• Egyptian government widens definition of 'Islamist', pursues crackdown
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[QUOTE]Having crushed the Muslim Brotherhood, the Egyptian authorities have begun cracking down on other dissenters, sometimes labeling even liberal activists or labor organizers as dangerous Islamists. Ten days ago, [URL="http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/08/18/two-canadians-reportedly-arrested-in-cairo-egyptian-police-raid-muslim-brotherhood-homes/"]the police arrested[/URL] two left-leaning Canadians — one of them a filmmaker specializing in highly un-Islamic movies about sexual politics — and implausibly announced that they were members of the Brotherhood, the conservative Islamist group backing the deposed president, Mohamed Morsi. When a journalist with a state newspaper spoke publicly about watching a colleague’s wrongful killing by a soldier, prosecutors appeared to fabricate a crime to punish the journalist. And the police arrested five employees of the religious Web site Islam Today for the crime of describing the military takeover as a coup, security officials said. The government installed by Gen. Abdul-Fattah el-Sisi has renewed the Mubarak-era state of emergency removing all rights to due process or protections against police abuse. And police officials have pronounced themselves “vindicated.” They say the new government’s claim that it is battling Islamist violence corroborates what they have been saying all along: that it was Islamists, not the police, who killed protesters before Mr. Mubarak’s ouster. In the more than seven weeks since [URL="http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/04/world/middleeast/egypt.html"]Mr. Morsi’s ouster[/URL], security forces have carried out at least three mass shootings at pro-Morsi street protests, killed more than a thousand Morsi supporters and arrested at least as many, actions Ms. Morayef characterized as “massive police abuse on an unprecedented scale.” But even beyond the Islamists, she said, “anyone who questions the police right now is a traitor, and that is a protection that they did not have even in 2010,” when public criticism was tolerated and at least a few complaints were investigated. Prosecutors had already begun investigating Mohamed ElBaradei, the liberal former United Nations diplomat, for “betraying the public trust.” President Obama has said the new government is on a “[URL="http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/16/world/middleeast/obamas-remarks-on-violence-in-egypt.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0"]dangerous path[/URL]” marked by “arbitrary arrests, a broad crackdown on Mr. Morsi’s associations and supporters” and “violence that’s taken the lives of hundreds of people and wounded thousands more.” Among some supporters of the new government, “Islamist” has become a popular indictment. After Mr. Obama criticized Egypt’s crackdown on the Islamists, Tahani el-Gebali, a former judge close to the military, publicly accused him of having ties to the Brotherhood, claiming his Kenyan half brother directed investments for the group.[/QUOTE] To highlight the journalist killing in particular. [QUOTE]The journalist who spoke out about his colleague’s killing had been driving with the colleague, Tamer Abdel Raouf, the head of the local office of the official newspaper, Al Ahram, in the delta province of Beheira. When their car was at a checkpoint, soldiers enforcing the 7 p.m. curfew shot and killed Mr. Abdel Raouf. The authorities have granted journalists a curfew exemption, and Mr. Abdel Raouf was driving a car bearing an official press badge from a meeting with the governor. The next day, the journalist who had been in the passenger seat, Hamed al-Barbari, began giving television interviews contradicting the spokesman. Rather than speeding, Mr. Barbari said, his colleague was shot in the head while slowly turning his car in response to a soldier’s instructions. About two hours after he spoke, a prosecutor arrested Mr. Barbari in the hospital and placed him in custody for four days, for allegedly possessing an illegal shotgun in the car at the time of the episode.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/25/world/middleeast/egypt-widens-crackdown-and-meaning-of-islamist.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0[/url]
Well, that's a pretty sensationalist title.
There was literally no way it could have gone any differently once Morsi was out.
[QUOTE=person11;41958984]There was literally no way it could have gone any differently once Morsi was out.[/QUOTE] oops oh wait tunis made it. there was literally a million ways it could have gone any way different you cynical shmuck.
[QUOTE=Falchion;41959114]oops oh wait tunis made it. there was literally a million ways it could have gone any way different you cynical shmuck.[/QUOTE] A lot of people said this shit was going to happen while most of facepunch was still golf clapping at the coup
It's going to be interesting to see how other countries start reacting to this.
[QUOTE=Falchion;41959114]oops oh wait tunis made it. there was literally a million ways it could have gone any way different you cynical shmuck.[/QUOTE] I was talking specifically about Egypt.
The purge begins. Stalin would be proud.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;41959198]A lot of people said this shit was going to happen while most of facepunch was still golf clapping at the coup[/QUOTE] fucked up, but honestly compared to the muslim brotherhood they aren't being that bad. the military doesn't have roaming bands of people seeking to rape women protesting against it for instance, like the brotherhood did.
[QUOTE=Wizards Court;41964176]fucked up, but honestly compared to the muslim brotherhood they aren't being that bad. the military doesn't have roaming bands of people seeking to rape women protesting against it for instance, like the brotherhood did.[/QUOTE] No they are just firing machineguns into crowds of unarmed people as a means of crowd control, nothing to get worried about.
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;41964402]No they are just firing machineguns into crowds of unarmed people as a means of crowd control, nothing to get worried about.[/QUOTE] The Chinese did it and no one bats an eye, but suddenly when brown people do it...
[QUOTE=draugur;41964421]The Chinese did it [B]and no one bats an eye[/B][/QUOTE] Are you fucking serious?
[QUOTE=draugur;41964421]The Chinese did it and no one bats an eye, but suddenly when brown people do it...[/QUOTE] Another example of draugur's brain hemorrhaging
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;41964402]No they are just firing machineguns into crowds of unarmed people as a means of crowd control, nothing to get worried about.[/QUOTE] thats why i said its fucked up, but still not as bad as the muslim brotherhood who are basically an arab version of nazis. [url]http://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/blog/michael-j-totten/truth-about-egypt[/url] [url]http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/08/22/the-muslim-brotherhood-s-war-on-coptic-christians.html[/url]
[QUOTE=Wizards Court;41964984]thats why i said its fucked up, but still not as bad as the muslim brotherhood who are basically an arab version of nazis. [url]http://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/blog/michael-j-totten/truth-about-egypt[/url] [url]http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/08/22/the-muslim-brotherhood-s-war-on-coptic-christians.html[/url][/QUOTE] I hope you realize the Generals are far more brutal against Coptic christians than the Muslim Brotherhood. Also, 'arab versions of nazi's' lmao [quote=BBC]One way to maintain internal cohesion is to create "demons" - a lesson learned from the "dirty wars" in Algeria in the 1990s and Argentina in the 1970s and 1980s. Coptic protesters were an easy target to rally soldiers and officers against. In October 2011, the army cracked down on a rally protesting against the burning of a church. Twenty-eight Christian Copts were killed and more than 200 protesters were injured, but state-owned television featured a hospitalised Egyptian soldier screaming: "The Christians - sons of dogs - killed us!" The systematic demonisation of anti-Scaf revolutionary groups, and the violent escalation that followed in November and December 2011, served the same purpose. After the coup of July 2013, the Muslim Brothers and Islamists became the new/old "demons".[/quote] [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-15235212[/url] [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23780839[/url]
[QUOTE=NoDachi;41964974]Another example of draugur's brain hemorrhaging[/QUOTE] It's called a joke, not a funny one, but still. It's off the whole, "everyone is racist to brown people." thing.
[QUOTE=draugur;41965046]It's called a joke, not a funny one, but still. It's off the whole, "everyone is racist to brown people." thing.[/QUOTE] What made you think that no one bats an eyelid at tiananmen square?
[QUOTE=NoDachi;41965028]I hope you realize the Generals are far more brutal against Coptic christians than the Muslim Brotherhood. Also, 'arab versions of nazi's' lmao [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-15235212[/url] [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23780839[/url][/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Eric Trager: The Muslim Brotherhood is certainly not democratic. Its view of Egyptian politics in one in which it should control everything. For example, while it is willing to pursue power through elections, once it comes to office its goal is to establish and Islamic state in which it and its institutions control the Egyptian bureaucracy and institute its version of Islam while sidelining and oppressing all opponents. “Moderate” is an even less accurate word in describing the Brotherhood. It’s designed to weed out moderates during the recruitment process. The process of becoming a Muslim Brother is a five to eight year ordeal where potential Muslim Brothers are vetted through five tiers of membership that tests their commitment to the cause and their willingness to take orders. Anyone who has second thoughts about the organization, the ideology, or their willingness to blindly do what they’re told, is out. When the Brotherhood first emerged as the leading organization after the 2011 uprising, a lot of observers thought it would become more moderate when forced to actually govern, but what those analysts overlooked that is that the Brotherhood prevents moderates from becoming members and prevents members from becoming moderates.[/QUOTE] did you even read the articles i linked? also did you read YOURS? because the first its the about the coptics being attacked by the islamists, and the second simply mentions a crackdown that happened in 2011, when [B]morsi[/B] was in power was still around thanks for proving my point with your articles lol.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;41965069]What made you think that no one bats an eyelid at tiananmen square?[/QUOTE] Nothing. Again, I wasn't even being serious.
[QUOTE=Wizards Court;41965108]did you even read the articles i linked? also did you read YOURS? because the first its the about the coptics being attacked by the islamists, and the second simply mentions a crackdown that happened in 2011, when [B]morsi[/B] was in power was still around thanks for proving my point with your articles lol.[/QUOTE] i'm sorry you can't prove that the muslim brotherhood are nazis i'm sorry you don't understand how much the military controls things, even under morsi. If you're looking for facists, look towards a military junta not a democratically elected party
[QUOTE=Wizards Court;41965108]did you even read the articles i linked? also did you read YOURS? because the first its the about the coptics being attacked by the islamists, and the second simply mentions a crackdown that happened in 2011, when [B]morsi[/B] was in power was still around thanks for proving my point with your articles lol.[/QUOTE] welp damn i can't edit, but anyway i made a mistake about morsi being in power in 2011, but still the military wasn't trying to murder coptics left and right like the brotherhood are even after morsi being deposed.
[QUOTE=draugur;41965141]Nothing. Again, I wasn't even being serious.[/QUOTE] Nobody can detect the tone of your voice on an internet forum, you should probably make sarcasm more obvious because that would not have been the dumbest thing I've read on facepunch even if it was serious.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;41965148]i'm sorry you can't prove that the muslim brotherhood are nazis i'm sorry you don't understand how much the military controls things, even under morsi. If you're looking for facists, look towards a military junta not a democratically elected party[/QUOTE] the MB are Nazis. They combine their pan-Arab national socialism with a nutty religious fervor that makes it impenetrable to debate. They are not going to be part of any meaningful democratic process, because like German and Greek Nazis, their idea of resolving disputes is to knock the teeth out of anyone who speaks up against them. It's a group that believes gang rape is an acceptable form of dialogue, and exercises this at every opportunity; the Tahrir protests had scores of roaming gang explicitly for this purpose. Their first and most significant acts since taking power were to directly target and wipe out as many minority groups as possible, the Copts being the most visible, because that's what Nazis do. [url]http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-891987[/url]
lmao cnn ireport is user posted stories. Its no more credible than what you post. did you literally just hit "muslim brotherhood nazis" into google
[QUOTE=NoDachi;41965285]lmao cnn ireport is user posted stories. Its no more credible than what you post. did you literally just hit "muslim brotherhood nazis" into google[/QUOTE] again, have you actually seen my other links? edit: also i got curious and decided to do just that, amusingly it doesn't show up. but do keep the up with the ad hominen through, and keep believing the military is the evil boogeyman(through they do suck) and the brotherhood are saints(lol).
[QUOTE=Wizards Court;41965348]but do keep the up with the ad hominen through[/QUOTE] Says the guy calling the Muslim brotherhood's views into immediate circumstantial question (without evidence, I might add) because he regards them as Muslim Nazis for whatever reason. I'm pretty sure that's one of the exact definitions of "ad hominem" X crazy muslim outcast raped X woman, must be the Muslim brotherhood behind it, those dastardly nazis!
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;41965432]Says the guy calling the Muslim brotherhood's views into immediate circumstantial question (without evidence, I might add) because he regards them as Muslim Nazis for whatever reason. I'm pretty sure that's one of the exact definitions of "ad hominem" X crazy muslim outcast raped X woman, must be the Muslim brotherhood behind it, those dastardly nazis![/QUOTE] i provided evidence... fuck it was one of my first posts, the first linked i posted, i even provided a quote holy shit. do people no longer read articles? even cnn reported on the rapes. [url]http://edition.cnn.com/2013/07/03/opinion/burleigh-rapes-tahrir-square[/url]
That's evidence for there being rape in Egypt, it has nothing to do with anything other than rape. Can you find me a single day in Brazil where women don't get raped? [editline]25th August 2013[/editline] For fucks sake, your article says "Opinion:"
[QUOTE=Wizards Court;41964176]fucked up, but honestly compared to the muslim brotherhood they aren't being that bad. the military doesn't have roaming bands of people seeking to rape women protesting against it for instance, like the brotherhood did.[/QUOTE] What are you talking about, there was a ton of rape during the anti Morsi protests. One of the government officials post-coup was the one who organized "virginity tests" for women. There is nothing good about this coup. [editline]25th August 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=hypno-toad;41965554]That's evidence for there being rape in Egypt, it has nothing to do with anything other than rape. Can you find me a single day in Brazil where women don't get raped? [editline]25th August 2013[/editline] For fucks sake, your article says "Opinion:"[/QUOTE] Well, the rape that was occurring in Egypt was much worse than the rates seen during normal times. So rape during protests is something to be worried about. The important thing to consider is that all the protests have had this problem in Egypt. Not just the Muslim Brotherhood ones.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;41965028]I hope you realize the Generals are far more brutal against Coptic christians than the Muslim Brotherhood.[/QUOTE] Fuck em. They protest here in the US against everything our culture stands for anyway, I've seen them do it myself, slogans like "Down with the US!". In fact, I'm kind of glad they're cracking down at Islamism the way they are. It's a legitimate threat to the existence of western civilization, so much so that future generations will probably be thankful we attempted to stop and suppress them. They are against women's rights, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, individuality and personal expression in every form as they believe it's against Islam - and the worst part is their movement is only growing, only continuing to further hatred, fanaticism, and ignorance. In my opinion, they deserve nothing less than obliteration. Religious nutjobs are the bane of every modern society and should be treated like one would a slaveowner - [URL="http://canvas.union.shef.ac.uk/wordpress/?p=1860"]Oh wait, they do that too[/URL].
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