Understanding the Ultimate Questions in Life - General

Ok, let's do some brainstorming: on drugs or sober, as long as you step out of your day to day perception of life. Let's figure out crazy shit through thinking exercises. I'll start: [b]As the question knows the answer, the answer belongs to the question.[/b] ([i]And that is the whole point?[/i])[b]: To know the question, and thus belong to the answer.[/b]

This is so pointless, go help the poor or something. Sorry, just had to say

Nigga u high

what the fuck

Here's something: A species of rapidly evolving people are situated in our Universe. Is it possible for them to reach perfection? Once at that point, is anything relevant anymore to them? Or is perfection impossible in this Universe? Or is perfection the same as 1, and imperfection equal to 0? Then we're back to the start: Existence Vs. Non-existence. I see the Universe as a cycle. Everything within goes from 0 to 1, from imperfection to perfection, from null to absolute.

[QUOTE=Otsegolation;26313365]Here's something: A species of rapidly evolving people are situated in our Universe. Is it possible for them to reach perfection? Once at that point, is anything relevant anymore to them? Or is perfection impossible in this Universe? Or is perfection the same as 1, and imperfection equal to 0? Then we're back to the start: Existence Vs. Non-existence. I see the Universe as a cycle. Everything within goes from 0 to 1, from imperfection to perfection, from null to absolute.[/QUOTE] Well you're right in the sense that the universe is moving from order to chaos (see entropy), and life on earth is simply a local chemical reversion of this process using the energy of the sun. If that's what you're talking about, then from what we know about physics today, it would be impossible to achieve 'perfection' since the universe as an isolated system is inevitably and constantly moving towards chaos. Also, I don't think anyone thinks the conditions during the big bang are desirable, which goes to show the inherent subjectivity of the word 'perfection'. To make a long story short, an ambiguous question isn't an intelligent or insightful one. Edit: Now, please, stop wasting your own time, do something constructive/useful/fun. (smoke some weed)

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[QUOTE=Otsegolation;26313365]Here's something: A species of rapidly evolving people are situated in our Universe. Is it possible for them to reach perfection? Once at that point, is anything relevant anymore to them? Or is perfection impossible in this Universe? Or is perfection the same as 1, and imperfection equal to 0? Then we're back to the start: Existence Vs. Non-existence. I see the Universe as a cycle. Everything within goes from 0 to 1, from imperfection to perfection, from null to absolute.[/QUOTE] Cycle? I don't see how all our shit would just entirely wipe out, making our existence just one big fucking joke. I mean we've come so far, and as far as it goes for survival in evolution, we are way ahead. We don't have any real threats like some animal species do, being pray, hunting, etc etc

I'll share my views. [b]1.[/b] Life is divided in two different parts. We have our earthly existence. The fact that we are here, and conscious of it, and that we are conscious of being "alive". This part, has absolutely no meaning, no purpose or goal what so ever. Simply put, existing is pointless. And then we have the other part, the part were we are given means to create our own, subjective meaning in life. Whatever you do to fill your life, whether it is meaningful or -less, it will be your objective/mission in life. Thus you have concieved meaning, given you spend your [i]life[/i], fulfilling it. As in "The Myth of Sisyphus", where he must spend all eternity pushing a stone to the top of a mountain, only to watch it roll all the way down again. Now, should he be sad? Or should he be happy, seeing that he has what every individual craves so badly, "something to do in life". [b]2.[/b] We are (quoting D. Icke) all that is, has ever been, and will ever be. Thus believing we are nothing else but consciousness having a subjective experience, that later will serve as additional "information" if you may, to the greater consciousness, would be foolish. We are all potential and infinite love, blinded by todays society and its norms to think differently. Not high at the moment, no.

[QUOTE=Bat-shit;26318901]We don't have any real threats[/QUOTE] Are you kidding me? We're closer to nuclear war than we've been in decades (that's not to say that we're particularly close), we [i]are[/i] the threat. How can you even make yourself say that with countries like North Korea and Iran on the radar?

I have to agree with Lenni on this one. With recent events involving North Korea, and the fact that they have nuclear weaponry, definitely makes them a threat. Not a great one to us [seeing as we do have a much larger arsenal and missile defense system], but they are still a threat as long as they have this kind of technology at their disposal. Iran, you can never be sure with. So idk.

[QUOTE=Otsegolation;26313365]Here's something: A species of rapidly evolving people are situated in our Universe. Is it possible for them to reach perfection? Once at that point, is anything relevant anymore to them? Or is perfection impossible in this Universe? Or is perfection the same as 1, and imperfection equal to 0? Then we're back to the start: Existence Vs. Non-existence. I see the Universe as a cycle. Everything within goes from 0 to 1, from imperfection to perfection, from null to absolute.[/QUOTE] Define perfection.

ive wonderned like is religion something genetically inherited to make humans cope with their surroundings? i mean all cultures frmo all over the earth have been religious but its not like they telepathelicly communicated so that must mean that its something from within our brain no?

Religion is man made crap that keeps us from finding out the real answers to why we are here, and who created all this. They just sum it all up in "God", and we don't ask any questions, 'cause if you do it's blasphemy. Of course questions are being asked all the time nowadays, but just imagine a couple of hundred years ago. Edit: It's pretty much just a strategy made for the few to control the many (quoting D.Icke, again)

D.Icke is a loon (sorry, man). Religion is for people seeking closure and peace, an answer. All of the big religions today have a lot of the same answers, a lot of the same stories and a lot of the same characters (yes, characters like in a storybook) which can tell us that all of these religions come from the same region, or perhaps the same religion. Or maybe they just stole the tales from others because they sounded better, it's religious people we're talking about here *laughs*. Look around, we're on the edge of war all the time, people are dying like flies and catastrophies are striking and killing hundreds/thousands every fucking week. Religion is for the weak, those who's afraid of death and the truth. A bullshit lie that we invented a long time ago for the people full of bullshit. It's inzane how a modern world can still believe in this. Oh well.

[QUOTE=Johnny Serva;26329594]Religion is man made crap that keeps us from finding out the real answers to why we are here, and who created all this. They just sum it all up in "God", and we don't ask any questions, 'cause if you do it's blasphemy. Of course questions are being asked all the time nowadays, but just imagine a couple of hundred years ago. Edit: It's pretty much just a strategy made for the few to control the many (quoting D.Icke, again)[/QUOTE] Aren't thinking for yourself are you?

...You know what, just watch some videos of George Carlin. You'll get your answers.

As much as George Carlin is independent and honest, he's a nutjob. [editline]27th November 2010[/editline] Kinda

[quote=Pepin]Aren't thinking for yourself are you?[/quote] No, not really. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GS6vxb4H3M[/media] Religion may have started out as a somewhat, nice, thing. Seeing that "holy" texts such as the bible has a great deal of good morals and all that stuff. But throughout the years, people have managed to squeeze in [i]so[/i] much bullshit! As religion is today, I don't approve.

[QUOTE=Lenni;26334057]As much as George Carlin is independent and honest, he's a nutjob. [editline]27th November 2010[/editline] Kinda[/QUOTE] Explain. [editline]18.36[/editline] Really, explain. He grabs the system so hard by the balls and shouts out the truth about religion, the government and all the other bullshit, hidden behind some humour. But I do see why you think he's a nutjob, his humour is quite... Yeah... Well, extreme. But yet, hilarious. And true!

[QUOTE=Ivers;26334236]Explain.[/QUOTE] He's right about some of the basic mechanisms in society that keep the poor poor, takes peoples' liberties etc. etc., but he usually goes on to say that the government (whatever 'it' is) is doing it on purpose and that there's a rich class pushing politics towards something that amounts to a NWO. Yes, rich people have interests, and those combined with the stupidity of the masses usually end up in bad shit, but there's no reason to believe in a big conspiracy and an attempt to subdue humanity as a whole. He's a conspiracist, that's what makes him a nut job IMO. If he would just stay to criticizing the culture and it's products, and trying to open people's eyes to what they're themselves partly responsible for, I would have no problem with him. You can call rich people assholes all you want, but they're not evil, and blaming them for the entire thing is just stupid. [editline]27th November 2010[/editline] "A bullshit lie that we invented a long time ago for the people full of bullshit." This is exactly what I'm talking about.

All I wanted was a good answer, and you delivered. We've established our different opinions, which I wanted. Bravo. Many can't do this. [editline]18.59[/editline] But I still believe that the rich people with the politicians supporting them is shoving their penis far up our asses and raping us for our rights. I wont go as far as D. Icke is going on with his believes, but Carlin delivers. The goverment is corrupt, especially in the US.

[QUOTE=Lenni;26319921]Are you kidding me? We're closer to nuclear war than we've been in decades (that's not to say that we're particularly close), we [i]are[/i] the threat. How can you even make yourself say that with countries like North Korea and Iran on the radar?[/QUOTE] Nah, those are not real threats, but you got one thing right, we are a threat to ourselves Oh and.. we are close to a nuclear war? :v: We've been through that already, a lot of people ended up dead. And not only because the nuclear bombs either. And why, North Korea is what it is, they better not make anymore stupid moves or they are the ones ending up dead too, like the Nazis, for example. Go with the winner, you know? Even if you are just a rat abandoning the sinking ship. Jesus, as far as I can tell, not even the worlds end is going stop humans from moving on [QUOTE=anders22;26329296]ive wonderned like is religion something genetically inherited to make humans cope with their surroundings? i mean all cultures frmo all over the earth have been religious but its not like they telepathelicly communicated so that must mean that its something from within our brain no?[/QUOTE] Maybe after some time, people will lose interest. [editline]28th November 2010[/editline] Also, as for people debating about people dying all the time for whatever bullshit reasons, including religion; during the last two centuries, the human population has grown from 1 billion to 6 fucking billion. That is a shit ton of people, and as we all know, there are certain factors that keeps the animal populations at an ideal amount, and most of those factors do not apply for humans; hence the overpopulation. And as you can see, not even the senseless violence keeps our population from growing :v:

Growth comes from more knowledge, knowledge comes from science, which improves technology. And what is religion doing and has done for a long fucking time? Holding back science. [editline]03:23[/editline] Wasn't actually an answer, just that religion is a major setback for society on an international basis.

[QUOTE=Ivers;26345715]Growth comes from more knowledge, knowledge comes from science, which improves technology. And what is religion doing and has done for a long fucking time? Holding back science. [editline]03:23[/editline] Wasn't actually an answer, just that religion is a major setback for society on an international basis.[/QUOTE] Religion gives you easy to deal with-answers, science gives you the truth (that you have to work hard for to achieve). People prefer to stick with religion.

I think one of the ultimate questions in life is; how come whenever you try it always turns out shitty, but when you just coast through life good things happen?

[QUOTE=Mindtwistah;26358285]People prefer to stick with religion.[/QUOTE] for how long, I wonder

[QUOTE=Bat-shit;26359036]for how long, I wonder[/QUOTE] For as long as the brainwashing of children will continue, and that will occur as long as there are religious parents. So we're kinda stuck in a bad loop. All we can hope for is that science will one day triumph over ignorance. It's happening very slowly now though, even in the era of logic and science the majority of people choose to believe in fairytales rather than the truth. Religion will still be here for at least another 100-200 years.

I agree there but you know scientist they are researching, so basically we are just as clueless I mean, cells, fibers, organs, organisms, specimen, the one who figured that all up and put it to work would be a genius, a God. Sounds crazy "theory" I know :v: