• UN: Israel illegally demolishing Palestinian homes, 77 Palestinians, half of them children made home
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[quote]The United Nations has slammed Israel’s destruction of Palestinian homes in the occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem as illegal and unfair, after a series of demolitions this week left dozens of Palestinians—mostly children—homeless. "In the past three days, 77 Palestinians, over half of them children, have been made homeless," the U.N. Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) said in a statement issued late Friday. "Some of the demolished structures were provided by the international community to support vulnerable families." "Demolitions that result in forced evictions and displacement run counter to Israel's obligations under international law and create unnecessary suffering and tension. They must stop immediately," said OCHA. The demolitions occurred in the West Bank cities of Ramallah, Jericho and Hebron, as well as East Jerusalem.[/quote] [url]http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/1/24/un-israel.html[/url]
Fucking hell, it just keeps on getting worse and worse doesn't it?
[QUOTE=Falkok15;47004591]Fucking hell, it just keeps on getting worse and worse doesn't it?[/QUOTE] Not really, it's just like this all the time. Unrelenting, systematic lawfare.
Some of those kids will probably grow up to shoot Israelis. I can't blame them.
Stay Classy Israel. You know your day will come eventually.
angry letters, and so forth this is why everything is horrible
Can any Israeli FP'ers explain why this is allowed? It's dreadful but I want to know how they see it.
[QUOTE=Thomo_UK;47004812]Can any Israeli FP'ers explain why this is allowed? It's dreadful but I want to know how they see it.[/QUOTE] I think most Israeli's disagree or try to stay out of the affairs of the state. From what I can tell, the separation between people and government there is quite high, so things the government does are not necessarily things that the people want. But I am not Israeli, that is just my guess since that is kind of what happens when my government does a shitty thing.
[QUOTE=Thomo_UK;47004812]Can any Israeli FP'ers explain why this is allowed? It's dreadful but I want to know how they see it.[/QUOTE] The argument as I understand is essentially, "[B]No no, the land was ours all along. They were squatters.[/B] The problem is sticky because the land, under some understandings, IS Israeli. However it's also very clearly got people living on it, people who do not pay taxes to Israel and who have no reason to want to be part of Israel and so on and so forth. Israel then just says it's clearing land for residential growth, and evicting squatters. Totally legal, QED, habeus habeus and all that.
[QUOTE=Thomo_UK;47004812]Can any Israeli FP'ers explain why this is allowed? It's dreadful but I want to know how they see it.[/QUOTE] Absence of building permits is used as legal pretext for the demolitions, however 94% of permit applications by Palestinians are denied. [url]http://www.icahd.org/the-facts[/url]
The razing of Palestinian homes is a terrorist act, but they pretend it's legitimate by claiming the Palestinian settlements are illegal.
The Nazis had a word for this. Lebensraum.
If you have a problem with it, you're an antisemite. Fuckin' horseshit. This is unacceptable.
[QUOTE=Thomo_UK;47004812]Can any Israeli FP'ers explain why this is allowed? It's dreadful but I want to know how they see it.[/QUOTE] What Lamar said, I think. Authorities can and do demolish buildings built without permit. This happens all over Israel, and is not specific to Israeli Arabs. However, Jerusalem and the surrounding area are in a unique situation where it's legally Israeli territory under Israeli law (as opposed to the occupied territories that are under military law), but has a large population of Arabs that consider themselves Palestinian. For the government, allowing Palestinians to build in Jerusalem strengthens their claim to the city, which is the opposite of what the government wants, hence they never get permits, hence the demolishing when they build anyway. How do we feel about it? Israel's crappy treatment of the Arabs of east Jerusalem is just one facet of our general awfulness towards the Palestinians. Some Israelis are okay with it all, because they keep trying to kill us and because that's the way it is and doesn't seem likely to get any better any time soon. A lot of us are not cool with that, and as surveys show so far there may be just enough of us that want things to change to get Netanyahu out of office in a the elections on March. I hope, anyway.
Israels are fucking arabs..
Honestly, the amount of people that are displaced sickens me, what sickens me even more is that the UN just ignores it, and the United States does nothing about it, most of the time anyway. I also have a question for Israeli FPers, do you think that [B]dividing the land for eachother[/B] is a plausible solution to this conflict?
[QUOTE=Crazy Ivan;47004916]The argument as I understand is essentially, "[B]No no, the land was ours all along. They were squatters.[/B] The problem is sticky because the land, under some understandings, IS Israeli. However it's also very clearly got people living on it, people who do not pay taxes to Israel and who have no reason to want to be part of Israel and so on and so forth. Israel then just says it's clearing land for residential growth, and evicting squatters. Totally legal, QED, habeus habeus and all that.[/QUOTE] I understood that the Gaza Strip and West Bank (and all of the land that makes up what is now Israel) was originally Palestinian land that was given for the creation of Israel by the League of Nations, and Israel has just expanded/taken whatever they want until the original inhabitants of all that land have been squeezed into the tiny bit of land that is Gaza Strip and the West Bank. I might be entirely wrong though. I imagine the reason there's no citizens' uproar about this inside Israel is because of what has happened in Israel/Iraq/every other place when the people have risen up - pretty violent Government led shootings
[QUOTE=Maloof?;47005968]I understood that the Gaza Strip and West Bank (and all of the land that makes up what is now Israel) was originally Palestinian land that was given for the creation of Israel by the League of Nations, and Israel has just expanded/taken whatever they want until the original inhabitants of all that land have been squeezed into the tiny bit of land that is Gaza Strip and the West Bank. I might be entirely wrong though.[/QUOTE] You're entirely wrong. They took that after the Arabs invaded several times. They originally abided by the UN borders, the Arabs are the ones who disagreed.
[QUOTE=ImperialGuard;47006007]You're entirely wrong. They took that after the Arabs invaded several times. They originally abided by the UN borders, the Arabs are the ones who disagreed.[/QUOTE]But now they are using shitty excuses to destroy everything that has something to do with Palestine
[QUOTE=Maloof?;47005968]I understood that the Gaza Strip and West Bank (and all of the land that makes up what is now Israel) was originally Palestinian land that was given for the creation of Israel by the League of Nations, and Israel has just expanded/taken whatever they want until the original inhabitants of all that land have been squeezed into the tiny bit of land that is Gaza Strip and the West Bank. I might be entirely wrong though. I imagine the reason there's no citizens' uproar about this inside Israel is because of what has happened in Israel/Iraq/every other place when the people have risen up - pretty violent Government led shootings[/QUOTE] The original partition of Palestine sanctioned by the UN when they recognized Israel in the late 1940s left the West Bank and Gaza Strip outside of Israel's recognized borders. The West Bank (including east Jerusalem) was part of Jordan, while Gaza at the time belonged to Egypt. At that point (1948) all Arab nations attacked Israel in an attempt to wipe it out, and when they failed a lot of Arabs fled Israel for fear of reprisals, while some were driven out. Those that remained became Israeli citizens (eventually), but all refugees were stopped at the borders by Israel's neighboring Arab nations and forced to remain in the West Bank and Gaza as eternal refugees, with the promise they can go home when Israel is finally wiped out. However, in the next few decades Israel survived a few more wars with its neighbors, and in the process ended up re-occupying the Palestinian refugees. Later, even though Israel made peace with both Egypt and Jordan it remained "stuck" with the occupied territories as by that time the Palestinians did no longer consider themselves part of the pan-Arab nation nor Egyptian, Jordanian or Israeli, but their own unique nationality and demanded their own nation. And also the right to return to Israel. And some still demand the destruction of Israel. And here we are today.
[QUOTE=Thomo_UK;47004812]Can any Israeli FP'ers explain why this is allowed? It's dreadful but I want to know how they see it.[/QUOTE] Most of us who are on FP and generally are smart enough to use the interwebz do not give a shit about it and just plan our way out of this shithole.
[QUOTE=archangel125;47004976]The razing of Palestinian homes is a terrorist act, but they pretend it's legitimate by claiming the Palestinian settlements are illegal.[/QUOTE] Well, they are illegal. Just the guys making the laws are also the terrorists.
israel must be stopped at all costs.
[QUOTE=barrab;47006130]israel must be stopped at all costs.[/QUOTE] A little bit over the top, eh? More like this war between the Jews and Arabs should be stopped, and hopefully peacefully. But seeing the description ScumBunny made, it's gonna be hella difficult.
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;47004637]Some of those kids will probably grow up to shoot Israelis. I can't blame them.[/QUOTE] I don't think anything justifies the murder of anyone. Btw Im not arguing that what the Israeli government is doing is OK, but I'm rather arguing that what the government has done gives noone permission to kill people not involved at all.
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