Windows 10 will Ban Bloatware to reduce Recovery Image Sizes - Polidicks

[url]http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2015/03/windows-10-will-ban-bloatware-to-reduce-recovery-image-sizes/[/url] [quote]Few things are more annoying than a Windows system loaded with unwanted “utilities” by the hardware manufacturer. A change in approach for Windows 10 means you’re likely to see less of that unwanted rubbish. A recent post on the official Windows blog explains that one of the aims for Windows 10 is to make the recovery image — used to rebuild a system if Windows goes heavily off the rails — as small as possible. That’s particularly important on tablets and phones, which only have limited storage to begin with.[/quote] [quote=The Windows Team]We are also redesigning Windows’ Refresh and Reset functionalities to no longer use a separate recovery image (often preinstalled by manufacturers today) in order to bring Windows devices back to a pristine state. This reduces Windows’ storage footprint further as the recovery image on typical devices can range in size from 4GB to 12GB, depending on the make and model.[/quote] [URL="http://blogs.windows.com/bloggingwindows/2015/03/16/how-windows-10-achieves-its-compact-footprint/"]Post on the Windows Blog[/URL] Finally, I have like 10 Dell disks lying around here, and since DigitalRiver died for W7, I've had nothing to use

Finally. This has been a long time coming, I'm glad Microsoft is finally growing some sort of spine. One of the best things about Apple computers is that you don't have to spend three hours clearing bloatware on a new installation. Good to see Microsoft's finally come around.

I smell antitrust lawsuit coming. Manufacturers will fight hard against it like they have done before in the past.

[QUOTE=Sini;47381756]I smell antitrust lawsuit coming. Manufacturers will fight hard against it like they have done before in the past.[/QUOTE] They wouldn't have any precedent. Microsoft's been locking down their platforms from manufacturer interference lately, and it's actually gone really smoothly. Windows Phone bans any manufacturer bloatware, and nobody really fought back against that. If they tried to raise a stink now, Microsoft could come back with any number of examples as to why it's not anti-competitive behavior.

If you look past the clickbait headline, this is just saying that the recovery partitions are going bye-bye, which people have already known for around a week. There's nothing new in this article outside of what Microsoft themselves said a week ago. Just Gawker and co. trying to earn clicks.

I think Microsoft could do a lot to encourage people to reimage their computers from the manufacturer. Maybe make something the user could easily pop on a USB stick which the OS would then detect and then prompt (Asking for a password if necessary, we don't want someone going about wiping PCs for a "joke") for a total reset then do so based on the stock files on that stick removing all the crap that has been added to it.

[QUOTE=wickedplayer494;47381787]If you look past the clickbait headline, this is just saying that the recovery partitions are going bye-bye, which people have already known for around a week. There's nothing new in this article outside of what Microsoft themselves said a week ago. Just Gawker and co. trying to earn clicks.[/QUOTE] [url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1457049[/url]

As someone who has to deal with WDS (Windows Deployment Services) this is a freeking god send! Now the deployment server wont have to linger about as much data :)

It sounds like the recovery image might be downloaded directly from the web everytime. This would prevent it from being tampered with.

[QUOTE=wickedplayer494;47381787]If you look past the clickbait headline, this is just saying that the recovery partitions are going bye-bye, which people have already known for around a week. There's nothing new in this article outside of what Microsoft themselves said a week ago. Just Gawker and co. trying to earn clicks.[/QUOTE] [quote=engadget] "we are also redesigning Windows' refresh and reset functionalities to no longer use a separate recovery image (often preinstalled by manufacturers today) in order to [b]bring Windows devices back to a pristine state[/b]." [B]By "pristine state" Microsoft [I][U]might mean [/U][/I]"bloatware-free" [/B]-- in other words, users can quickly "refresh and reset" unwanted apps out of a new machine as soon as they buy it. [/quote] A much better way of explaining it in my opinion. i.e. intepreting "often preinstalled by manufacturers today" as bloatware(?) and "back to a pristine state", to mean Windows will seize the option to pre-install that, I guess.

This is great as a user, but shit as a retailer. Resetting a computer back to factory settings (which is required by the manufacturer for selling) after getting a return is going to be fucking awful. Windows 8 made it so easy with the built-in partition.

Windows 10 is looking better by the day. No more bloatware makes my job as tech support even easier

[QUOTE=Cock Boner;47382117]This is great as a user, but shit as a retailer. Resetting a computer back to factory settings (which is required by the manufacturer for selling) after getting a return is going to be fucking awful. Windows 8 made it so easy with the built-in partition.[/QUOTE] It'll still be there just like 8, but this time it won't have the Superfish/Norton Trial shit the OEM gets paid to preinstall. Hell, I've even seen ORIGIN preinstalled on Toshiba laptops.

[QUOTE=woolio1;47381749]Finally. This has been a long time coming, I'm glad Microsoft is finally growing some sort of spine. One of the best things about Apple computers is that you don't have to spend three hours clearing bloatware on a new installation. Good to see Microsoft's finally come around.[/QUOTE] It takes you 3 hours to format and install windows?

[QUOTE=Banshee FrieNd;47382342]It takes you 3 hours to format and install windows?[/QUOTE] He's addressing OEM recovery images, they're usually stuffed full of fucking popcap games and trials for software that's closer to malware than useful. That can take a while to remove, especially through Programs and Features. Not sure about other countries, but in Australia most manufacturers won't touch a laptop under warranty if you've overwritten the factory partitions with your own OS.

[QUOTE=redBadger;47381943][url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1457049[/url][/QUOTE] I don't understand how this is related.

[QUOTE=chipsnapper2;47382336]It'll still be there just like 8, but this time it won't have the Superfish/Norton Trial shit the OEM gets paid to preinstall. Hell, I've even seen ORIGIN preinstalled on Toshiba laptops.[/QUOTE] That's the problem. Manufacturers require that to be there upon selling. It's a contractual agreement between the software developers, the manufacturer, and the retailer.

That crap is bad enough on my phone, which comes with NFL mobile, which occasionally runs in the back ground even though I've [I]NEVER FUCKING RUN IT[/I] in the first place

[QUOTE=Superwafflez;47382403]He's addressing OEM recovery images, they're usually stuffed full of fucking popcap games and trials for software that's closer to malware than useful. That can take a while to remove, especially through Programs and Features. Not sure about other countries, but in Australia most manufacturers won't touch a laptop under warranty if you've overwritten the factory partitions with your own OS.[/QUOTE] took me 4 hours to get rid of everything acer preinstalled on it, after that it ran much faster

[QUOTE=Sini;47381756]I smell antitrust lawsuit coming. Manufacturers will fight hard against it like they have done before in the past.[/QUOTE] All manufactures have to do is add another software partition and attach a script to run unattended installation of the bloatware to the "recovered" Windows 10 install.

It makes a lot of sense for the closed-source systems, just like the forced locked secureboot, but for desktops I don't see this being used much. OEMs will fight tooth and nail for keeping their bloatware in those machines, since it lets 'em sell them cheaper, and anyone who knows enough about computers to be bothered by it can easily wipe them anyways.

[QUOTE=latin_geek;47385883]It makes a lot of sense for the closed-source systems, just like the forced locked secureboot, but for desktops I don't see this being used much. OEMs will fight tooth and nail for keeping their bloatware in those machines, since it lets 'em sell them cheaper, and anyone who knows enough about computers to be bothered by it can easily wipe them anyways.[/QUOTE] Doesn't matter how easy it is to remove, it's an added nuisance. Shit like that made me learn how to build my own pc, never looked back.

they should allow bloatware but prevent it from being reinstalled on reset like mentioned in the article

Or there should be an option when you install the is for the first time like "would you like the additional programs provided by the manufacturer" with a foot note that says they most certainly will slow down overall speed

Now if only they would ban software makers from hiding additional software no one wants behind a checkbox during installation.

[QUOTE=Th3applek1d;47386304]Now if only they would ban software makers from hiding additional software no one wants behind a checkbox during installation.[/QUOTE] Fucking this. Once I had an installer that also hid options in the "are you sure you want to close this?" box. It was 3 fucking toolbars.

[QUOTE=Cronos Dage;47386154]they should allow bloatware but prevent it from being reinstalled on reset like mentioned in the article[/QUOTE] They should allow bloatware on a disk like how hardware ships drivers, and google chrome is on every one I have

Man, the more I hear about Windows 10, the more impatient I grow for Summer to arrive so I can upgrade to it already. Assuming they don't keep the keylogger from the preview version, that is.

[QUOTE=Banshee FrieNd;47382342]It takes you 3 hours to format and install windows?[/QUOTE] Longer than that. I formatted and installed 8, which didn't take too long, but the endless mountain of fucking updates took forever.

Hell friggin' yes. This should make OEM machines much less of a pain in the ass for lay-consumers.