Man whose dog was shot by police accused of intimidating witness
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[I]More than 6 felony charges were filed against Leon Cordell Rosby, who is accused of dissuading a witness and other crimes[/I]
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[quote]HAWTHORNE, Calif. — Prosecutors say the owner of a Rottweiler that was shot to death by police in Southern California faces charges that he threatened a witness who recorded the incident.
More than six felony charges were filed Tuesday against 52-year-old Leon Cordell Rosby, who is accused of dissuading a witness and other crimes.
Last month, a uniformed officer in Hawthorne shot the dog four times after the animal jumped out of a car window and lunged at officers who had handcuffed its master.
Prosecutors say there were two videos of the incident, and Rosby made unspecified threats against a woman and her son for shooting footage of the moments leading up to the shooting.
A YouTube video of the incident has been viewed more than 5 million times.[/quote]
[url]http://www.policeone.com/corrections/articles/6386965-Man-whose-dog-was-shot-by-police-accused-of-intimidating-witness/[/url]
Lunged at officers? Fuck off, it's the idiot officers fault for trying to grab a dog that was obviously pissed because it felt its master was under threat.
Is this the same dude who pulled up loudly playing rap music and started yelling at the police about arresting the witness?
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Oh wait, it is. Why is this getting so much attention still? It's a shut and close case. The police did exactly as they where supposed to do.
[QUOTE=Sir_takeslot;41849824]Is this the same dude who pulled up loudly playing rap music and started yelling at the police about arresting the witness?[/QUOTE]
No, it is not. There is a link to the original video on the website documenting the incident.
Sir Takesalot and aerolop, I think you need to re-watch the video, the officer clearly steps toward and grabs for the already pissed off dog. What kind of fucking logic brings you to the conclusion that stepping toward and trying to grab a pissed off dog is the rihgt course of action. Infact, he fucking does it [B]twice[/B] with the second time not even the dog trying to bite him (its jaws were nowhere near him) but more the dog jumping up and barking telling the cop to back off from it.
[QUOTE=RayvenQ;41849897]Sir Takesalot and aerolop, I think you need to re-watch the video, the officer clearly steps toward and grabs for the already pissed off dog. What kind of fucking logic brings you to the conclusion that stepping toward and trying to grab a pissed off dog is the rihgt course of action. Infact, he fucking does it [B]twice[/B] with the second time not even the dog trying to bite him (its jaws were nowhere near him) but more the dog jumping up and barking telling the cop to back off from it.[/QUOTE]
Uh. Likely to grab it's leash or collar and get it out of the way.
You're acting like the dog was throwing a fit. He didn't leap out of the door of the car running over to the cops barking like mad. He jumps out, runs out, looks at them, and then proceeds to sniff something on the ground. Even the first time he bounces up at the cop looks like he's trying to play, rather than being aggressive.
Nice edit. The dogs jaws where pretty close to him, he was trying to bite him until he brought the gun forward, and then the dog tried to bite that.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRxCn_RuJ1E[/media]
Just saw this on PoliceOne and was about to post it myself. Beat me to the punch.
[QUOTE=Sir_takeslot;41849981]Uh. Likely to grab it's leash or collar and get it out of the way.
You're acting like the dog was throwing a fit. He didn't leap out of the door of the car running over to the cops barking like mad. He jumps out, runs out, looks at them, and then proceeds to sniff something on the ground. Even the first time he bounces up at the cop looks like he's trying to play, rather than being aggressive.[/QUOTE]
Obviously I know the idea behind him reaching for it, to grab a collar or lead, but why he'd think it's a [B]good idea[/B] is beyond me, of course if you lunge for a dog that's already pissed off, its going to tell you to back the fuck down, by barking and jumping at you.
No, he barked, jumped out of the car, then when he got close to the officers stopped where he was, went forward, turned away and turned back. It's not super aggresive, but trying to tell the cops to back the fuck off of its master.
What's worse is that the shitstain of an officer [B]causes[/B] the dog to jump up and bark (even if in only a semi aggresive manner like this was, telling the officer to back the fuck off) and he decides that even though the dog was nowhere fucking near him when it jumped up and barked that it's appropriate to unload into the dog, which, by the way, he fails to kill the fucking thing and then, what makes him even more of a shitstain is that he doesn't even fucking put the dog out of its misery but leaves it lying there to die in tremendous pain.
[quote]Nice edit. The dogs jaws where pretty close to him, he was trying to bite him until he brought the gun forward, and then the dog tried to bite that.[/quote]
Wasn't anywhere fucking near him, yeah in the first camera angle it looks like the dogs jaws are close, but the second one clearly shows that it isn't and it juts looked close to his gun hand because the dogs head was between the guys hand and the camera. And again, it wouldn't have happened if the shitstain of an officer hadn't done the dumbest thing possible which was to lung at the dog trying to grab it.
One has to realize a dog attack can be a very brutal and fast paced thing.
This video is a good example of just how fast the shit can hit the fan with two dogs, let alone just one...
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnTJJfJLfo0[/url]
[editline]15th August 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=RayvenQ;41850070]Obviously I know the idea behind him reaching for it, to grab a collar or lead, but why he'd think it's a [B]good idea[/B] is beyond me, of course if you lunge for a dog that's already pissed off, its going to tell you to back the fuck down, by barking and jumping at you.
No, he barked, jumped out of the car, then when he got close to the officers stopped where he was, went forward, turned away and turned back. It's not super aggresive, but trying to tell the cops to back the fuck off of its master.
What's worse is that the shitstain of an officer [B]causes[/B] the dog to jump up and bark (even if in only a semi aggresive manner like this was, telling the officer to back the fuck off) and he decides that even though the dog was nowhere fucking near him when it jumped up and barked that it's appropriate to unload into the dog, which, by the way, he fails to kill the fucking thing and then, what makes him even more of a shitstain is that he doesn't even fucking put the dog out of its misery but leaves it lying there to die in tremendous pain.[/QUOTE]
You just do not get it do you? I bet you would be the first person to also scream out if this dog, once it was loose, ran up and attacked the bystanders. "Why didn't the police control the dog?!" I could imagine it now.
I did not know you were trained and qualified to handle these situations.
He was trying to control the animal because it was a dog at large. The dog was doing only what instinct made it do. It's a sad event but in the end the officer is going to preserve his safety rather than letting the dog gnaw off his arm thinking "Oh it's just instinct!"
The dog lunged at the officer. The officer had the right to control the animal. It was an animal at large. The owner should not have put the animal into that situation. It's blatantly obvious this guy is a thug given now he is threatening witnesses.
Putting it out of it's misery? Sorry. Police shoot to stop the threat. You would still be crying about it if the officer did that as well. "Look how he walks up an executes the poor injured dog!"
You are the definition of a Monday morning quarterback.
It's unfortunate what happened. The dog did what any other dog would. It's just sad that it's owner had to be a tool who put it in harm's way.
I guess he should have just let the dog bite him then.
or maybe the dogs master should have thought to roll the window up a little bit.
[QUOTE=RayvenQ;41849800]Lunged at officers? Fuck off, it's the idiot officers fault for trying to grab a dog that was obviously pissed because it felt its master was under threat.[/QUOTE]
Doesn't matter. It was easily a case of self-defense as the dog lunged at the officer. Why are you making such a big deal out of this?
[QUOTE=HkSniper;41850072]One has to realize a dog attack can be a very brutal and fast paced thing.
This video is a good example of just how fast the shit can hit the fan with two dogs, let alone just one...
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnTJJfJLfo0[/url]
[editline]15th August 2013[/editline]
You just do not get it do you? I bet you would be the first person to also scream out if this dog, once it was loose, ran up and attacked the bystanders. "Why didn't the police control the dog?!" I could imagine it now.
I did not know you were trained and qualified to handle these situations.
He was trying to control the animal because it was a dog at large. The dog was doing only what instinct made it do. It's a sad event but in the end the officer is going to preserve his safety rather than letting the dog gnaw off his arm thinking "Oh it's just instinct!"
The dog lunged at the officer. The officer had the right to control the animal. It was an animal at large. The owner should not have put the animal into that situation. It's blatantly obvious this guy is a thug given now he is threatening witnesses.
Putting it out of it's misery? Sorry. Police shoot to stop the threat. You would still be crying about it if the officer did that as well. "Look how he walks up an executes the poor injured dog!"
You are the definition of a Monday morning quarterback.[/QUOTE]
I've had plenty of experience in seeing how dogs behave. From well trained house dogs, to well trained guard dogs and badly trained and aggressive versions of both.
Except, until he fucking lunged at it, the dog, while slighlty aggressive in the manner of "my owner is in trouble i gotta protect him" he was nowhere near going to attack.
and if the officer had put the dog out of its misery, you're incorrect in saying that I'd say that. Also, if the dog attacked anyone, officers or bystanders without provocation (and it was provoked by the officer trying to lunge for it) then they'd be justified in killing it. The dog however, didn't run at the officers aggresively in attack mode but more "What the fuck are you doing to my owner" because, if it was running to attack, it wouldn't have stopped when it got near the cops.
and HKSniper, the behaviour and aggressiveness of the dogs in the video you linked is entirely different to the dog in the OP.
[editline]15th August 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=D-Roy;41850183]Doesn't matter. It was easily a case of self-defense as the dog lunged at the officer. Why are you making such a big deal out of this?[/QUOTE]
Because the officer fucking provoked the dog into attacking by doing the one thing you should not do with an annoyed dog if you don't want it to go for you, or at the least jump and bark at you telling you to back the fuck off.
[QUOTE=Ripvayne;41850131]I guess he should have just let the dog bite him then.
or maybe the dogs master should have thought to roll the window up a little bit.[/QUOTE]
He originally turned his back to the officers to be handcuffed non-violently then started fighting with them. I believe 100% he was trying to cause a scene. He rolls up with his music loud as shit next to a police raid, exits his car to film them and leaves the music on still loud as shit, then fights with the cops after he was handcuffed, triggering the dog to leap out the window. He's fucked with cops before. I don't think he'll ever stop.
[QUOTE=RayvenQ;41850070]
Wasn't anywhere fucking near him, yeah in the first camera angle it looks like the dogs jaws are close, but the second one clearly shows that it isn't and it juts looked close to his gun hand because the dogs head was between the guys hand and the camera. And again, it wouldn't have happened if the shitstain of an officer hadn't done the dumbest thing possible which was to lung at the dog trying to grab it.[/QUOTE]
You can see the impact of the dog's weight against the officer's wrist, and the split second reaction it took him to re-aim the firearm and shoot. The dog definitely made contact. Not to mention, what the hell else was he supposed to do? The entire group was supposed to back away slowly and completely ignore the fact they're in a crime scene? Be realistic.
Seriously man, it's just a dog. I own two dogs and it would hurt like hell to see them injured in any way, but I feel that the officer's actions were justified. Not to mention it already happened, it's not like the officer can go back and try again. I highly doubt he went and bragged to all his buddies that night that he shot a dog, I can imagine he probably felt terrible about it too.
[QUOTE=Aetna;41850401]You can see the impact of the dog's weight against the officer's wrist, and the split second reaction it took him to re-aim the firearm and shoot. The dog definitely made contact. Not to mention, what the hell else was he supposed to do? The entire group was supposed to back away slowly and completely ignore the fact they're in a crime scene? Be realistic.
Seriously man, it's just a dog. I own two dogs and it would hurt like hell to see them injured in any way, but I feel that the officer's actions were justified.[/QUOTE]
Yeah it made contact, right after the dog jumped up, focusing his warning lunge near the officers left hand (the one reaching to grab the dog) and right after the officer shoved the gun (and thus his right hand) forward towards the dog.
As for backing away slowly ignoring the fact that they're in a crime scene? Well, considering all their focus was towards the man they were arresting, not the crime scene itself.
I'm done with this thread, but I will say, while it is entirely the owners fault for not securing his dog properly, it may not have excalated to the dog being shot if the officer hadn't done the idiotic thing of lunging at it.
Derailed the thread in the first post. Is that a record?
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[quote]I'm done with this thread, but I will say, while it is entirely the owners fault for not securing his dog properly[/quote]
Your entire argument just voided itself because all of this could've been avoided if the owner secured his dog properly... mmmk
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