Source: [url]http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/25/world/asia/japan-archaeology-shipwreck/index.html?hpt=hp_bn4[/url]
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In Japanese legend they are known as The Kamikaze -- the divine winds -- a reference to two mighty typhoons placed providentially seven years apart which, in the 13th century, destroyed two separate Mongol invasion fleets so large they were not eclipsed until the D-Day landings of World War II.
Marine archaeologists now say they have uncovered the remains of a ship from the second fleet in 1281 -- believed to have comprised 4,400 vessels -- a meter below the seabed, in 25 meters of water off the coast of Nagasaki, Japan.
Scientists are hoping they will be able to recreate the complete Yuan Dynasty vessel from Kublai Khan's lost fleet using a 12-meter-long section of keel. The Mongols ruled China from 1271 to 1368.
According to Yoshifumi Ikeda, a professor of archaeology at Okinawa's University of the Ryukyus, and head of the research team, the section could go a long way to helping researchers identify all the characteristics of the 20-meter warship.
"This discovery was of major importance for our research," Ikeda told a news conference. "We are planning to expand search efforts and find further information that can help us restore the whole ship."
Discovered using ultrasound equipment, the research team says it is the first wreck from the period to have an intact hull, the planks of which are still attached to the keel with nails.
Scientists say its good state of preservation -- they were even able to establish that the planks were originally painted a whitish-gray -- is due to the fact it has been covered by sand.
"I believe we will be able to understand more about shipbuilding skills at the time as well as the actual situation of exchanges in East Asia," Ikeda told reporters in Nagasaki.
How to survive a shipwreck
More than 4,000 artifacts, including ceramic shards, bricks used for ballast, cannonballs and stone anchors have been found in the vicinity of the wreck, linking it to the Yuan Dynasty invasion fleet.
Ikeda said there were no immediate plans to salvage the hull and the first step was to conserve the find by covering the sites with nets.
The Kamikaze -- perhaps better known as the nickname given to the Japanese suicide pilots of the Pacific War -- were a nation-defining event for Japan and set the limits of Mongol expansion in the east.
Historians say the first Chinese attempt to invade Japan in 1274 ended in disaster.
Having initially engaged a numerically superior Japanese samurai force at the Battle of Bun'ei in First Battle of Hakata Bay, the Chinese retreated to their fleet of 300 ships and some 500 smaller craft after just one day of battle on land. A typhoon destroyed a third of the fleet that night and the remnants limped back to port in Korea which was then a vassal state of China.
Seven years later, Kublai Khan amassed an impressive armada of 4,400 ships carrying 40,000 Korean, Mongol and Chinese troops in a bid to finally subjugate Japan. The Japanese, convinced of a second invasion, had spent the intervening years building strategic seawalls which made it difficult for the Chinese to land.
Unable to gain a beachhead after initially taking the island of Iki and Tsushima, the fleet was decimated by a two-day typhoon that hit the Tsushima Straits.
It is believed about 80% of the fleet was destroyed and the Khan's troops either drowned at sea or slaughtered on the beaches by samurai.
According to a contemporary account cited in the book "Khubilai Khan's lost fleet: In Search of a Legendary Armada," by maritime archaeologist James P. Delgado, the losses were so great that "a person could walk across from one point of land to another on a mass of wreckage".[/quote]
Really cool piece of history.
I was mentioned in the ticker
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[QUOTE=Kaze;32991925]I was mentioned in the ticker
I feel so loved[/QUOTE]What?
UNCHARTED 4
[QUOTE=faze;32991949]What?[/QUOTE]
[quote]Kami[b]kaze[/b][/quote]
When someone says your name, it shows up in the ticker.
[quote]a reference to two mighty typhoons placed providentially seven years apart which, in the 13th century,
destroyed two separate Mongol invasion fleets [B]so large they were not eclipsed until the D-Day landings of World War II.[/B][/quote]
Holy shit
This is fucking awesome!
[editline]27th October 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE]a meter below the seabed, in 25 meters of water off the coast of Nagasaki, Japan.[/QUOTE]
Kind of surprised nothing washed up before, being so close to the surface.
Unless the waters there are usually calm majority of the time.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;32993227]This is fucking awesome!
[editline]27th October 2011[/editline]
Kind of surprised nothing washed up before, being so close to the surface.
Unless the waters there are usually calm majority of the time.[/QUOTE]
Actually I think the waters in the area are pretty strong mostly, since I know you can't go to a few islands most of the year.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;32992142]UNCHARTED 4[/QUOTE]
Open thread
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Shit
woah this is just off of the coast of nagasaki
i dunno why but thats pretty cool
I love how the Japanese managed to take out the first wave by building a wall that was just too high for the Mongols to get across, then would go out at night and burn the ships before rowing back.
[IMG]http://www1.american.edu/ted/ice/images4/Mooko-HakataWall.jpg[/IMG]
[I]"Hey bro, I heard you fought pretty well on flat plains, so we built a wall along the bay so you can get raped in your sleep while you get raped waiting for reinforcements."[/I]
[IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2a/Takezaki_suenaga_ekotoba3.jpg/800px-Takezaki_suenaga_ekotoba3.jpg[/IMG]
Pretty cool find, though. You almost never find stuff like this.
[QUOTE=itak365;32993519]I love how the Japanese managed to take out the first wave by building a wall that was just too high for the Mongols to get across, then would go out at night and burn the ships before rowing back.
[IMG]http://www1.american.edu/ted/ice/images4/Mooko-HakataWall.jpg[/IMG]
[I]"Hey bro, I heard you fought pretty well on flat plains, so we built a wall along the bay so you can get raped in your sleep while you get raped waiting for reinforcements."[/I]
[IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2a/Takezaki_suenaga_ekotoba3.jpg/800px-Takezaki_suenaga_ekotoba3.jpg[/IMG]
Pretty cool find, though. You almost never find stuff like this.[/QUOTE]
I don't care what people say about Japan.
When they're thinking straight, they can REALLY ruin your day.
I'm a descendant of Genghis Khan.
Bow before your leader.
[QUOTE=smeismastger;32992509]Holy shit[/QUOTE]
not sure what that means, could someone enlighten me (referring to the "eclipsed" part
[QUOTE=Aerkhan;32993914]I'm a descendant of Genghis Khan.
Bow before your leader.[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry all he left you was a bunch of soggy boats at the bottom of the ocean, you must not have had a good relationship.
[QUOTE=xxncxx;32993964]not sure what that means, could someone enlighten me (referring to the "eclipsed" part[/QUOTE]
Overshadowed
Reminds me of "Black Wind" by Clive Cussler. Good book. [url]http://cusslermen.com/BlackWind.htm[/url]
[QUOTE=Aerkhan;32993914]I'm a descendant of Genghis Khan.
Bow before your leader.[/QUOTE]
Isn't there a tremendous sized population in Mongolia and the surrounding area that has some kind of relation to him? I know there's some Asian historical figure like that, I could be wrong.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;32994024]Isn't there a tremendous sized population in Mongolia and the surrounding area that has some kind of relation to him? I know there's some Asian historical figure like that, I could be wrong.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/08/1-in-200-men-direct-descendants-of-genghis-khan/[/url]
1 in 200 men are direct descendants.
brb finding Shambhala
No one's going to do it? Fine, guess I'll have to....
[b]KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN![/b]
[QUOTE=Aerkhan;32993914]I'm a descendant of Genghis Khan.
Bow before your leader.[/QUOTE]
He had like 1000 children, not a surprise really.
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