HTTP Error 451 approved for when a website gets censored - Polidicks

[url]http://www.pcworld.com/article/3017553/internet/error-451-is-the-new-ray-bradbury-inspired-http-code-for-online-censorship.html[/url] [QUOTE]The web is full of cryptic status codes that your browser shows when it can’t connect to a website, such as 403 Forbidden or 404 Not Found. Now the Internet Engineering Steering Group is adding one more error code for your browser—but this time it will make it all too clear why you can’t see something. The IESG recently approved status code 451 that tells visitors they can’t see the requested content due to “legal obstacles,” which usually means government censorship. Former Google engineer Tim Bray suggested code 451, inspired by Ray Bradbury’s dystopian novel Fahrenheit 451, back in 2012. Status code 451 can be used by a website such as Facebook or Twitter, or by network intermediaries like a firewall or ISP. At first glance, 451 seems like a great idea to notify citizens in repressive countries if their government is blocking specific content. But those types of governments are also likely to prevent their citizens from even seeing that error code in the first place. Plus, if you live in a country where information is restricted you’re probably well aware of why you can’t see a certain site. [/QUOTE] [url]https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-httpbis-legally-restricted-status/[/url]

They're not going to do it they don't want to make it so people resist

[quote]Former Google engineer Tim Bray suggested code 451, inspired by Ray Bradbury’s dystopian novel Fahrenheit 451, back in 2012.[/quote] Hahaha, nice one It'll definitely make it that much more recognizeable

[QUOTE]cryptic status codes ... such as 403 Forbidden or 404 Not Found.[/QUOTE] Those are like the most blatantly self explanatory error codes though?

I think this is a tool to show that your governemt is blocking this...

[QUOTE=650leetARIMI;49363639]They're not going to do it they don't want to make it so people resist[/QUOTE] I assume the idea is that when a provider (be it an ISP or a hosting provider) is required to censor something they will reply with this error code instead of what they currently do. My ISP either responds with a massive page saying the site is blocked, or apparently for stuff that is on a "bad" list it returns a fake 404 but I have no way of knowing for that reason and the nature of the stuff on that list.

Well, they're laying the groundwork I guess...

[QUOTE=Alice3173;49363678]Those are like the most blatantly self explanatory error codes though?[/QUOTE] They should've mentioned 418 I'm a teapot.

[QUOTE=agentfazexx;49364102]Well, they're laying the groundwork I guess...[/QUOTE] This Does Not Mean that the US internet will be censored... this is like for china If they didn't leave.

[QUOTE=Darkwater124;49364472]They should've mentioned 418 I'm a teapot.[/QUOTE] [URL="https://www.google.com/teapot"]The requested entity is short and stout.[/URL] [editline]21st December 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=OmniConsUme;49364590]This Does Not Mean that the US internet will be censored... this is like for china If they didn't leave.[/QUOTE] You're the only one who is reading that out of the story.

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The only weird and cryptic error code I've ever gotten was a guru meditation error.

Why do I feel like this is going to be the end of facepunch?

[QUOTE=shadowdude14;49364854]Why do I feel like this is going to be the end of facepunch?[/QUOTE] What This isn't the government going "now we can censor things" this is just a new HTTP error code to represent something that [b]already occurs[/b] :|

[QUOTE=geel9;49365133]What This isn't the government going "now we can censor things" this is just a new HTTP error code to represent something that [b]already occurs[/b] :|[/QUOTE] Don't you know? Webpages never went missing before error 404 was added to the HTTP standard.

uh sites can already be censored, it would just show 403 before, so this makes more sense

[QUOTE=Alice3173;49363678]Those are like the most blatantly self explanatory error codes though?[/QUOTE] In common vernacular yes. But what are errors 0 to 402?

[QUOTE=Kyle902;49364795]The only weird and cryptic error code I've ever gotten was a guru meditation error.[/QUOTE] Clearly the guru in charge of the server was off meditating and thus couldn't serve you any pages. [QUOTE=Swilly;49365723]But what are errors 0 to 402?[/QUOTE] [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_HTTP_status_codes[/url] Things most people aren't going to generally run into. I've only personally come across a few others myself. 401, 408, 429, 500, 502, 503, 504, and 509. Out of those the only ones that are as straight forward as 403 or 404 are 429, 500, and 509 for your average internet user.

I hate how they call these codes "cryptic" like there is some collegiate level class that teaches HTTP status codes. Same thing with those "cryptic BSOD codes" that need that elusive lexicon called Google to decode the messages. Nothing cryptic about it. If you're a power user, sysadmin or a tech savvy person and you're interested in the error and its possible resolve, then you know how to solve these "cryptic" messages. And this means absolutely fuck all about Censorship. Its already occuring, and its not the death of facepunch, or the pirate bay. Its a level of transparency on why the website is not viewable to you beszides just a "404" or "403" error. Which can be use broadly and mean a lot of different issues. 451 will mean its censored to you. And you can take your questions wherever you feel it could be addressed. Probably wouldn't hurt to read the article, or question things you don't know fully instead of making assumptions.

[QUOTE=Richard Simmons;49366036]I hate how they call these codes "cryptic" like there is some collegiate level class that teaches HTTP status codes. Same thing with those "cryptic BSOD codes" that need that elusive lexicon called Google to decode the messages. Nothing cryptic about it. If you're a power user, sysadmin or a tech savvy person and you're interested in the error and its possible resolve, then you know how to solve these "cryptic" messages. And this means absolutely fuck all about Censorship. Its already occuring, and its not the death of facepunch, or the pirate bay. Its a level of transparency on why the website is not viewable to you beszides just a "404" or "403" error. Which can be use broadly and mean a lot of different issues. 451 will mean its censored to you. And you can take your questions wherever you feel it could be addressed. Probably wouldn't hurt to read the article, or question things you don't know fully instead of making assumptions.[/QUOTE] We are aware of what it means its pretty blatant we're just moving beyond that and having a discussion but on a side note does this mean it would only be applied to chrome and search engine results

[QUOTE=650leetARIMI;49366553]but on a side note does this mean it would only be applied to chrome and search engine results[/QUOTE] I think you misunderstood what he was referring to when he was talking about Google. He was talking about a web search to figure out what the error you're getting means.

[QUOTE=650leetARIMI;49366553]We are aware of what it means its pretty blatant we're just moving beyond that and having a discussion but on a side note does this mean it would only be applied to chrome and search engine results[/QUOTE] In a way, it could be tied to it. It may be possible that you find a link in your webbrowser that is blocked by your DNS or carrier, but the result may still appear in your search results. But yeah, definitely not I was talking about before. See an error code, google it if you really care about it.

[QUOTE=Alice3173;49365976] [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_HTTP_status_codes[/url] [/QUOTE] [quote]420 Enhance Your Calm (Twitter)[/quote] God damn it twitter :v:

Pretty sure those who censors would rather prefer it to be like it never existed (404), instead of showing it's been censored.