CRTC declares the internet a basic service. Canadians everywhere to get 50/10 mbit/s by 2031!
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[url=http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/crtc-internet-essential-service-1.3906664]Source - CBC[/url]
[quote]The CRTC has declared broadband internet a basic telecommunications service.
In a ruling handed down today, the national regulator ordered the country's internet providers to begin working toward boosting internet service and speeds in rural and isolated areas.[/quote]
[quote]With today's ruling, the CRTC has set new targets for internet service providers to offer customers in all parts of the country download speeds of at least 50 megabits per second (Mbps) and upload speeds of at least 10 Mbps, and to also offer the option of unlimited data.
The CRTC estimates two million Canadian households, or roughly 18 per cent, don't have access to those speeds or data. The CRTC's goal is to reduce that to 10 per cent by 2021 and down to zero in the next 10 to 15 years.
To achieve that, the CRTC will require providers pay into a fund that's set to grow to $750 million over five years. The companies will be able to dip into that fund to help pay for the infrastructure needed to extend high-speed service to areas where it is not currently available.[/quote]
[quote][B]The regulator has not intervened directly to make internet cheaper.[/B][/quote]
Awesome! A great step in the right direction for the people of Canada!
Meanwhile America's going to have BLAZING FAST(tm) 1mbit/s internet for triple the cost!
Really tempted to escape to Canada if I get the opportunity.
[QUOTE=Disgruntled;51566837]Meanwhile America's going to have BLAZING FAST(tm) 1mbit/s internet for triple the cost!
Really tempted to escape to Canada if I get the opportunity.[/QUOTE]
By 2031 you'll probably see SpaceX's LEO satellite constellation up and running.
[QUOTE=Marbalo;51566830]2031 is a long ways away.
I'd expect to get speeds like that by 2020 at worst.[/QUOTE]
I'm limited to 8/1 Mbit/s. At the beginning of the year my municipality investigated improving the town's internet infrastructure. Bell, Telus, and Shaw all pretty much responded with "your town is too small for us to invest in new infrastructure" a week later, so this is great news for me.
and the crtc continues to be fucking useless. by that time the infrastructure for 1gbps internet will be constructed almost everywhere and 10gbps internet will be on the horizon.
did you know that there's no formal way to send an email to the crtc? there's a couple outlets to call them or snail mail them stuff, but as for an actual public email that you could, say, email them to bitch out how useless they are instead of strictly for reporting violations of their stupid policies, they simply don't have one. the canadian radio and [b]telecommunications[/b] commission doesn't have an email you can use to give them feedback. that should really tell you all you need to know about how much they actually care about canadian internet infrastructure.
god forbid you run a radio station and don't air the required whatever percent of canadian content that the crtc forces you though. those are the hard hitting issues that require intervention.
by the way, the last little quote in the op is important, the crtc simply is telling isps how fast the internet needs to be. as for subsidizing the price of that service, perhaps for low income families or simply making internet all around more affordable (if you're at all familiar with canadian internet you'll know how fucking ridiculously expensive it can be), they don't give a single fuck.
[QUOTE=Cakebatyr;51566841]I'm limited to 8/1 Mbit/s. At the beginning of the year my municipality investigated improving the town's internet infrastructure. Bell, Telus, and Shaw all pretty much responded with "your town is too small for us to invest in new infrastructure" a week later, so this is great news for me.[/QUOTE]
Except they can continue putting it off for another 15 years and there's a decent chance you won't even be living in the same place by then :v:
[QUOTE=Dr. Evilcop;51566858]Except they can continue putting it off for another 15 years and there's a decent chance you won't even be living in the same place by then :v:[/QUOTE]
I expect that is exactly what they will do.
Wish they would do the same for cell plans. We are literally the worst [B]globally[/B] when it comes to value within our cell plans. My current plan is $60 a month for 2gbs of data and texting and what not lol, and that was after calling customer loyalty to get it dropped from the ridiculous $80 for 1gb they wanted.
[QUOTE=Wafflemonstr;51566895]Wish they would do the same for cell plans. We are literally the worst [B]globally[/B] when it comes to value within our cell plans. My current plan is $60 a month for 2gbs of data and texting and what not lol, and that was after calling customer loyalty to get it dropped from the ridiculous $80 for 1gb they wanted.[/QUOTE]
I pay $120 for 5GB at Rogers.
I go through a lot of data - if I want an extra 1GB when I start getting close to my limit, it's $15 extra.
The overage charges though if I don't purchase extra data are actually terrifying
yeah, now how much is it going to end up costing?
The goal of getting to less than 10% of people with under 50mb internet by 2021 is a good goal but honestly i would expect near 1gb fibre internet by 2031 , 15 years is a long ass time
in 15 years mobiles went from
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To today's smartphones
[QUOTE=BazzBerry;51566995]I pay $120 for 5GB at Rogers.
I go through a lot of data - if I want an extra 1GB when I start getting close to my limit, it's $15 extra.
The overage charges though if I don't purchase extra data are actually terrifying[/QUOTE]
What the fuck. We're renowned for shit internet but I can get 6gb of 4G for $35 ($25 burger dollars, $34 maple bucks) / month (+ unlimited text + calls, 250 minutes international) without a contract.
[QUOTE=helifreak;51567030]What the fuck. We're renowned for shit internet but I can get 6gb of 4G for $35 ($25 burger dollars, $34 maple bucks) / month (+ unlimited text + calls, 250 minutes international) without a contract.[/QUOTE]
Welcome to Canada. If you really want to get wrecked, try moving to Ontario and getting a phone or car insurance. Most guys in cities kiss their dreams of driving before 25 because it's impossibly expensive.
[QUOTE=helifreak;51567030]What the fuck. We're renowned for shit internet but I can get 6gb of 4G for $35 ($25 burger dollars, $34 maple bucks) / month (+ unlimited text + calls, 250 minutes international) without a contract.[/QUOTE]
How good is the service though. We have similar no contract plans in the US that are cheap as fuck but the internet speeds and the call coverage are garbage.
[QUOTE=mickers;51567008]The goal of getting to less than 10% of people with under 50mb internet by 2021 is a good goal but honestly i would expect near 1gb fibre internet by 2031 , 15 years is a long ass time
in 15 years mobiles went from
[t]http://lowres-picturecabinet.com.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/43/main/20/99266.jpg[/t]
To today's smartphones[/QUOTE]
webpage data requirements has not grown the same, it actually shrunk. Although i do share the sentiment that an automatically scaling goal is smart government... for example 25% of the average speed limit of users.
they should go with fiber to the node, the superior technology!
[QUOTE=Anderan;51567060]How good is the service though. We have similar no contract plans in the US that are cheap as fuck but the internet speeds and the call coverage are garbage.[/QUOTE]
There are three telecom overlords here, so coverage is decent. If you go with something cheaper, you might have problems getting reception out of the cities.
[QUOTE=Anderan;51567060]How good is the service though. We have similar no contract plans in the US that are cheap as fuck but the internet speeds and the call coverage are garbage.[/QUOTE]
It's using the Telstra network (which covers basically everything and covers more than any other network). I'm in a tiny city (which basically has a movie theater, bowling alley, and nothing else to do) with fuck all reception (2-3 bars is a good day) and it's still ~3x faster download and ~20x faster upload than my home connection.
When I was visiting my brother in an actually populated area I had 5 bars the whole time, I'm on pre paid though so I didn't speed test it.
[QUOTE=BazzBerry;51566995]I pay $120 for 5GB at Rogers.
I go through a lot of data - if I want an extra 1GB when I start getting close to my limit, it's $15 extra.
The overage charges though if I don't purchase extra data are actually terrifying[/QUOTE]
I pay $86 ($13 of which is "fuck you, this plan doesn't have call display so shell out for it") for 6GB with Bell on my contract from 2010.
I had Bell call up the other day asking if I wanted to [I]upgrade[/I] my plan to a 2GB plan for no additional cost.
[QUOTE=Cakebatyr;51567095]I pay $86 ($13 of which is "fuck you, this plan doesn't have call display so shell out for it") for 6GB with Bell on my contract from 2010.
I had Bell call up the other day asking if I wanted to [I]upgrade[/I] my plan to a 2GB plan for no additional cost.[/QUOTE]
I'm on Bell prepaid, and my caller id is included, what the heck?
Sorta glad about this but they will probably raise the prices.
[QUOTE=nomad1;51567122]Sorta glad about this but they will probably raise the prices.[/QUOTE]
Shaw's already been jacking up my bill by $5-10 every year for the last five or six years. And I've been with them for over a decade.
If they see this as an excuse to jack prices up again a big fat wad, some poor retentions manager is getting a polite but difficult-to-please call.
I'm now paying about $95/month, before tax, for 60Mb down/6 up on a plan that started off costing $65/month. The only plan around the $60 mark now is 30Mb/s and the next plan up is (up-to-)150Mb/s (using FTTN) for... $100! And this is without having phone or TV packaged in, this is strictly Internet service. I'd switch to Telus and take advantage of their new-customer pricing until it becomes inconvenient and then hop back over on Shaw on their new-customer pricing for a while, but Telus rotates DSL IPs very often (like every few minutes) because they don't want people using their symmetric DSL for hosting servers. If there's one thing I appreciate about Shaw is that if you're keeping it low-key and for personal use they don't give a fuck and "dynamic" residential IPs tend to be static for 6-12 months in practice at no cost.
[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;51567144]Shaw's already been jacking up my bill by $5-10 every year for the last five or six years. And I've been with them for over a decade.
If they see this as an excuse to jack prices up again a big fat wad, some poor retentions manager is getting a polite but difficult-to-please call.[/QUOTE]
I've had such a bad experience with Shaw that when I moved out from my moms townhouse I jumped back to Telus which is what we used to have when we were living in an actual house.
No issues ever since and we have only had one tech person in to set up the equipment as opposed to Shaw's techs who honestly are brain dead. Had 8 people once come on by to fix connection issues because their crapbox could not handle multiple connections and the eighth person was actually smart and changed out the box which for a while fixed the issue.
I swear, Telus tech rejects end up getting sucked up by Shaw. No other way they can be that incompetent.
Edit: Hell, Telus guy wired everything up in a way that if I want to down the road, I can go for the package up which gives me and my brother our own dedicated lines.
[QUOTE=Joeyl10;51566848]and the crtc continues to be fucking useless. by that time the infrastructure for 1gbps internet will be constructed almost everywhere and 10gbps internet will be on the horizon.[/QUOTE]
Honestly, having been on 1Gbps internet for over a year now I honestly can't see much use or functionality for residential connection speeds of 10Gbps, unless SSDs become insanely cheaper/even faster than they are now. The main problem I have with the 1Gbps connection is that my drives are bottle-necking it. Theoretically, I have a maximum download speed of 125MBps, though the closest I've gotten to that was 35MBps [I]at maximum[/I]. So unless you have a shitload of people on the same network, I can't see anything beyond 1Gbps being worthwhile unless it's cheap enough for one to say "eh, fuck it".
[QUOTE=nomad1;51567162]-stuff-[/QUOTE]
I'm sure it varies by area. I've never really had any problems with Shaw, but aside from the modem being fucked or the problem being upstream (and nothing I can do about to start with), I'm generally savvy enough to know how to fix it myself. Fortunately, my house's wiring seems solid enough, so that's not a factor.
[QUOTE=Morgen;51566839]By 2031 you'll probably see SpaceX's LEO satellite constellation up and running.[/QUOTE]
Latency on satellite internet is fucking garbage and still requires considerable ground infrastructure as your signal has to go from your house to a local satellite dish, beamed into fucking space, beamed around some and back down to earth. Transmissions into space take a set amount of time that we really can't lessen at our current technological level that makes it literally impossible to do anything that requires a low ping on a satellite connection. IE, no video games.
The real ticket is more fiber installation. In Europe there's a line that runs something like 43 tbps between Paris and Berlin iirc, France and Germany at the least, on one single line. And with current laser optimised multi-mode fiber we're in a very good time to be installing and updating our fiber backbones/bringing it to the curb. The only issue with fiber is that it takes a skilled technician to install it because it's fragile and you have to terminate the cables and your bend radius is much larger than copper because it's glass and sharp bends cause light loss. But honestly I got my fiber optic technician certification a week ago as part of a class I had to take this fall, was really fucking easy if you're at all skilled with your hands. Honestly fiber to curb would be pretty much maximum ideal for most of our needs currently and for a good portion of the known future.
[QUOTE=Zero-Point;51567184]Honestly, having been on 1Gbps internet for over a year now I honestly can't see much use or functionality for residential connection speeds of 10Gbps, unless SSDs become insanely cheaper/even faster than they are now. The main problem I have with the 1Gbps connection is that my drives are bottle-necking it. Theoretically, I have a maximum download speed of 125MBps, though the closest I've gotten to that was 35MBps [I]at maximum[/I]. So unless you have a shitload of people on the same network, I can't see anything beyond 1Gbps being worthwhile unless it's cheap enough for one to say "eh, fuck it".[/QUOTE]
Considered that maybe your disk is fucked? My server can download linux distros (so random writes) at 90 MiB/s with just 2 HDDs in RAID 0.
But yeah 10 gbps isn't really needed for residential at this point though, gigabit is enough to stream 20 blu rays at source quality at once. Highest bitrate content for normal use is probably the 4k version of Men in Black on Sony's video service at 163 Mbps, other than that you could stream the 4k TimeScapes at ~900 Mbps if you want that for some reason.
[QUOTE=Cakebatyr;51566841]I'm limited to 8/1 Mbit/s. At the beginning of the year my municipality investigated improving the town's internet infrastructure. Bell, Telus, and Shaw all pretty much responded with "your town is too small for us to invest in new infrastructure" a week later, so this is great news for me.[/QUOTE]
My company is sort of in the same situation so we formed a union of local companies and you wouldn't believe how fast the mayor and the telcos jumped after basically everyone making money in the aread demanded internet.
Sounds like price gouging in the future for the Maritimes
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