planet's natural resources faster than they're being replenished) or in the economic sense (i.e. we live in a small country where jobs are scarce enough as it is, and we already can't offer everybody a job, but we continue to accept more people in despite the fact we can't provide for them and they can't be productive). Immigrants can be positive, but this faith-based idea of "well we'll just take them all in and everything will be great" is retarded. It doesn't work that way; if you want positive outcomes, then start accepting only the best ones to allow in to your country: the well-educated, the wealthy (provided they'll surrender a portion of their assets over to your government), the intelligent who although they might not be well-educated yet show great potential if they were provided with an education, etc. And you especially need to make sure you turn down the ones who don't show much hope for assimilating. Assimilation, economics aside, is incredibly important for social harmony within a society, because it ensures everyone has a decent amount of commonality between them and therefore that they'll be able to coexist in the long term with minimal tension (big surprise: people like other people who are similar to them).

[QUOTE=Bonde;48003432]The deciding factor for me, is the fact that each and every one of the people that I know that vote for the DPP (grand parents, old friends) are blatantly anti-muslim and some times even downright racist and homophobic, as in they think people of a certain color and sexuality are lesser people because of it. If the party is supposed represent its voters, then the party is certainly intolerant, and to a large degree racist and homophobic.[/QUOTE] This sort of thing is the curse of many of the new Anti-immigration parties across Europe, while these parties themselves aren't racist, some of the people who vote for them are legitimately xenophobic. This unfortunately for them then reflects on the parties themselves, after all they could make the best, most eloquent arguments for immigration controls and they'd still look bad when the racists come along and agree with them despite having entirely missed the point of what the party was saying.

How did you come to the conclusion that Liberal Alliance is libertarian? 40% tax is pretty far from libertarian. Voted for them because if you care about personal freedom and are against more surviliance, you basicly got the choice between them, Enhedslisten (a party which wanted to abolish private land ownership until some years ago) and alternativet (which is a fine protest party, but i'm having a hard time taking them serius). Although the results suck with DF getting so many votes. The positive side is that 20% of people voted for personal freedom (I+Ø+Å).