Hamas condemns murder of Italian activist in Gaza - two arrested so far
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Jon Donnison BBC News, Ramallah
[release]Vittorio Arrigoni was a fierce critic of Israel but it is Palestinians that killed him. The 36-year-old was a passionate defender of the rights of people in Gaza and Palestinian friends have opened a mourning tent in Gaza City.
There have been no kidnappings of this kind since Hamas came to power in 2007. The Islamist movement will see this as a challenge to its authority.
Two members of an al-Qaeda inspired Salafist group have been arrested. Salafists practise an ultra-conservative form of Islam and regard Hamas as too moderate.
[B]Many will be watching to see whether Hamas responds with violence. In 2009, Hamas killed over 25 Salafists after one group challenged its leadership.[/B]
The movement is treading a fine line. It does not want to alienate conservative Islamists in Gaza but, at the same time, Hamas has had to become increasingly pragmatic, governing for a population living under much hardship.
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[URL]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-13096789[/URL]
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[B]The Palestinian militant group that governs Gaza, Hamas, has condemned the murder of Italian pro-Palestinian activist Vittorio Arrigoni.
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A [B]Hamas spokesman described the killing as "against the humanity... of the Palestinian people"[/B].
Mr Arrigoni was found dead hours after being seized on Thursday by a radical group in conflict with Hamas.
Police said he was found hanged in a Gaza City apartment and [B]two people have been arrested[/B].
'Awful' killing
Mr Arrigoni, 36, was seized by Salafist radicals, an Islamist movement that considers Hamas as too moderate, BBC Gaza correspondent Jon Donnison says.
The Salafists had threatened to execute Mr Arrigoni by 1400 GMT on Friday unless several prisoners, including their leader, Sheikh Abu Walid al-Maqdasi, were released. Sheikh Maqdasi was arrested by Hamas police last month in Gaza City.
In a video posted on YouTube, Mr Arrigoni appeared to have been beaten and his eyes were covered with thick black tape.
A caption on the video read: "The Italian hostage entered our land only to spread corruption." The video called Italy "the infidel state".
[B]It is not clear why Mr Arrigoni was killed before the given deadline[/B], but the Hamas interior ministry said he had died soon after being abducted.
Hamas officials said two people had been arrested and others were being sought, but gave no further details.
Interior ministry spokesman Ehab al-Ghussein said Mr Arrigoni was killed "in an awful way".
Mr Ghussein told reporters that the security forces had been led to the house in Gaza City after a tip-off.
He described the killing as a "heinous crime which has nothing to do with our values, our religion, our customs and traditions", and vowed to hunt down and bring to justice those who were involved.
Hamas spokesman Salama Marouf said the killing went "against the humanity and against the custom and tradition of the Palestinian people".
About 2,000 people in Gaza attended a rally to protest Mr Arrigoni's killing.
'Humble man'
In Rome, the Italian foreign ministry expressed "its deep horror over the barbaric murder".
Italian diplomats have been in touch with Israel regarding the transfer of the body from the Gaza Strip, possibly on Sunday, an Israeli official has told the BBC.
His mother said he was a humble man.
"He never hung out with the powerful, he never went to the 'palaces,' if that's what you can call those [headquarters] of Hamas," Egidia Beretta said.
"He had two rooms in this apartment house that overlooked the port," she told Italian TV.
Friends of the activist gathered outside the hospital where his body had been taken on Friday morning.
"He came from across the world, left his country and family and his entire life and came here to break the siege, and we kill him? Why?" asked one of his friends.
Mr Arrigoni was a member of the International Solidarity Movement (ISM) and had been in Gaza for several years.
Huwaida Arraf, a co-founder of the ISM, said he was very well-known in the territory and had a "dynamic, humanitarian personality".
"I even thought that whoever has him is going to see his humanity and just let him go, so when I heard what happened to him I was totally shocked," she told the AFP news agency.
[B]Hamas had been credited with eliminating the threat of kidnapping in Gaza until his abduction. [/B]
Mr Arrigoni was the first foreigner kidnapped in Gaza since BBC journalist Alan Johnston was abducted in 2007.
Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit has been held in Gaza since June 2006. He was captured in a raid into Israel by Hamas and other militant groups.[/quote]
Poor guy, I really feel sorry for him. What I don't understand is why this "group" executed him way before the deadline? He was abducted by Safalists, they promised to kill him if Hamas did not free specific imprisoned Safalists, however, he was killed before the deadline was met, why?
Who benefits from this?
Why the fuck did they murder someone who was essentially supporting them.
[QUOTE=Occlusion;29195296]Why the fuck did they murder someone who was essentially supporting them.[/QUOTE]
That's what really confuses, along with the fact that he was killed way before the deadline, it's pretty suspicious. There's definitely more to this.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;29195323]That's what really confuses, along with the fact that he was killed way before the deadline, it's pretty suspicious. There's definitely more to this.[/QUOTE]
Maybe hamas actually did it to justify harsher punishment of their opposition. Just speculating of course.
Maybe, but I doubt it, among other reasons, this ruined the PR and image of the Palestinian cause which is one of Hamas' biggest fears and focuses (PR and image) This guy was extremely pro-Palestinian/anti-Israeli, he commonly equated Israel to Nazis in blog, I'm pretty sure Hamas would love this guy to stay alive.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;29195430]I doubt it, among other reasons, this ruined the PR and image of the Palestinian cause which is one of Hamas' biggest fears and focuses (PR and image) This guy was extremely pro-Palestinian/anti-Israeli, he commonly equated Israel as Nazis in blog, I'm pretty sure Hamas would love this guy to stay alive.[/QUOTE]
Well if he had a negative image of Israel surely that points to the Israelis being behind this?
[QUOTE=Starpluck;29195278]Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit has been held in Gaza since June 2006. He was captured in a raid into Israel by Hamas and other militant groups.[/QUOTE]
What ever happened to this guy?
[QUOTE=Explosions;29195582]What ever happened to this guy?[/QUOTE]
The same thing that happened to the other hundreds of nameless Palestinians currently imprisoned in Israel; nothing.
[editline]15th April 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Coffee;29195563]Well if he had a negative image of Israel surely that points to the Israelis being behind this?[/QUOTE]
meh, that's another possibility. If that was the case, everything would match-up and make sense for sure.
think about it, no one would benefit more then Israel in this case.
but it could just be the salafis though, idk
but the possibility of it being Mossad cannot be ruled out as well.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;29195626]The same thing that happened to the other hundreds of nameless Palestinians currently imprisoned in Israel; nothing.[/QUOTE]
Oh OK thank you for telling me good sir have a nice day.
[QUOTE=Coffee;29195563]Well if he had a negative image of Israel surely that points to the Israelis being behind this?[/QUOTE]
There are times when I see things just too horrible to be true. Sometimes, I think "Hamas does some terrible things, but this is just way too far." I feel like Israel wants these things to happen, and when they don't, they make it happen.
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[QUOTE=Starpluck;29195323]That's what really confuses, along with the fact that he was killed way before the deadline, it's pretty suspicious. There's definitely more to this.[/QUOTE]
The Safalists care for their own personal intrests. They don't care about Gaza.
It saddens me that this kind of shit happens to people whom don't just sit in their home in buttfuck nowhere yelling at how much one side is right and the other is wrong.
He was actively supporting peace and in the end killed by those who resist it (regardless of by which side in the conflict).
[editline]15th April 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=amute;29197582]The Safalists care for their own personal intrests. They don't care about Gaza.[/QUOTE]
This, there's a number of factions in Gaza that some of them don't really care for the ordinary citizen's welfare, and rather just care about controlling the area, it being an "easy" target with the anarchy going down there.
And much as many people in Israel would probably like this guy to "go away" I doubt it was an action from the Israeli side.
[QUOTE=Coffee;29195563]Well if he had a negative image of Israel surely that points to the Israelis being behind this?[/QUOTE]
jesus christ mossad isn't responsible for every murder of someone who supports Hamas/Palestinians/vaguely against the state of Israel/Jews. if they were, then starpluck and half of this forum would be dead by now.
this is utterly ridiculous - it's like those jewish world plot conspiracy theories.
And another person died because of some nutcases who took religion seriously.
Also, sorry for not reading the previous article at all. I quickly assumed that Hamas did it, which was
extremely unwise on my part. Sorry.
Has Israel reacted to this?
[QUOTE=Dr_Funk;29215200]jesus christ mossad isn't responsible for every murder of someone who supports Hamas/Palestinians/vaguely against the state of Israel/Jews. if they were, then starpluck and half of this forum would be dead by now.
this is utterly ridiculous - it's like those jewish world plot conspiracy theories.[/QUOTE]
The mossad also aren't as apples and roses as you like to make them out to be. Then again, I've seen you do nothing but mindlessly defend Israel in every single thread, so I shouldn't be surprised.
[QUOTE=CertainDOOM;29215551]Has Israel reacted to this?[/QUOTE]
what would you expect them to do?
[QUOTE=amute;29216384]The mossad also aren't as apples and roses as you like to make them out to be. Then again, I've seen you do nothing but mindlessly defend Israel in every single thread, so I shouldn't be surprised.[/QUOTE]
And all I've seen you do is make a lovely straw man of everyone in here. As far as you're concerned, we're all Israel worshipping blind fools who can see no wrong in anything done by our side.
Seriously, stop it.
[QUOTE=Devodiere;29216601]And all I've seen you do is make a lovely straw man of everyone in here. As far as you're concerned, we're all Israel worshipping blind fools who can see no wrong in anything done by our side.
Seriously, stop it.[/QUOTE]
When literally every single time Israel does something wrong, you always see the same fucking faces pop in to defend it. It's not a 'strawman' when it happens ALL the time.
[QUOTE=amute;29217476]When literally every single time Israel does something wrong, you always see the same fucking faces pop in to defend it. It's not a 'strawman' when it happens ALL the time.[/QUOTE]
Maybe he has some kind of ties with this state we all like to call Israel.
[QUOTE=amute;29217476]When literally every single time Israel does something wrong, you always see the same fucking faces pop in to defend it. It's not a 'strawman' when it happens ALL the time.[/QUOTE]
Just as you see the same faces that come in and defend Hamas. That was the definition of a strawman. Nothing relevant to the point
[editline]17th April 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=jellal;29217508]Maybe he has some kind of ties with this state we all like to call Israel.[/QUOTE]
clearly amute doesn't like to call it Israel
[QUOTE=DogGunn;29217545]Just as you see the same faces that come in and defend Hamas. That was the definition of a strawman. Nothing relevant to the point
[editline]17th April 2011[/editline]
clearly amute doesn't like to call it Israel[/QUOTE]
I do think some blame should be put on Israel for making the lives of the Arabs terrible, and I do not agree with the "Terrorist Groups" targeting innocent jewish citizens unless they had proof they had transgressed or something. So if the media is telling truth than that is my opinion, but if it's lying my opinion will surely change. Of course Euro Countries had to do a terrible job of relocating the Jewish community and giving them their own land, and I am pretty sure they could have worked out some kind of deal to move them some place else since most people in the state of israel are Atheist.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;29217545]Just as you see the same faces that come in and defend Hamas. That was the definition of a strawman. Nothing relevant to the point[/quote]
I have never once defended Hamas. Nice strawman.
[quote]clearly amute doesn't like to call it Israel[/QUOTE]
Thank you for telling me what I like to think. so uh, what do i like to call Israel then? Seriously, I don't know.
guys keep it isreal
[QUOTE=amute;29217476]When literally every single time Israel does something wrong, you always see the same fucking faces pop in to defend it. It's not a 'strawman' when it happens ALL the time.[/QUOTE]
Wanna know why the same people come up in these threads? Because it takes a decent amount of background knowledge to not make yourself look stupid. Mostly people who have already been arguing in these threads and know a fair bit do it, everyone else can't be stuffed arguing about a world topic unrelated to them.
If you wanna know why it's a strawman, it's because your perception of everyone else is wrong. It is possible for someone to argue a side and not mindlessly defend them. We know the flaws, we know what has been done wrong, we understand it in a different context to you. We argue to come to a more close to reality conclusion rather than just having one side circle jerk over a shared perception.
[QUOTE=amute;29222217]I have never once defended Hamas. Nice strawman. [/quote]
If you're going to call me out on that - then well done, because it was a response to your strawman. And as always, it wasn't necessarily you I was speaking of.
[QUOTE=amute;29222217]Thank you for telling me what I like to think. so uh, what do i like to call Israel then? Seriously, I don't know.[/QUOTE]
Fucked if I know. You don't seem to be very consistent. That's for sure.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;29230018]
Fucked if I know. You don't seem to be very consistent. That's for sure.[/QUOTE]
I don't think i've ever claimed Israel should be called anything else other then israel, what the fuck are you on?
[QUOTE=amute;29230261]I don't think i've ever claimed Israel should be called anything else other then israel, what the fuck are you on?[/QUOTE]
Wow, your English comprehension can't be any good if you're actually asking me this.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;29230394]Wow, your English comprehension can't be any good if you're actually asking me this.[/QUOTE]
i don't see how his reading comprehension is shit
you said "clearly amute doesn't like to call it Israel" what the hell were you implying if not that
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