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The apocalypse has not arrived yet. [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36956418[/url]
[QUOTE=karlosfandango;50900521]The apocalypse has not arrived yet.[/QUOTE] Article 50 hasn't been invoked either
[QUOTE=gokiyono;50900601]Article 50 hasn't been invoked either[/QUOTE] This changing of the goalposts is getting ridiculous I didn't support Brexit - but we were promised catastrophe IMMEDIATELY not after Article 50 (which will only be done when it is all sorted most likely). [editline]17th August 2016[/editline] That said, wait for growth figures before making a judgement.
[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;50900610]This changing of the goalposts is getting ridiculous I didn't support Brexit - but we were promised catastrophe IMMEDIATELY not after Article 50 (which will only be done when it is all sorted most likely). [editline]17th August 2016[/editline] That said, wait for growth figures before making a judgement.[/QUOTE] bear in mind that we were also promised article 50 IMMEDIATELY after the referendum if it was voted for so it's not moving the goalposts when the entire pitch moved
Meanwhile the GBP is still falling.
[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;50900610]This changing of the goalposts is getting ridiculous I didn't support Brexit - but we were promised catastrophe IMMEDIATELY not after Article 50 (which will only be done when it is all sorted most likely). [editline]17th August 2016[/editline] That said, wait for growth figures before making a judgement.[/QUOTE] Did you not see what happened to the GBP? Businesses are still pussyfooting around, since Article 50 hasn't been invoked, which means it's possible to still change the government's mind. The voting wasn't binding, the government can do as it pleases. Not saying that's a good thing, but those are the facts.
Remain voter here but Brexit was never going to destroy the country we were just going to be slightly worse off. I don't think we would of ever dropped out of the top 10 largest GDP's just because of the result from the referendum. Still going to be in a better situation than 95% of countries in the world.
[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;50900610]This changing of the goalposts is getting ridiculous I didn't support Brexit - but we were promised catastrophe IMMEDIATELY not after Article 50 (which will only be done when it is all sorted most likely).[/QUOTE] What are you talking about moving goalposts for? The catastrophe couldn't have happened after the vote as Britain haven't left the EU. And even then, the pound fell pretty hard without article 50.
[QUOTE]Elsewhere, the Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS) has said that keeping Britain's membership of the EU single market could boost the country's economy by an extra 4%.[/QUOTE] If your people weren't so gullible none of this would be happening. You reap what you sow.
[QUOTE=Daniel Smith;50900737]If your people weren't so gullible none of this would be happening. You reap what you sow.[/QUOTE] Huh, because it wasn't any of the lying, scummy politicians that deceived time and time again to further their own gains? Also, just under half of the population voted to stay, myself included. I'm sure Canada has its fair share of gullible fuckwits that are incapable of voting logically instead of emotionally, just as much as any other country.
I think the situation will get worse once Article 50 is invoked and Scotland makes its move to leave. The situation will become WORSE if there's no deal to allow free travel between Northern Ireland the Republic of Ireland. It would be absolutely devastating to both parts of the island and could lead to a significant weakening of the Peace Process. It MUST be a term... otherwise I think there will be a huge push for a United Ireland. Good luck to the Brits - you have a tough few years ahead of you.
[QUOTE=gokiyono;50900722]What are you talking about moving goalposts for? The catastrophe couldn't have happened after the vote as Britain haven't left the EU. And even then, the pound fell pretty hard without article 50.[/QUOTE] That's the point, a lot of this is a result of the uncertainty in the market by the Goverments wishy washy "We're-getting-out-of-the-EU-haha-kidding-yes-no-maybe-possibly-jk-but-not-really" handling of this rather than actually staying or leaving. Market uncertainty is very bad, it makes the financial markets very unstable scares much needed current and potentional investors away. An immediate decision on leaving would have hit UK markets hard but would have helped stabalize the markets and lead to an eventual (though slow) recovery.
[QUOTE=nikomo;50900668]Did you not see what happened to the GBP? Businesses are still pussyfooting around, since Article 50 hasn't been invoked, which means it's possible to still change the government's mind. The voting wasn't binding, the government can do as it pleases. Not saying that's a good thing, but those are the facts.[/QUOTE] Yes of course the vote isn't legally binding but the government will never go against it. That would be electorate suicide.
[QUOTE=Ta16;50900818]That's the point, a lot of this is a result of the uncertainty in the market by the Goverments wishy washy "We're-getting-out-of-the-EU-haha-kidding-yes-no-maybe-possibly-jk-but-not-really" handling of this rather than actually staying or leaving. Market uncertainty is very bad, it makes the financial markets very unstable scares much needed current and potentional investors away. An immediate decision on leaving would have hit UK markets hard but would have helped stabalize the markets and lead to an eventual (though slow) recovery.[/QUOTE] I think you might be getting your information from the remoaners who still think we will be going back on the referendum result. We are leaving the EU but we will invoke article 50 when we are ready, probably early 2017. [QUOTE] stabalize the markets and lead to an eventual (though slow) recovery [/QUOTE] Good point.
[QUOTE=ElectronicG19;50900843]Yes of course the vote isn't legally binding but the government will never go against it. That would be electorate suicide.[/QUOTE]Maybe they won't but they damn well should.
[QUOTE=red man295;50900801]Huh, because it wasn't any of the lying, scummy politicians that deceived time and time again to further their own gains? Also, just under half of the population voted to stay, myself included. I'm sure Canada has its fair share of gullible fuckwits that are incapable of voting logically instead of emotionally, just as much as any other country.[/QUOTE] I mean gullible as in they believed in everything those politicians said and never did any research, in the day of internet.
[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;50900816]I think the situation will get worse once Article 50 is invoked and Scotland makes its move to leave. The situation will become WORSE if there's no deal to allow free travel between Northern Ireland the Republic of Ireland. It would be absolutely devastating to both parts of the island and could lead to a significant weakening of the Peace Process. It MUST be a term... otherwise I think there will be a huge push for a United Ireland. Good luck to the Brits - you have a tough few years ahead of you.[/QUOTE] N.Ireland and Ireland have had free moment way before the EU was involved.
[QUOTE=Vasili;50900998]N.Ireland and Ireland have had free moment way before the EU was involved.[/QUOTE] I certainly know that but being part of the EU has certainly hurt things. I've heard conflicting reports of exactly what will happen when the UK leaves the EU on whether or not that agreement will still stand. So many laws and agreements will have to change that things are very much up in the air. If Northern Ireland and the Republic do keep free travel, there's still the question of free travel between the Republic and the rest of the UK. You have to admit things are just so bloody confusing and all over the shop. EDIT: you've also forgotten there used to be border checkpoints before the EU was formally established and free travel was guaranteed. We can't go back to that.
[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;50900912]Maybe they won't but they damn well should.[/QUOTE] well yeah i'd love for the tories to be fucked until the end of memory but it wont happen, May is smarter than that
[QUOTE=ElectronicG19;50901009]well yeah i'd love for the tories to be fucked until the end of memory but it wont happen, May is smarter than that[/QUOTE] She could just keep delaying it too. No need to say they will just drop it completely.
[QUOTE=GrizzlyBear;50901311]She could just keep delaying it too. No need to say they will just drop it completely.[/QUOTE] Prolonged uncertainty though
The BBC are desperate for Brexit to look like a terrible, terrible idea. Nobody knows yet whether we will even leave the EU. We're only the little people - we don't usually [i]actually[/i] have a say in those kinds of matters. After all, the banks own the UK. They will do what they please.
[QUOTE=ph:lxyz;50908449]The BBC are desperate for Brexit to look like a terrible, terrible idea. Nobody knows yet whether we will even leave the EU. We're only the little people - we don't usually [i]actually[/i] have a say in those kinds of matters. After all, the banks own the UK. They will do what they please.[/QUOTE] Yeah because the government deciding not to leave the EU totes won't cause massive political upheaval. Have you ever considered that if the banks really ran the UK that they would have prevented the vote in the first place? Or that the government would have immediately ignored it? That Cameron wouldn't have stepped down immediately and you wouldn't have a new Prime Minister that, from some of the statements I've heard, actually wants to roll back on some of the ridiculousness in the banking sector? 'course not. Does not fit the narrative.
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