Apple ordered to reveal iPhone 4S source code to Samsung in Australia - Polidicks

[url]http://www.theverge.com/2011/11/11/2555493/samsung-wins-some-and-loses-some-in-australia-infringement-case[/url] [QUOTE]Samsung's lawyers are spending the weekend curled up with the iPhone's source code — an Australian judge recently ordered Apple to turn it over as part of the ongoing patent lawsuit in that country. The move isn't unexpected: we assumed it would happen after [URL="http://www.theverge.com/2011/11/2/2532244/samsungs-request-for-iphone-4s-details-in-australia-isnt-so-crazy"]Samsung asked for the code[/URL] in Australia last week. And while we don't have all the details on what transpired in the courtroom, we've been able to piece together a pretty good idea of what happened. It makes sense that Samsung's source code request was granted — it's how you evaluate patent infringement claims when you're dealing with this type of technology. Apple apparently began handing over the iPhone 4S source code yesterday, and while disputes over whether Apple's code production is adequate will surely be raised by Samsung in the future, it seems that this particular discovery argument has been resolved in Samsung's favor without too much fanfare. As we expected, though, the more controversial issue was over whether Samsung was entitled to the agreements between Apple and the regional telcos. Apple argued these documents were highly confidential and irrelevant to Samsung's infringement allegations. On this issue, the judge acted swiftly but cautiously, ordering Apple to hand over certain terms of the contracts to Samsung. The court then determined that based on Apple's representations of what was contained in the documents, Samsung's allegations that Apple demanded preferential treatment from the telcos didn't have any legs. With that, the judge called the issue tangential and set it aside for now. Neither of these rulings are too surprising — the hearing on Samsung's motion to block sales of the iPhone 4S in Australia is scheduled to start November 15, and the court is keeping everyone focused on the merits of the actual patent infringement case. We'll let you know what happens next week. [/QUOTE]

See source codes, copy some things from it, MORE LAWSUITS, LOADSAMONEY.

[QUOTE=JinkoMK;33244499]See source codes, copy some things from it, MORE LAWSUITS, LOADSAMONEY.[/QUOTE] Nah, this is why the lawyers are looking at it and not Samsung employees. Anybody who looked at the code would be pretty much unemployable as a programmer to Samsung as Apple would claim that they stole parts of it.

How the fuck is a lawyer supposed to understand the programming behind the damn thing?

[QUOTE=Fatal-Error;33244605]How the fuck is a lawyer supposed to understand the programming behind the damn thing?[/QUOTE] I'd imagine they'd get an Apple employee to explain it.

[QUOTE=Chickens!;33244642]I'd imagine they'd get an Apple employee to explain it.[/QUOTE] I wonder how many times that employee can fit the phrases "Magical" "Revolutionary!" and "Incredible" into his explination.

[QUOTE=Fatal-Error;33244672]I wonder how many times that employee can fit the phrases "Magical" "Revolutionary!" and "Incredible" into his explination.[/QUOTE] Lawyer: It's not working... Apple: You're just holding it wrong.

Poor Australia. At this rate, they won't have phones.

[QUOTE=Chickens!;33244642]I'd imagine they'd get an Apple employee to explain it.[/QUOTE] Apple - "This here is a variable. Samsung's codes also have variables." Lawyers - "Ah, they must have copied it from Apple!"

Ah! I see what they did here! They both used the variable i for a for-loop. More lawsuits!

I would imagine that these would be lawyers with programming backgrounds.

[QUOTE=StickyNade;33248279]I would imagine that these would be lawyers with programming backgrounds.[/QUOTE] They are obviously brilliant programmers if they never took up the profession.

[QUOTE=StickyNade;33248279]I would imagine that these would be lawyers with programming backgrounds.[/QUOTE] Seeing as lawyers for hospitals etc usually have some form of education when it comes to medicine I'm sure that the lawyers of a tech company needs to have some education about the technology they represent.

[QUOTE=Fear_Fox;33248856]Seeing as lawyers for hospitals etc usually have some form of education when it comes to medicine I'm sure that the lawyers of a tech company needs to have some education about the technology they represent.[/QUOTE] Yeah, it's the same how you'll get people on the track to law school learning engineering or medicine, so they can have higher relevance to those sorts of cases.

[QUOTE=Fear_Fox;33248856]Seeing as lawyers for hospitals etc usually have some form of education when it comes to medicine I'm sure that the lawyers of a tech company needs to have some education about the technology they represent.[/QUOTE] It's much more likely that Samsung's legal team is going to hire programmers to go over it for them

And here I am with a nokia :v:

[QUOTE=Zeke129;33250801]It's much more likely that Samsung's legal team is going to hire programmers to go over it for them[/QUOTE] They probably have quite a few (relatively) low programmers who are trained what to look for and managed by someone with a legal and computer science background and experience, who liaises with the legal team. So a mix of both really. [editline]13th November 2011[/editline] And if there is one thing lawyers are good at, it's digesting absurdly large amounts of information.

[QUOTE=AaRoNg11;33244511]Nah, this is why the lawyers are looking at it and not Samsung employees. Anybody who looked at the code would be pretty much unemployable as a programmer to Samsung as Apple would claim that they stole parts of it.[/QUOTE]But lawyers know jack shit in code or programming, so what can they tell?

[QUOTE=dass;33250920]And here I am with a nokia :v:[/QUOTE] Nokias, cheap, tough and do the job no matter what I kind of wish I still had mine

[QUOTE=dass;33250920]And here I am with a nokia :v:[/QUOTE] Hi fellow Nokia bro.

I hope they can get a fair programmer and not some douche bag who is gonna side with Apple no matter what.

[QUOTE=dass;33250920]And here I am with a nokia :v:[/QUOTE] Glorious Nokia Masterrace represent

[QUOTE=FlashFireSix;33258551]Nokias, cheap, tough and do the job no matter what I kind of wish I still had mine[/QUOTE] My old Nokia still refuses to break, keeping me from getting an upgrade >.> Doesn't look like it'll be giving up anytime soon either. Screw touchscreen... keypad masterrace!

All of my phones (read: 2) have been Nokias. You Finns know how to make good phones.

[QUOTE=Upgrade123;33265997]All of my phones (read: 2) have been Nokias. You Finns know how to make good phones.[/QUOTE] My 3rd phone was a Nokia, right after my Motorola L7. Both of them were bomb proof.

[QUOTE=Upgrade123;33265997]All of my phones (read: 2) have been Nokias. You Finns know how to make good phones.[/QUOTE] Too bad soon nothing but the headquarters and design are finnish anymore. I'm sure they'll shut down the factory in finland soon.