Ukrainian govt. orders full military mobilisation - Polidicks

[URL]http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26405635[/URL] [quote]Ukraine has ordered a full military mobilisation in response to Russia's build-up of its forces in Crimea. Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk said Ukraine was "on the brink of disaster". In Crimea, Ukrainian soldiers faced off with Russian soldiers surrounding their bases while the Russian army is said to be digging trenches on the border with mainland Ukraine. ... Ukrainian national security officials announced several other measures on Sunday: The armed forces would to be put on "full combat readiness" Reserves to be mobilised and trained Foreign minister to seek help from US and UK leaders in guaranteeing its security Emergency headquarters to be set up Security to be boosted at key sites, including nuclear plants Airspace to be closed to all non-civilian aircraft[/quote] I can't imagine they would give Russia much to worry about if this is the metric of their response times. Those unfortunate sods.

This is not getting better any time soon is it?

[QUOTE=FoneJack;44102012]This is not getting better any time soon is it?[/QUOTE] Nope. Not unless Russia really shows that it's not there to completely annex Ukraine....

Nobody's shooting yet...hopefully it stays that way.

[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;44101875][URL]http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26405635[/URL] I can't imagine they would give Russia much to worry about if this is the metric of their response times. Those unfortunate sods.[/QUOTE] Mobilization was announced this morning, it's BBC that's late

[QUOTE=Laserbeams;44102180]Mobilization was announced this morning, it's BBC that's late[/QUOTE] The BBC is never late, nor is it early, it arrives precisely when it means to.

The BBC is often "late" because unlike some less reputable news sites, it has to make sure what it puts out is correct.

[QUOTE=Laserbeams;44102180]Mobilization was announced this morning, it's BBC that's late[/QUOTE] It's obviously so the Beeb couldn't spoil the surprise party.

[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;44101875][URL]http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26405635[/URL] I can't imagine they would give Russia much to worry about if this is the metric of their response times. Those unfortunate sods.[/QUOTE] Even Georgia bloodied Russia's nose a bit

[QUOTE=TheTalon;44102462]Even Georgia bloodied Russia's nose a bit[/QUOTE] A [b]little[/b] bit.

Georgia's budget for their military is only a couple hundred million, though. Ukraine's is billions

[QUOTE=TheTalon;44102558]Georgia's budget for their military is only a couple hundred million, though. Ukraine's is billions[/QUOTE] But in Ukraine there is civil unrest, and also a big chunk of the Ukraine (Crimea) that supports the Russians, it will take the Ukraine down a bit.

The whole thing is a mess, but even if Russia could roll over Ukraine, the Ukraine has the capability to make them pay for the ground they take in blood

I looked on wikipedia and it said the Ukraine has a total of 0 active personnel lol Edit: Oh it's back now

So if Russia even did manage to conquer Ukraine, who's saying the local population wouldn't turn it into a guerrilla war?

Hahahahah The funniest part of this, is that this guy, Steven Pinker, made a 800 pages long book titled "The better angels of our nature" showcasing a very strong argument for lasting peace. Poor guy, just a couple of months after publishing his book and arguing that peace in Europe -No more interstate wars- was something to last....this happens. But really, the notion that ethnic Russians should belong to Russia or that they are somehow threatened by Ukrainians is just to go back 100 years in political thought. Because fuck the other 40ish percent that's not Russian. It matters if X>=50 percent of the population is "threatened" but if that percentage is lower than 50, it doesn't matter? Should we follow that line of thought, then we would have to keep re drawing maps. Quoting Vaclav Havel: [QUOTE]"The greatness of the idea of European integration on democratic foundations is its capacity to overcome the old Hederian idea of the nation state as the highest expression of national life"[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;44103145]Hahahahah The funniest part of this, is that this guy, Steven Pinker, made a 800 pages long book titled "The better angels of our nature" showcasing a very strong argument for lasting peace. Poor guy, just a couple of months after publishing his book and arguing that peace in Europe -No more interstate wars- was something to last....this happens.[/QUOTE] He was speaking more about a general trend, rather than outright saying war would stop completely. This is still the most peaceful period in European history, especially if you consider that in the 150 years before the European Steel and Coal community was founded, we had three major continental wars, dozens of smaller scale wars, and one of those countries had at least 4 full blown revolutions in the space of about 80 years.

[QUOTE=kaine123;44102935]So if Russia even did manage to conquer Ukraine, who's saying the local population wouldn't turn it into a guerrilla war?[/QUOTE] really? I mean we haven't seen similar situations both historically and currently in other places where armed gpinvasions have lead to insurgencies , Syria for one, Finland as another, Iraq and Afghanistan as more, just about everywhere Russia has ever invaded has armed opposition hitting them at all times

[QUOTE=Sableye;44103680]really? I mean we haven't seen similar situations both historically and currently in other places where armed gpinvasions have lead to insurgencies , Syria for one, Finland as another, Iraq and Afghanistan as more, just about everywhere Russia has ever invaded has armed opposition hitting them at all times[/QUOTE] Yeah but the difference here is that 70%ish percent of the population in Crimea speak Russian....50 to 55 percent (cant remember the numbers exactly, I saw them in Wikipedia) is ethnically Russian...so it would either start being a war agaisnt the other ethnic groups, as logic dictates that no Russian is going to attack Russian forces, only Ukr and Crimeans which would quickly derange into some 1942 germany shit

It's simple really, Putin heard the stories of the wish granter in the Chernobyl Sarcophagus and the Brain Scorcher in the old labs of X-19 near the Red Forest. It's quite obvious he want's to control both creating his own Monolith army to defend it and he'll get his funding with the artifacts scattered throughout the area, selling them to the highest bidder, mainly the military, which will then create a cordon around Chernobyl to keep people out. People will find a way in though, and able to sneak out some items. Pripyat will be infested with Putin's private Monolith and Military, making it the second highest priority of the land. The Power Plant will be the battle grounds of the elite soldiers, death could reach up into the thousands. If Putin is able to control the Brain Scorcher, he can control all Military and if he has the Wish Granter, he can control the entire world. Lake Yantar will be the main research grounds, the old Lab of X-16 will still have some documents and data that he can use. A Giant Brain project will take place here to destroy the minds of people who are not authorized to enter. Lab X-18 in the Dark Vally will be used to treat people that have suffered radiation poisoning. The power that Putin seeks is too strong for anyone to control. He started it by sabotaging the C.N.P.P. to make it look like an accident, then with his connections was able to keep the Government from acting for those three days and also to let the radiation spread to mutate the land and people. Then he took power and has waited for this moment to finish his plan of one world government and elite armies. He will have all the money he needs, and have the power no mortal should. This is truly the final step to global enslavement. I couldn't resist, I'm sorry.

[quote=Ria Novosti] [b]Turnout in the first day of mobilization in Ukraine is low, the source said[/b] In those areas where reports were received from, the turnout in the draft boards was ranging from 1% to 1.5% of all conscripts citizens. Mostly, it's the students, told RIA Novosti a senior source in the Ukrainian General Staff. [/quote] [url]http://ria.ru/world/20140302/997790546.html[/url] As expected. [QUOTE=kaine123;44102935]So if Russia even did manage to conquer Ukraine, who's saying the local population wouldn't turn it into a guerrilla war?[/QUOTE] Unless Russian forces will put in a curfew and other harsh measures to contain the population, there will not be a united effort to take them down, since pro-Russian population is quite big in numbers. Or, rather, the problems and insurgency would mostly take place in pro-european western part.

[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;44103949]Yeah but the difference here is that 70%ish percent of the population in Crimea speak Russian....50 to 55 percent (cant remember the numbers exactly, I saw them in Wikipedia) is ethnically Russian...so it would either start being a war agaisnt the other ethnic groups, as logic dictates that no Russian is going to attack Russian forces, only Ukr and Crimeans which would quickly derange into some 1942 germany shit[/QUOTE] Actually Ethnic Russians are only 15% to 18%, with the majority of those 8-ish million people piled up around Sevastopol and whatever lies East of Donetsk. So, no, if it would evolve in an ethnic/genocidal conflict, there would have to be intervention and mostly on the Russian side, as they'd be in a far bigger disposition.

[QUOTE=croguy;44104470]Actually Ethnic Russians are only 15% to 18%, with the majority of those 8-ish million people piled up around Sevastopol and whatever lies East of Donetsk. So, no, if it would evolve in an ethnic/genocidal conflict, there would have to be intervention and mostly on the Russian side, as they'd be in a far bigger disposition.[/QUOTE] Wait, REALLY? 15% to 18% [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimea#Ethnic_groups[/url] According to this [B][I][U](2001 though)[/U][/I][/B] they make up almost 60% of the population

[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;44104689]Wait, REALLY? 15% to 18% [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimea#Ethnic_groups[/url] According to this [B][I][U](2001 though)[/U][/I][/B] they make up almost 60% of the population[/QUOTE] He is talking about the entire Ukraine.

[QUOTE=The golden;44103031]I'm hoping we actually stick up for our new-found allies this time instead of leaving them out in the cold just after they ousted a dictator. I mean jesus christ the people of the Ukraine don't need this shit right now.[/QUOTE] The Ukraine is not our ally.

[QUOTE=lazyguy;44104843]The Ukraine is not our ally.[/QUOTE] [del]the[/del] Ukraine is supposed to be protected over the Budapest memorandum which you guys signed p.s ukraine doesnt have a "the" in front of it

[QUOTE=Turing;44105281][del]the[/del] Ukraine is supposed to be protected over the Budapest memorandum which you guys signed[/QUOTE] No it's not. The signatories of it promised that they wouldn't breach any of the assurances. That's it. There's no mention of upholding any of the assurances by the other signatories.

While the occupation certainly is not warranted, it is quite amazing how Russia has simply taken over the entirety of the Crimea without a single person KIA on either side.

I have a relative in Ukraine who is being mobilized, I hope nothing happens to him.

[QUOTE=laserguided;44105344]While the occupation certainly is not warranted, it is quite amazing how Russia has simply taken over the entirety of the Crimea without a single person KIA on either side.[/QUOTE] That's not even Russia's doing, they're fully prepared for war. Ukraine is the reason nobody was killed, Ukraine does not want war.