'California Will Launch Its Own Damn Satellites,' Governor Brown Tells Trump
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[QUOTE] [B]California Gov. Jerry Brown has launched a blistering attack on President-elect Donald Trump's stance on climate change,[/B] telling a gathering of scientists that he will do everything in his power to protect laboratories and advanced research.
In an address Wednesday to a conference of the American Geophysical Union in San Francisco, Brown abandoned all niceties in going after Trump, who has called climate change a hoax orchestrated by China.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]"If Trump turns off the satellites, California will launch its own damn satellites," he said.
But Brown also said Trump's campaign statements on climate change could serve as a shock to jump-start state and local efforts to push research forward with even more urgency.
[B]"Some people need a heart attack to stop smoking," he said. "Maybe we just got our heart attack."[/B]
And his state will be at the front of the charge, said Brown, who promised to protect California's elite university-based research labs, like Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory.
Noting that he's president of the University of California System's Board of Regents, Brown declared: [B]"Keep your hands off. That laboratory is going to pursue good science." [/B][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE] Brown briefly veered away from his main topic to skewer Trump's nominee for energy secretary, former Texas Gov. Rick Perry, a fierce opponent of action to reduce carbon emissions. The two governors clashed in 2013, when Texas launched a radio ad campaign to lure California businesses to move to Texas.
"Rick, I got some news for you: California is growing a hell of a lot faster than Texas. And we've got more sun than you have oil," he said. [/QUOTE]
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Its so infuriating that Trump's administration wants to go this far into destroying as much progress in researching climate change. Good for the governor.
An example of states rights?
And what money are you going to be using Mr. Brown?
I'm all for keeping climate satellites, but California isn't exactly in the best of places to be launching endeavors like this. Other things need to be given more eyes and hands, namely stuff like the Salton Sea. If the Salton dries up, saying California is in some dire straits would be an understatement. You are talking about widespread agricultural failure, respiratory issues all over California, and stuff like the widespread death of animals in the surrounding area causing the rise of diseases.
That's what I want to hear. Give 'im hell, Brown!
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;51540487]And what money are you going to be using Mr. Brown?[/QUOTE]
Isn't California like the fourth largest economy in the world on its own? Something like that?
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;51540487]And what money are you going to be using Mr. Brown?
I'm all for keeping climate satellites, but California isn't exactly in the best of places to be launching endeavors like this. Other things need to be given more eyes and hands, namely stuff like the Salton Sea. If the Salton dries up, saying California is in some dire straits would be an understatement. You are talking about widespread agricultural failure, respiratory issues all over California, and stuff like the widespread death of animals in the surrounding area causing the rise of diseases.[/QUOTE]
Simply put we can cut off giving money to the fed and use that.
[QUOTE=Popularvote;51540501]That's what I want to hear. Give 'im hell, Brown!
Isn't California like the fourth largest economy in the world on its own? Something like that?[/QUOTE]
And four hundred billion USD in debt.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;51540507]And four hundred billion USD in debt.[/QUOTE]
A lot easier to pay off than 14 trillion.
which would be the amount that the US would owe if california left the union
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;51540487]And what money are you going to be using Mr. Brown?
I'm all for keeping climate satellites, but California isn't exactly in the best of places to be launching endeavors like this. Other things need to be given more eyes and hands, namely stuff like the Salton Sea. If the Salton dries up, saying California is in some dire straits would be an understatement. You are talking about widespread agricultural failure, respiratory issues all over California, and stuff like the widespread death of animals in the surrounding area causing the rise of diseases.[/QUOTE]
As if we can only tackle one of these two largely unrelated things at a time. California is a massive economy, it can handle a budget deficit. Anyone concerned should be railing against Trump's idiotic threats to stifle research that needs to be done.
There's a hilarious amount of venture capital just floating around California, I really can't imagine that it'd be hard to find funding for climate research in the most liberal state in the US.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;51540507]And four hundred billion USD in debt.[/QUOTE]
California's GSP grew 4.1% in 2015. As a whole, the United States GDP grew by 2.6%.
California is $400 billion in debt out of $2.46 trillion overall GSP. The United States as a whole has roughly $19.8 trillion in public debt out of $17.914 trillion in overall 2015 GDP.
I think California's in a pretty good spot right now considering they're [I]growing faster than any other state in the entire country[/I] (tied with Oregon).
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;51540487]And what money are you going to be using Mr. Brown?
I'm all for keeping climate satellites, but California isn't exactly in the best of places to be launching endeavors like this. Other things need to be given more eyes and hands, namely stuff like the Salton Sea. If the Salton dries up, saying California is in some dire straits would be an understatement. You are talking about widespread agricultural failure, respiratory issues all over California, and stuff like the widespread death of animals in the surrounding area causing the rise of diseases.[/QUOTE]
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the Salton an industrially polluted waste lake fed by the New River sewage from Mexico? It's also in the asscrack of Imperial County, which is about as badlands as California gets. I'm not seeing the impact here in big picture terms, granted a large population will either leave or die from that section of Imperial, but it's hardly critical to the CA infrastructure, from what I've read.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;51540507]And four hundred billion USD in debt.[/QUOTE]
The US federal government is in far, far more debt and they still launch satellites, so what's your point?
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I'm ready for the California Aeronautics and Space Administration (CASA).
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;51540643]The US federal government is in far, far more debt and they still launch satellites, so what's your point?
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I'm ready for the California Aeronautics and Space Administration ([B]CASA[/B]).[/QUOTE]
Yes, a spanish name will be an even bigger slap in the face
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;51540643]The US federal government is in far, far more debt and they still launch satellites, so what's your point?
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I'm ready for the California Aeronautics and Space Administration (CASA).[/QUOTE]
SpaceX is in HQ'd in California, I have a feeling that was his backup plan.
That said, that might put an interesting strain on Musk and Trump's relationship :v:
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;51540507]And four hundred billion USD in debt.[/QUOTE]
Lol, compared to their GDP, they're doing the best in the nation by far. California is invaluable to the US, far above all other states individually.
Also, every nation on Earth has debt. And a lot of it, especially after the 2008 crisis.
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California also has the most population out of all the states by far. Honestly, how the rest of the US fucks California is absolutely absurd. They should throw their weight around more.
When did California turn into this paradise? Have any of you guys actually been there?
Northern cali is alright though, that part doesn't suck.
[QUOTE=TheDestroyerOfall;51540517]A lot easier to pay off than 14 trillion.
which would be the amount that the US would owe if california left the union[/QUOTE]
What would California "leaving the union" mean? What is "the union" that they would be leaving? Surely they can't leave the United States can they?
[QUOTE=Neguido;51540866]What would California "leaving the union" mean? What is "the union" that they would be leaving? Surely they can't leave the United States can they?[/QUOTE]
They can, and they would be violently re-unionized a la the Civil War.
[QUOTE=Sonador;51540872]They can, and they would be violently re-unionized a la the Civil War.[/QUOTE]
They can't and they won't.
Anything less than that is an incredible fantasy.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;51540996]They can't and they won't.
Anything less than that is an incredible fantasy.[/QUOTE]
I mean, get as angry as you want about it, if they vote to fuck off, they vote to fuck off, and there's nothing you can do about it. I hold no illusions of the US Armed Forces ripping the state's butthole asunder, but yes, they have every ability to secede if they like.
You know, like the lower portion of the country did a couple hundred years ago.
No State in the United States as the legal power to secede. It'd be completely illegal.
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51541082]It actually isnt illegal. There just isnt a legal way.[/QUOTE]
I'm fairly sure there being no legal way to do it makes it illegal.
I don't think a Californian secession would be good for anyone, unless there were a significant number of states that also went with it. But that'd leave the United States in chaos, which would have dark implications for us all.
EDIT: you're right that they could make a law that'd allow States to secede, but that'd go against everything the United States thought it was.
it being illegal will mean nothing if they actually secede
but at that point posse commitatus won't matter anymore and it can be retaken
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this is why an agreement would have to occur to guarantee sovereignty
why americans thinks all other nationhood aspiring people on the planet should have a right to self-determination, but Californians doesn't?
it's not a matter of national law, it's basic international law.
that doesn't mean the country will get recognized by the US or any country that are allied to it.
that doesn't mean the US won't try to reannex it by force.
you just can't restrict those kinds of rights by writing up a law.
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-determination[/URL]
I never thought I would see a day when a nation actually threatens the entire existence of a planet.
At the very least, it's about time the majority of people understand politicians for what they really are.
:sick:
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51541133]What it thought it was isnt relevant to what it is today. USA exists outside of Founding FAthers' heads.
They gave women the right to vote, they banned alcohol, added God to the pledge. USA isnt the USA of the 50s anymore, like USA of the 50s wasnt the USA of the 20s. etc.
If Trump is succesful in his visions, there might be some states who find no place for themselves in the Union afterwards. Extremely unlikely, but give it a decade or two. A decade changes everything in the modern era.[/QUOTE]
I myself hate appealing to tradition, but with how the States is set up, if even one of the bigger states left there would be chaos and suffering for the other smaller parts. I also think leaving would cause a huge surge of bitterness.
[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51541145]I myself hate appealing to tradition, but with how the States is set up, if even one of the bigger states left there would be chaos and suffering for the other smaller parts. I also think leaving would cause a huge surge of bitterness.[/QUOTE]
it almost always cause a surge of biterness, the US is not an exceptional case.
look at ex-Yugoslavia, look a vietnam, korea, look at 18th century USA.
when a nation decides it wants to go on their own way, the rest of country is never happy.
I'm a Californian living in Silicon Valley and I think California leaving the union is a bad idea. California should instead try to lead by example to show the rest of the country why our way of doing things works(even though traffic is ass, the homeless plague our major cities, bad neighborhoods aren't fixed, they just move to a different city, and it's expensive as fuck to live here) and it can work for them too if they follow our lead.
[QUOTE=Mechanical43;51541168]it almost always cause a surge of biterness, the US is not an exceptional case.
look at ex-Yugoslavia, look a vietnam, korea, look at 18th century USA.
when a nation decides it wants to go on their own way, the rest of country is never happy.[/QUOTE]
I know that, but I must admit, a Californian secession would be extremely different. They aren't a different ethnic group, they don't have super different political beliefs to the other parts of the country (no matter how it appears), there's no real reason for a physical confrontation. It doesn't make sense to me.
Like, I'm not against the idea of Californians wanting to secede (I can't be - I think almost every Irish person believes in self-determination, because of what it means to us). I just think it'd be a terrible idea for them to do so. It'd have too many consequences.
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