Feminists 'are more likely to watch porn': In perhaps surprising news, people who watched pornograph
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[b]Feminists 'are more likely to watch porn'[/b]
Via [url=http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/11865582/feminist-porn-study.html]The Telegraph[/url]
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Porn watchers are more likely to be feminist, a study from the University of Western Ontario has found.
The article "Is pornography really about making hate to women?" was published in The Journal of Sex Research and it found that in a sample of people who watched porn, they were more likely to be feminist than not.
The study abstract says: "According to radical feminist theory, pornography serves to further the subordination of women by training its users, males and females alike, to view women as little more than sex objects over whom men should have complete control".
However, according to the study, people who had watched an adult film at least once in the past year had more egalatarian ideas about women in positions of power than those who hadn't.
The study concluded that watching pornography didn't make viewers hold more hostile attitudes towards women.
This is a complete contradiction of radical feminist ideology.[/quote]
Color me surprised.
I seem to have heard something along the lines of how feminists can be pretty freaky in the sack. Can't confirm it, unfortunately...
Radfems were wrong? Color me surprised.
Can confirm that feminists can get down and dirty under the sheets. Also some of the most staunch feminists I know are like kinky as fuck and love porn.
One of my good friends is kind of a feminist, she writes blogs and does those shitty youtube opinion videos. However she tells me she can only masturbate to bukake porn and stuff...
Surprised it wasn't more well known though that feminist women watch porn. Like when I tell my feminist friends I don't watch porn they think I'm a freak.
It's like sex positivity and sexual revolution were somehow related to feminism, huh?
No shit some women like porn. 50 Shades of Grey wouldn't be popular if women didn't like porn.
[QUOTE=greasemunky;48692911]Radfems were wrong? Color me surprised.[/QUOTE]
B-but I've read on Tumblr that porn is literally a device for patriarchal opression!! PORN IS EVIL!!111
How is this surprising news? That progressive people are more likely to be ok with porn. Also I'm confused about how everyone is defining feminist, are we talking activist? Because otherwise we're all feminists since we all believe in gender equality. I hope.
[QUOTE=gufu;48692930]It's like sex positivity and sexual revolution were somehow related to feminism, huh?[/QUOTE]
Yea they are all about promoting sexual health in women and men alike. Like if someone takes it too far and starts seeing one gender or the other as just walking sex objects then the objections come into play.
[editline]15th September 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;48692940]B-but I've read on Tumblr that porn is literally a device for patriarchal opression!! PORN IS EVIL!!111[/QUOTE]
Really they only say that when it comes to blatant objectification through addiction to pornography. Sex positivity and safe sexual realization are a big part of the feminist movement.
Of course people who identify as feminists watch more porn. I would be much more surprised if they found the opposite. The main opposition to watching porn comes from the religious and conservative side of the populace... both groups that are the least likely to also include self-identified feminists.
[QUOTE=greasemunky;48692911]Radfems were wrong? Color me surprised.[/QUOTE]
Being a radical feminist hardly means you are trying to oppress sexual urges. Radical feminists are just feminists who wish to end sexism in all places. Being a radical doesn't equate to being oppressive or bad, it just means you want drastic change. While its true that some feminist theory accuses the pornography industry of legitimizing women as sexual prey, you'd be hard pressed to find a significant portion of the feminist movement that outright opposes all pornography.
[editline]16th September 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;48692940]B-but I've read on Tumblr that porn is literally a device for patriarchal opression!! PORN IS EVIL!!111[/QUOTE]
A lot of porn, whether you want to admit it or not, does indeed portray females negatively. It often objectifies and degrades women. That's totally fine if both people are into it, but I would argue that it would be a great move to try to start programs to ensure and inform viewers that the involved people MUST both be consenting.
[QUOTE=soccerskyman;48692973]A lot of porn, whether you want to admit it or not, does indeed portray females negatively. It often objectifies and degrades women. That's totally fine if both people are into it, but I would argue that it would be a great move to try to start programs to ensure and inform viewers that the involved people MUST both be consenting.[/QUOTE]
I think it's implicit on most of those movies that the actors are in on it - hell, they are all in on it, the second they agree to get paid to fuck in front of a camera, days before the shooting. I don't think there's a need for a "warning: the people shown in this film were totally okay with what you're about to see, it's totally not rape, so wank away" disclaimer.
It's not like porn is made for 8-year-olds, I see no reason to explain anything on it, because it's for adults only. It's just... porn. People fucking, period.
Now, if Sasha Grey's films "trigger" you, no matter how much you know she's in on it, and how much she *agreed* to be shown and treated as a cum dumpster... just don't watch it.
[editline]16th September 2015[/editline]
What you're thinking is a like a porn version of the PMRC ratings for Metal albums, the kind of crap Tipper Gore pushed back in the '80s, warning everyone of the evils of Metal.
In the end we could end up with porn covers with a "Rated R for Simulated Rape" label on the bottom right corner... and you'll get the precisely opposite reaction. People aren't gonna shy away from it, they'll eat it up even more than before.
[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;48693045]I think it's implicit on most of those movies that the actors are in on it - hell, they are all in on it, the second they agree to get paid to fuck in front of a camera, days before the shooting. I don't think there's a need for a "warning: the people shown in this film were totally okay with what you're about to see, it's totally not rape, so wank away" disclaimer.
It's not like porn is made for 8-year-olds, I see no reason to explain anything on it, because it's for adults only. It's just... porn. People fucking, period.
Now, if Sasha Grey's films "trigger" you, no matter how much you know she's in on it, and how much she *agreed* to be shown and treated as a cum dumpster... just don't watch it.
[editline]16th September 2015[/editline]
What you're thinking is a like a porn version of the PMRC ratings for Metal albums, the kind of crap Tipper Gore pushed back in the '80s, warning everyone of the evils of Metal.
In the end we could end up with porn covers with a "Rated R for Simulated Rape" label on the bottom right corner... and you'll get the precisely opposite reaction.[/QUOTE]
I think the point he is trying to make is that some people have a hard time separating the entertainment of porn from what real life sex and relationships are. Like I have known some people who, from over indulging in porn, have very messed up views on what sex should be. Viewers of porn just need to know that porn is nothing like real sex, and holding expectations based on what entertainment has "taught" you will most likely only lead to the person objectifying their sexual partner and overall having unenjoyable sex either for the both of them or just their partner.
[QUOTE=splenda;48693080]I think the point he is trying to make is that some people have a hard time separating the entertainment of porn from what real life sex and relationships are. Like I have known some people who, from over indulging in porn, have very messed up views on what sex should be. Viewers of porn just need to know that porn is nothing like real sex, and holding expectations based on what entertainment has "taught" you will most likely only lead to the person objectifying their sexual partner and overall having unenjoyable sex either for the both of them or just their partner.[/QUOTE]
True, there's always a minority of retards who ruin it for everyone, but then again - and making a parallelism with Metal music - the same thing can be seen in Metal.
No one is supposed to take Metal lyrics seriously, yet you have idiots who are full-on satanists burning churches (looking at you, Norwegian BM scene) "because the Dark Lord told me so".
Or worse, they tend to be ellitist pricks and diss any and all musical genres, considering Metal the best thing ever, and anything else "gay", when we all know that there are plenty of great artists and bands out there, outside the Metal umbrella. They can be the most unidimensional, insufferable cunts ever.
My point is, it *could* be used for good, but it'd have the opposite reaction, and would change very little, because those idiots just can't be arsed to educate themselves on the matter, much less if you gave them a 5-second pseudo lecture on humanity, before watching porn.
[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;48693105]True, there's always a minority of retards who ruin it for everyone, but then again - and making a parallelism with Metal music - the same thing can be seen in Metal.
No one is supposed to take Metal lyrics seriously, yet you have idiots who are full-on satanists burning churches (looking at you, Norwegian BM scene) "because the Dark Lord told me so".
Or worse, they tend to be ellitist pricks and diss any and all musical genres, considering Metal the best thing ever, and anything else "gay", when we all know that there are plenty of great artists and bands out there, outside the Metal umbrella.
My point is, it *could* be used for good, but it'd have the opposite reaction, and would change very little, because those idiots just can't be arsed to educate themselves on the matter, much less if you gave them a 5-second pseudo lecture on humanity, before watching porn.[/QUOTE]
Yea I know but I guess the old saying of a few bad apples ruins the bunch applies to both of these. Personally I don't watch porn because whenever I tried to I would always remind myself what I'm watching and then would just feel embarrassed/weired out. Like I totally agree that shitty people are going to stay shitty people, no matter what kind of public service announcement or whatever porn could have in front of it, because the only people who would actually read and take those messages to heart are the ones who already know that porn is not realistic, while all the others will just ignore them. It would be interesting to see if the information age, or whatever the post internet age is called, has a higher amount of unrealistic sexual expectations because of the ease of finding porn of all shapes and sizes now, or if the numbers are the same but it is just easier to foster the ideas now.
Ok but how did they even word these questions? Its generally suggested that the effect of porn is more subtle than "I saw a woman get fucked and now i dont think they deserve equal rights" and a lot more to do with bending on ideas of consent and other things which wouldnt be so easily picked up by obvious questions for "are you a feminist".
[QUOTE=gufu;48692930]It's like sex positivity and sexual revolution were somehow related to feminism, huh?[/QUOTE]
This statement would have made sense in the 20th century. You are late.
[QUOTE=Rhenae;48693157]Ok but how did they even word these questions? Its generally suggested that the effect of porn is more subtle than "I saw a woman get fucked and now i dont think they deserve equal rights" and a lot more to do with bending on ideas of consent and other things which wouldnt be so easily picked up by obvious questions for "are you a feminist".[/QUOTE]
Wouldn't hurt to go look at the [url=http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00224499.2015.1023427#abstract]study itself[/url]
[quote]According to radical feminist theory, pornography serves to further the subordination of women by training its users, males and females alike, to view women as little more than sex objects over whom men should have complete control. Composite variables from the General Social Survey were used to test the hypothesis that pornography users would hold attitudes that were more supportive of gender nonegalitarianism than nonusers of pornography. Results did not support hypotheses derived from radical feminist theory. [B]Pornography users held more egalitarian attitudes—toward women in positions of power, toward women working outside the home, and toward abortion—than nonusers of pornography. Further, pornography users and pornography nonusers did not differ significantly in their attitudes toward the traditional family and in their self-identification as feminist. The results of this study suggest that pornography use may not be associated with gender nonegalitarian attitudes in a manner that is consistent with radical feminist theory.[/B][/quote]
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;48693536]Wouldn't hurt to go look at the [url=http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00224499.2015.1023427#abstract]study itself[/url][/QUOTE]
The study more says that people who watch porn (openly at least) are less likely to be very conservative. I don't think of being opposed to traditional family roles as being a particularly radical idea in the west today. It's not like they were asking people about rape culture and the wage gap and whether or not air conditioning is sexist.
I wish people would stop paying so much attention to the 1% of crazy idiots.
On a related side note, I used to know a guy whos wife saw watching porn as cheating.
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[QUOTE=Javelin;48693553]I wish people would stop paying so much attention to the 1% of crazy idiots.[/QUOTE]
Well until feminist sites like EverydayFeminism, Jezebel, and The Mary Sue stop posting garbage that's eaten up by feminists then they're never going to drop the stereotype of being crazy. I mean even more mainstream sources like Huffington Post commonly post garbage articles related to feminism. Shit, even NPR jumped on the AC is sexist bandwagon. Some guy on CNN spoke out against it and immediately tons of articles popped up on the internet bitching about him 'mansplaining'. Shit like that is why people dislike feminists.
[QUOTE=Tmaxx;48693653]On a related side note, I used to know a guy whos wife saw watching porn as cheating.
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He actually married someone who considers porn to be cheating? He is the crazy one there.
[QUOTE=soccerskyman;48692973]Being a radical feminist hardly means you are trying to oppress sexual urges. Radical feminists are just feminists who wish to end sexism in all places. Being a radical doesn't equate to being oppressive or bad, it just means you want drastic change. While its true that some feminist theory accuses the pornography industry of legitimizing women as sexual prey, you'd be hard pressed to find a significant portion of the feminist movement that outright opposes all pornography.[/QUOTE]
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminist_sex_wars[/url]
Sex positive feminism is prevalent but saying that sex negative feminism hardly exists at all is pretty silly.
[QUOTE=elfbarf;48693661]Well until feminist sites like EverydayFeminism, Jezebel, and The Mary Sue stop posting garbage that's eaten up by feminists then they're never going to drop the stereotype of being crazy. I mean even more mainstream sources like Huffington Post commonly post garbage articles related to feminism.[/QUOTE]
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Reminds me of that gawker article that basically said that husband/boyfriend abuse was empowerment with the hundreds of comments that were just stories of abusers cheering eachother on.
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Reminds me of that gawker article that basically said that husband/boyfriend abuse was empowerment with the hundreds of comments that were just stories of abusers cheering eachother on.[/QUOTE]
Reverse the genders and the man would be in prison serving a sentence. If it's a woman then it's still man's fault. What's wrong with people like that? Do they not realize that abolishing women of responsibilities makes them look like children, not like adults?
This study is severely flawed. They judged if someone was a feminist effectively on self-identification, "are you pro-abortion" and "do you support the notion of women working outside the home", which is literally everyone who was born after 1990. Even then, there was low correlation between self-identifying as 'feminist' and supporting the view of a "traditional family" (see: Limitations section of study).
because white knighting ain't gonna make her ride yo dick fo dis, right? get real
And thus watch porn
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;48693709][url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminist_sex_wars[/url]
Sex positive feminism is prevalent but saying that sex negative feminism hardly exists at all is pretty silly.[/QUOTE]
I wish we had solid, detailed statistical data about what political opinions people hold so we could stop speculating about questions like "how many Americans are anti-porn feminists"...
So the assumption that it objectifies women and little girls is as valid as the other assumptions like how video games cause hate crimes, violence
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