Shots fired at Michael Brown's 1 year death anniversary in Ferguson, MO.
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[quote]St. Louis County Police say an officer who came under heavy gunfire returned shots amid a protest in Ferguson.[/quote]
[quote]The police department tweeted that at least two unmarked cars were hit by gunfire.[/quote]
[quote]It wasn't immediately clear whether any one was injured in the shooting, but minutes after the shots were heard, an Associated Press photographer saw a man lying face down, covered in blood, behind a boarded-up restaurant. It wasn't immediately clear how badly the man was injured.[/quote]
Gunfire heard in background of interview with Police Chief: [url]https://vid.me/kZJH[/url]
[url]http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2015/08/09/us/ap-us-ferguson-the-latest.html[/url]
More sources:
[quote]According to the state police scanner, "FERGUSON RIOTS - MULTIPLE OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTINGS - looting, weapon flourishing, multiple burglary reports, and rocks/bottles thrown at Troopers/Officers. (15 minutes ago)".[/quote]
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[quote][url]http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/local/ferguson/2015/08/11/ferguson-officer-involved-shooting-video-released/31488297/[/url]
UPDATE: One shooter, Tyrone Harris, has been identified and arrested.
[url]http://fox2now.com/2015/08/10/tyrone-harris-jr-showed-off-guns-on-facebook-was-out-on-bond-for-other-felony-charges/[/url]
He was out on bond for other felony charges and the gun he fired with was stolen.[/quote]
to the surprise of literally no-one
Sounds like someone trying to stir shit. I don't care if they are black, white, yellow, or red, whoever the fuck is doing it needs to be dealt with and preferably in the most swiftest manner.
Shooting into crowds because a few cops are nearby or because you don't agree with the views of the crowd is utterly despicable. I don't care what magical mushroom reason the bastard(s?) could have, but attacking innocent people is disgusting.
I love how the chief just kind of stands there looking around like "wut"
I imagine his thoughts were probably something along the lines of "Well, that just happened. See the shit we have to deal with?"
[QUOTE=FinalHunter;48421593]So strange to me how these one man incidents rock the nation. The whole Zimmerman fiasco years back, this, whatever was going on with the guy who snapped his neck in a police car that I never kept up with.
Mass shootings I can understand but I just don't understand how stuff like this dominates the media like it does.[/QUOTE]
Easier when you only have to remember two names. The attacker, and the victim.
No one ever remembers all the names of the victims of a massacre.
It's already been a year?
Man, time flies almost scarily fast.
One would think the BLM movement would realize that having an actual criminal who was killed in self defense as their figurehead looks really, really bad. That doesn't mean that the entire movement is illegitimate, but using Michael Brown as a prime example of police brutality makes them look fucking stupid. Another big problem is the constant use of bogus/misleading statistics (acting as if every death by police is brutality) as well as conspiracy theories (Sandra Bland), neither of which are helping their cause.
While there are no doubting the serious issues with police in the US, a large part of it is due to corruption as opposed to simply racism. There are also serious issues with the black community (lack of interest in education, lack of jobs, violence) that need to be solved before we start seeing any major progress. As it is, black Americans commit the majority of homicides and interracial violent crime, and police are going to continue to arrest/kill them if necessary as long as the violence continues. Telling cops to be less racist isn't going to magically change that.
[QUOTE=Snapster;48422040][media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Xe8swJVGVE[/media][/QUOTE]
Where did the first shots come from? Off screen? Why are the guys by the white pickup shooting back? Or did they coordinate an attack with the people off screen initiating it?
[QUOTE=man with hat;48422072]Where did the first shots come from? Off screen? Why are the guys by the white pickup shooting back? Or did they coordinate an attack with the people off screen initiating it?[/QUOTE]
The article says it was an attack on law enforcement, read the OP.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;48422282]The article says it was an attack on law enforcement, read the OP.[/QUOTE]
I have, but it looks like the first shots came from off screen, which doesn't make sense if all of the people accused of being the assailants are included in this video. That would have to mean the police shot first, which is why I'm confused, because I don't think that's the case.
[QUOTE=FinalHunter;48421593]So strange to me how these one man incidents rock the nation. The whole Zimmerman fiasco years back, this, whatever was going on with the guy who snapped his neck in a police car that I never kept up with.
Mass shootings I can understand but I just don't understand how stuff like this dominates the media like it does.[/QUOTE]
9 times out of 10 it's the delivery that sparks the outrage, not the message.
The black lives movement is racist, putting their own race above all others.
[QUOTE=elfbarf;48422022]One would think the BLM movement would realize that having an actual criminal who was killed in self defense as their figurehead looks really, really bad. That doesn't mean that the entire movement is illegitimate, but using Michael Brown as a prime example of police brutality makes them look fucking stupid. Another big problem is the constant use of bogus/misleading statistics (acting as if every death by police is brutality) as well as [B]conspiracy theories (Sandra Bland)[/B], neither of which are helping their cause.[/QUOTE]
Seems kind of weird to call that one a conspiracy theory. It's like, blatantly obvious that they lied about a whole bunch of details. The footage they released of the incident had obvious cuts in it (cars disappearing in the middle of the street and then reappearing,) she appeared to be lying on the floor in her mugshot (which makes it seem like they took a photo of her dead body, creepy) and she was wearing an orange jumpsuit even though your mugshot is supposed to be taken while you're still in the clothes you were in when you were arrested, they claim she hung herself with a plastic bag from a 5ft high fixture even though she was 6ft tall, and when they took a photo to demonstrate where she got the plastic bag from, there was still a bag in the bin even though they claimed that the scene hadn't been tampered with, not to mention that it clearly wasn't nailed down even though it's common practise to nail that kind of thing down to make sure no one uses it as a weapon.
[QUOTE=Flyingman356;48422463]Seems kind of weird to call that one a conspiracy theory. It's like, blatantly obvious that they lied about a whole bunch of details. The footage they released of the incident had obvious cuts in it (cars disappearing in the middle of the street and then reappearing,) she appeared to be lying on the floor in her mugshot (which makes it seem like they took a photo of her dead body, creepy) and she was wearing an orange jumpsuit even though your mugshot is supposed to be taken while you're still in the clothes you were in when you were arrested, they claim she hung herself with a plastic bag from a 5ft high fixture even though she was 6ft tall, and when they took a photo to demonstrate where she got the plastic bag from, there was still a bag in the bin even though they claimed that the scene hadn't been tampered with, not to mention that it clearly wasn't nailed down even though it's common practise to nail that kind of thing down to make sure no one uses it as a weapon.[/QUOTE]
They released the full unedited dashcam video and they also released the intake surveillance footage showing her getting her mugshot. They also released the hallway surveillance footage, no one went near her cell until after she was dead. She also had a history of harming herself. Take your fuckin tinfoil hat off.
[QUOTE=-nesto-;48422544]They released the full unedited dashcam video and they also released the intake surveillance footage showing her getting her mugshot. They also released the hallway surveillance footage, no one went near her cell until after she was dead. She also had a history of harming herself. Take your fuckin tinfoil hat off.[/QUOTE]
Jesus christ, no need to get crazy. I didn't know those things. Thanks for informing me.
[QUOTE=FinalHunter;48421593]but I just don't understand how stuff like this dominates the media like it does.[/QUOTE]
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News networks need those to operate. Best way to get those? Advertisers. What do the people supplying those annoying commercials and paying you for the privelege of having them aired want in return? Viewers. What's the best way to get those? [i]Stir shit up as much as possible.[/i]
News networks bear more in common with forum trolls than they do with journalists these days. Their job isn't to report on goings on, their job is to get as many people agitated as possible so those people tune in, watch their program, and by extension watch the ads that they're getting paid a pretty penny to air. TV Newsrooms are literally places where professional trolls make loads of money to be as controversial as possible.
Some guy who runs a nonprofit let a few people run into his place to seek shelter from the gunfire, they ended up stealing laptops and ipads from him.
[url]https://twitter.com/AntonioFrench/status/630655432110014464[/url]
I remember a few years ago when my state was never on the news besides the odd politician or idiot in St. Louis doing something. Now it seems we've went from a state no one bothered with to the "racist state." Its pretty heartbreaking, especially with the news and even people here citing "prior racial tension" and "injustices" that I had never seen or heard of previously.
I'm about 11.5 mi away from Ferguson rn. Shit.
[QUOTE=IM BATMAN;48423344]I remember a few years ago when my state was never on the news besides the odd politician or idiot in St. Louis doing something. Now it seems we've went from a state no one bothered with to the "racist state." Its pretty heartbreaking, especially with the news and even people here citing "prior racial tension" and "injustices" that I had never seen or heard of previously.[/QUOTE]
How could you live in this city and still be a stranger to the racial tensions that have plagued us for the past 30-40 years? Have you never been to East Saint Louis? Jennings? Ferguson? A block off the main Delmar loop? Basically anything East of Maryland Heights? There are hard lines where neighborhoods turn from majority white to majority black, where economically successful areas turn into povertous ghettos. These areas are the primary sources of racial tensions here.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;48423819]How could you live in this city and still be a stranger to the racial tensions that have plagued us for the past 30-40 years? Have you never been to East Saint Louis? Jennings? Ferguson? A block off the main Delmar loop? Basically anything East of Maryland Heights? There are hard lines where neighborhoods turn from majority white to majority black, where economically successful areas turn into povertous ghettos. These areas are the primary sources of racial tensions here.[/QUOTE]
Absolute ignorance of local happenings and local politics and an awareness of nothing but the internet.
More common than you'd think. If people would step outside the door and engage with people they normally wouldn't, and make some friends from groups of people they'd usually avoid, they'd see how blatant it is. And you'll start to wonder what caused you to want to avoid those people in the first place.
Ferguson and St. Louis in general are fifty times worse than my town, but I've still personally witnessed racial profiling and other blatant police biases in my hometown on several occasions. It's not some isolated issue like the internet likes to claim - it's very common.
I'm surprised that so many people on twitter think this violence is justifiable.
[QUOTE=IM BATMAN;48423344] Its pretty heartbreaking, especially with the news and even people here citing "prior racial tension" and "injustices" that I had never seen or heard of previously.[/QUOTE]
At least these issues are getting attention. Shame people aren't choosing the worst tragedies and occasionally siding against the police when their actions were justified just because of the colors involved.
[QUOTE=Handsome Matt;48422566]I wonder how they feel about black cops. #BlackLivesMatter #CopsLivesDontMatter they'd be so conflicted with their illogical reasonings[/QUOTE]
They're harassing Bernie Sanders for being a privileged white male despite the fact that he marched with MLK in the civil rights movement and the fact that he is the candidate any sane person would vote for if their primary issue is the racial problems in America.
The movement isn't reasonable. Its just blind hatred against authority and white people that gets in the way of real reform in the justice system.
[QUOTE=IM BATMAN;48423344]I remember a few years ago when my state was never on the news besides the odd politician or idiot in St. Louis doing something. Now it seems we've went from a state no one bothered with to the "racist state." Its pretty heartbreaking, especially with the news and even people here citing "prior racial tension" and "injustices" that I had never seen or heard of previously.[/QUOTE]
lol bro are you serious just b/c we were never in the media essentially is all you're saying - that doesn't mean jack shit wasn't happening before.
Damn, already a year?
[QUOTE=Handsome Matt;48422566]I wonder how they feel about black cops. #BlackLivesMatter #CopsLivesDontMatter they'd be so conflicted with their illogical reasonings[/QUOTE]
I've seen a couple tweets / blog posts that consider black cops to be race traitors and just as bad as white cops. If that's any indication, the cop haters especially hate black cops.
[QUOTE=Flyingman356;48422696]Jesus christ, no need to get crazy. I didn't know those things. Thanks for informing me.[/QUOTE]
No offense, but this right here is the problem. No one looks past the first media report for the truth. They see [i]"Michael Brown exicuted by cop while surrendering"[/i] and don't bother to check up on the investigation later which corroborates the officers report, or that a large number of the eye witness testimony was made up or false, and that even the hand-gesture of the whole movement (hands up, don't shoot) [i]never happened[/i]. They see [i]"cops murder Sandra Bland"[/i], then retweet all the armchair justice attorneys that say it must've happened this way and the racist police just wanted to kill another black person, then ignore the hours of video that show Sandra alive and well in jail.
We're the generation of manufactured outrage because everyone wants to feel like they had a part in some historical civil rights movement but they ignore the facts and jump to conclusion before the real story comes out. They shout #JusticeForBrown but ignore the facts when the real justice is served. And the media eats it up and amplifies it and makes it fester because the longer they can perpetuate the manufactured outrage, the more ratings they'll get.
Everyone needs to calm the fuck down and let civilized society work it's processes. Rioting, especially in this case, is destructive to real progress.
[QUOTE=OvB;48425507]No offense, but this right here is the problem. No one looks past the first media report for the truth. They see [i]"Michael Brown exicuted by cop while surrendering"[/i] and don't bother to check up on the investigation later which corroborates the officers report, or that a large number of the eye witness testimony was made up or false, and that even the hand-gesture of the whole movement (hands up, don't shoot) [i]never happened[/i]. They see [i]"cops murder Sandra Bland"[/i], then retweet all the armchair justice attorneys that say it must've happened this way and the racist police just wanted to kill another black person, then ignore the hours of video that show Sandra alive and well in jail.
We're the generation of manufactured outrage because everyone wants to feel like they had a part in some historical civil rights movement but they ignore the facts and jump to conclusion before the real story comes out. They shout #JusticeForBrown but ignore the facts when the real justice is served. And the media eats it up and amplifies it and makes it fester because the longer they can perpetuate the manufactured outrage, the more ratings they'll get.
Everyone needs to calm the fuck down and let civilized society work it's processes. Rioting, especially in this case, is destructive to real progress.[/QUOTE]
I agree, but it's critically important not to dismiss the wider complaints of racial subjugation based on specific instances of misinformation and confusion, like the Michael Brown case. While the Brown shooting may have ultimately been proven to be justifiable, the Department of Justice's investigation into the police department that this incident and the ensuing protests provoked revealed that the wider complaints held true: the Ferguson police department and court systems (and arguably many other metro area departments) [I]were[/I] routinely and systematically oppressing minorities. Keep in mind, this conclusion was from the DOJ itself, not just speculation from media-frenzy.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;48425670]I agree, but it's critically important not to dismiss the wider complaints of racial subjugation based on specific instances of misinformation and confusion, like the Michael Brown case. While the Brown shooting may have ultimately been proven to be justifiable, the Department of Justice's investigation into the police department that this incident and the ensuing protests provoked revealed that the wider complaints held true: the Ferguson police department and court systems (and arguably many other metro area departments) [I]were[/I] routinely and systematically oppressing minorities. Keep in mind, this conclusion was from the DOJ itself, not just speculation from media-frenzy.[/QUOTE]
Exactly, I agree. We should be focusing our energy, anger, and media attention on that instead. When a thing like this happens, a good number of people focus their anger at propagating the misinformation rather than spreading the meticulously researched and investigated information on the real problems.
I'm not sure if I'm being clear, I just think we as a society need to focus more on the meticulous and methodical investigations into crime, police violence, poverty, etc, rather than reactionary violence and hatred toward police. It's definitely a real issue that shouldn't be ignored, but we're going about it wrongly.
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