Norway set to ban semi-automatic guns from 2021 - Polidicks

[url]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/feb/27/norway-guns-ban-semi-automatic-law[/url] [quote]Norway plans to ban semi-automatic firearms as of 2021, a decade after rightwing extremist Anders Breivik’s mass shooting that left 69 people dead, a Norwegian lawmaker said on Tuesday. The minority rightwing government had presented a proposal on the ban last year. “Today, it has become clear that there is a parliamentary majority in favour of the government’s proposal. Semi-automatic weapons will therefore be banned in Norway,” Peter Frolich, a Conservative member of parliament’s standing committee on judicial affairs, told AFP.[/quote] [quote]In a 2012 report, a commission tasked with drawing conclusions from the attacks had called for a ban on semi-automatic weapons, one of its 31 recommendations. “This decision is a very good thing, even if it comes belatedly,” the head of a victims’ support group, Lisbeth Kristine Royneland, said. The bill allows for several exemptions, in particular for shooting sports.[/quote]

[quote]The bill allows for several exemptions, in particular for shooting sports.[/quote] That's pretty nice. I doubt any such exceptions would ever be considered in the US, unfortunately. Though I am wholly ignorant of Norway's gun culture, or even if it has one.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;53164362]That's pretty nice. I doubt any such exceptions would ever be considered in the US, unfortunately. Though I am wholly ignorant of Norway's gun culture, or even if it has one.[/QUOTE] Guns for civilians only used for shooting sports and hunting, with an exception of a few gun collectors. Most of our population dont own guns, nor do we need it.

I didn't know Norway even had those.

I was under the impression that in most of the EU countries - guns are generally illegal unless you obtain license for sports/hunting? and even then there are many regulations such as - Gun safe at home which is fixed to wall or floor and shit like that.

Only a few people can own handguns for example, and they have to prove they are in a shooting/hunting club and frequent it. Our gun culture is mostly around hunting and sports. My grandpa has a few hunting rifles passed down the generations and such, but if i am to inherit them i have to prove that i've taken a hunting exam, hunt occasionally and be at gun practices. I dont mind this tough. The police will do a background check and you need their written approval for each individual weapon; the receiver and ammunition must be stored in a approved gun locker.

[QUOTE=arleitiss;53164661]I was under the impression that in most of the EU countries - guns are generally illegal unless you obtain license for sports/hunting? and even then there are many regulations such as - Gun safe at home which is fixed to wall or floor and shit like that.[/QUOTE] In Denmark, to own a handgun (and I believe some others) you need to have been an active member of a gun club for more than 2 years and apply for a permit. If you need to own hunting weapons you need to have a hunting license. There's also a collectors permit and one for knives sharp shit It's difficult only if you aren't interested in weapons

[QUOTE=Sprelle;53164732]Only a few people can own handguns for example, and they have to prove they are in a shooting/hunting club and frequent it. Our gun culture is mostly around hunting and sports. My grandpa has a few hunting rifles passed down the generations and such, but if i am to inherit them i have to prove that i've taken a hunting exam, hunt occasionally and be at gun practices. I dont mind this tough. The police will do a background check and you need their written approval for each individual weapon; the receiver and ammunition must be stored in a approved gun locker.[/QUOTE] I wish America were like this

[QUOTE=arleitiss;53164661]I was under the impression that in most of the EU countries - guns are generally illegal unless you obtain license for sports/hunting? and even then there are many regulations such as - Gun safe at home which is fixed to wall or floor and shit like that.[/QUOTE] isn't norway not in the EU?

[QUOTE=arleitiss;53164661]I was under the impression that in most of the EU countries - guns are generally illegal unless you obtain license for sports/hunting? and even then there are many regulations such as - Gun safe at home which is fixed to wall or floor and shit like that.[/QUOTE] Norway does have a gun culture, but it's not nearly as pronounced or politicized as in the US (obviously). Mostly, it's hunting, sports, or clubs. Used to be a tradition at Christmas to fire a round over the barn to keep bad juju away. And the fall hunting season is well known, and quite popular. Almost 1 in 10 have a hunting licence, and there's about the same percentage of guns per capita as Sweden and France. Guns are not illegal, they're just used in moderation. For example, my drivers instructor own a rifle, a shotgun and a handgun, but he does need to keep them in a gun-cabinet, which does have standards, such as being immovable (by realistic means). I was able to visit a gun club at 14/15, and after a basic tutorial and safety course, was pointed at the range, supervised, the same day. You need a safety course in order to get a licence, but it's 30 hours and an exam at most (for the hunting licence, the most "difficult"). It's not that hard to get a licence if you're a functioning human being, and the regulations (in Norway at least) are more than manageable, unless you're unbearably lazy. It's just that you have to have a need for the gun (hunting, sport, club, collector, etc). You don't really need a gun for anything else as it is. [QUOTE=TheDestroyerOfall;53164805]isn't norway not in the EU?[/QUOTE] EEA country. Some EU regulations apply, not sure if gun laws are included in that, but I doubt it.

I have to say I'm sort of unsure how you can own a semi-automatic gun here without being in a gun club (i.e. sporting) or you're doing hunting. Who does this affect?

[QUOTE=arleitiss;53164661]I was under the impression that in most of the EU countries - guns are generally illegal unless you obtain license for sports/hunting? and even then there are many regulations such as - Gun safe at home which is fixed to wall or floor and shit like that.[/QUOTE] In Germany, you can own everything an American can but you have to apply for a licence for each gun. The slingshot guy actually goes into detail.

Surprised to see this kind of feel-good legislation from our neighbor. Hopefully this never happens in Finland. It won't do anything against crime, and would just hurt the hunting community and gun hobbyists. I don't own a gun myself, but I have several friends and relatives that own semi-auto guns (mainly shotguns and rifles) for hunting reasons, one has a glock as well. Good luck getting their guns without them going "missing" in case such a law appears.

[QUOTE=SunsetTable;53164836]In Germany, you can own everything an American can but you have to apply for a licence for each gun. The slingshot guy actually goes into detail.[/QUOTE] I thought 3 gun competitions were impossible there because you couldn't own different types of firearms simultaneously? Or at least what I'm lead to believe is you can own multiple guns of a certain type, but you can't have 3 different types of firearms like shotguns, rifles, and pistols all together. Also thought machine guns were completely illegal as well in Germany?

Thought it was bad news, but I'm not entirely sure. It seems to not hit the sport community, but the article says it's not clear how hunters will be affected. I'm not against regulating it, but semi automatic weapons do have some practical uses, so I would hope they're not going away entirely. I do wonder if the changes are actually functional in some way, would they have prevented Utøya, were they law back then?

[QUOTE=Orkel;53164853]Surprised to see this kind of feel-good legislation from our neighbor. Hopefully this never happens in Finland. It won't do anything against crime, and would just hurt the hunting community and gun hobbyists. I don't own a gun myself, but I have several friends and relatives that own semi-auto guns (mainly shotguns and rifles) for hunting reasons, one has a glock as well. Good luck getting their guns without them going "missing" in case such a law appears.[/QUOTE] To be fair it seems like there is an exemption made in the law for the majority of gun owners there. (hunting and recreation). Of course this is Norway we're talking about too so I'd expect their implementation of the law to be fair and not nearly politicized as it would here in the USA. If anything like that were proposed here it would undoubtedly be abused or have ulterior motives behind it.

[QUOTE=Tinter;53164883]Thought it was bad news, but I'm not entirely sure. It seems to not hit the sport community, but the article says it's not clear how hunters will be affected. I'm not against regulating it, but semi automatic weapons do have some practical uses, so I would hope they're not going away entirely. I do wonder if the changes are actually functional in some way, would they have prevented Utøya, were they law back then?[/QUOTE] Maybe not prevented it, he might have found a way to shoot up Utøya without semi's. But it sure made it easier for him to put more bullets down range considered the Mini 14's semi-automatic nature and it's ability to load 30 round magazines.

I'm not really sure what the point of this is, considering bolt action kills all the same just at a slower rate.

[QUOTE=Cor Angars;53165043]I'm not really sure what the point of this is, considering bolt action kills all the same just at a slower rate.[/QUOTE] You just said it, a slower rate In a hypothetical mass shooting scenario, a shooter with a manually operated gun will be able to kill less people than one with a semi-auto in the same timeframe

[QUOTE=Orkel;53164853]Surprised to see this kind of feel-good legislation from our neighbor. Hopefully this never happens in Finland. It won't do anything against crime, and would just hurt the hunting community and gun hobbyists. I don't own a gun myself, but I have several friends and relatives that own semi-auto guns (mainly shotguns and rifles) for hunting reasons, one has a glock as well. Good luck getting their guns without them going "missing" in case such a law appears.[/QUOTE] Not so "feel good" when these legislators, the country, and their philosophies have led to a much better country than America. [editline]27th February 2018[/editline] [QUOTE=Cor Angars;53165043]I'm not really sure what the point of this is, considering bolt action kills all the same just at a slower rate.[/QUOTE] Just like how muskets kill all the same, just at a slower rate.

[QUOTE=Orkel;53164853]Good luck getting their guns without them going "missing" in case such a law appears.[/QUOTE] That'll only make things worse for themselves.

[QUOTE=Orkel;53164853]Surprised to see this kind of feel-good legislation from our neighbor. Hopefully this never happens in Finland. It won't do anything against crime, and would just hurt the hunting community and gun hobbyists. I don't own a gun myself, but I have several friends and relatives that own semi-auto guns (mainly shotguns and rifles) for hunting reasons, one has a glock as well. Good luck getting their guns without them going "missing" in case such a law appears.[/QUOTE] it's a bit tangential, but I'm reminded of an old /k/ post about how invading Finland is logistically impossible because every Finnish person is a hermetic forest goblin with a shed full of stockpiled leftover ordinance from the Winter War, just waiting for a reason to fight the Russians again.

[QUOTE=EskillV2;53164488]Guns for civilians only used for shooting sports and hunting, with an exception of a few gun collectors. Most of our population dont own guns, nor do we need it.[/QUOTE] Norway is one of the countries with the highest numbers of guns per capita in the world ranking in at number eight worldwide, number two in Europe and number one in the Nordic region. While you don't nearly have as much guns per capita as the US you still rank incredibly high in comparison to the rest of the world.

[QUOTE=Amakir;53165162]Norway is one of the countries with the highest numbers of guns per capita in the world ranking in at number eight worldwide, number two in Europe and number one in the Nordic region. While you don't nearly have as much guns per capita as the US you still rank incredibly high in comparison to the rest of the world.[/QUOTE] Well i stand corrected. But outside of sporting and hunting and collecting, i don't see the need for owning a gun.

What the fuck are they talking about? This is some feel-good bullshit that doesn't mention what the laws are at the moment. [I]Semiautomatic rifles are already banned by law. [/I] There's only a excemption list for practical shooting and hunting, and you have to be a pistol shooter for 2 years with your own pistol which already requires 6 months of activity plus an approval from the club. This is the approved list of "scary" guns. [QUOTE]1. Colt AR-15 H-bar/post 1986, , <-AR clone 2. SIG SG 550 SP, 3. Steyr AUG civilian, 4. Valmet M76/78A2, <-AK clone 5. Galil AR, 6. HK-94, 7. Bushmaster mod. XM15, <-AR clone 8. Olympic Arms AR-15 H-bar, <-AR clone 9. Heckler & Koch modell SL 8, 10. DPMS Panther Bull 24/DPMS Panther Bull 24 Spesial (inkl. «Southpaw» mod), 11. Oberland Arms (OA) 15, <-AR clone 12. Izhmash Saiga sport 520, <-AK clone 13. Izhmash Saiga sport 555, <-AK clone 14. Tiger mod 03, <-AK clone 15. DPMS Panther mod LR-308 (inkl «Southpaw» mod), <-AR clone 16. Armalite AR 10, <-AR clone 17. Armalite AR 10T, <-AR clone 18. Arsenal SAR-M1, 19. Heckler & Koch MR 223, <-AR clone 20. Heckler & Koch MR 308, <-AR clone 21. JP Enterprise CTR-02, <-AR clone 22. Armalite M 15, <-AR clone 23. STAG 15, <-AR clone 24. Smith & Wesson M&P-15, <-AR clone 25. Benelli MR 1, 26. JP Enterprises LRP-07. <-AR clone 27. Johnson mod 1941, 28. Ljungman mod AG 42, 29. Tokarev mod SVT 38, 30. Gewehr G-43/K43.[/QUOTE] There's also a list of approved hunting rifles, which is basically five variations of five different guns, plus the mini 14 breivik used. [editline]28th February 2018[/editline] The groups that can use ARs are also really selective and worried about new shooters. If you take a several thousand kr safety course, you will magically fail the written test and be blacklisted if you're not LEA/army and rub someone the wrong way. I've taken part in dismissing about 5 different people for different reasons, like somehow hawing a CC holster, raving too much about guns, being a bad cultural fit and always being hyped up on redbull.

[QUOTE=EskillV2;53165165]Well i stand corrected. But outside of sporting and hunting and collecting, i don't see the need for owning a gun.[/QUOTE] That's true of an enormous amount of things though and arguably a lot of unnecessary things you can buy could make you more of a danger to people around you. While I'd say that guns are pretty near the top of the list of things that you should make sure people are responsible enough to own, there's a complete lack in correlation between gun ownership per capita and firearm homicides per capita. Norway probably has the lowest ratio in the world (0.1 firearm homicides per 100k vs 31.3 guns owned per 100), making the ban particularly odd. I generally support common sense gun laws being a Canadian gun owner, but an entire ban on semi-automatics might be a bit excessive

[QUOTE=Petrussen;53165014]Maybe not prevented it, he might have found a way to shoot up Utøya without semi's. But it sure made it easier for him to put more bullets down range considered the Mini 14's semi-automatic nature and it's ability to load 30 round magazines.[/QUOTE] I can see the idea, but I don't really understand the mechanisms, considering this law seems very vague at the moment.

[QUOTE=Tinter;53165370]I can see the idea, but I don't really understand the mechanisms, considering this law seems very vague at the moment.[/QUOTE] The law is ridiculously specific at the moment. A certain group of people after a certain activity period, can own a certain type of guns at a certain minimum length, with restrictions of guns with a common caliber, only one per competition, after applying and arguing the need for each gun and in the end proving they have a gun safe that can fit every gun. We are even tracking every sale of ammo... [editline]28th February 2018[/editline] Uhhh. Directly from the proposition: [QUOTE]The ministry proposes to introduce a ban on semi-automatic rifles which are originally designed with a fully automatic function, or for military or police, with separate emergency rules for nearer specific athletes and weapon collectors.[/QUOTE] Directly from current law: [QUOTE]It is forbidden to acquire, own or hold (a) firearms commonly used as weapons of war; (b) fully automatic firearms, or c) firearms camouflage as another item. Weapon types designed for purely military or police purposes fall under the first paragraph, letter a. However, this does not apply to weapons types that are equivalent, developed for general civilian use.[/QUOTE] I read the rest of the proposition. It's not really suggesting any changes. :v: Fucking go ahead.

[QUOTE=Oscar Lima Echo;53165391]The law is ridiculously specific at the moment. [/QUOTE] I guess that's my fault, but the rest seems to be what I thought. That this isn't a change from the status quo. Seems like an odd situation.

[QUOTE=PrusseLusken;53165530]This is misinformation. Semi automatic rifles are already banned. A handful of exemptions are made, a couple of these at most will be recalled. The article in question is terribly misinformative. [editline]28th February 2018[/editline] what this will change however is that police now can do a house search under the impression they "check your gun storage". before this would have to be informed of 48h in advance. they can now do it as they please, just pop in in uniforms at your door and check. it's bizarre and not legal judging by our constitution. [editline]28th February 2018[/editline] and "semi automatic guns"? we can still buy pistols and semi auto shotguns out the wazoo if we please..[/QUOTE] That sounds like police and state overeach if the police would actually be able to search your house whenever they want without notification.