Controversy over decision to bar couple from fostering because of UKIP membership - Polidicks

[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20476654[/url] [quote=BBC News][B]Michael Gove has branded a decision by Rotherham council to remove three children from a foster couple because they belong to UKIP as "indefensible".[/B] The education secretary said he would be investigating how the decision to remove the children came to be made. The children - who are "not indigenous white British" - were removed by social workers who accused the unnamed couple of belonging to a "racist party". The council said it was also launching an immediate inquiry. Mr Gove said the "wrong decision" was made "in the wrong way for the wrong reasons" and added the government would look at "what steps we need to take to deal with this situation". [B]'Dreadful signal'[/B] He continued: "We should not allow considerations of ethnic or cultural background to prevent children being placed with loving and stable families. "Any council which decides that supporting a mainstream UK political party disbars an individual from looking after children in care is sending a dreadful signal that will only decrease the number of loving homes available to children in need." Rotherham Borough Council's Strategic Director of Children and Young People's Services, Joyce Thacker, told the BBC that her decision was influenced by UKIP's immigration policy. She said: "I have legal advice I have to follow for the placement of children and I was criticised before for not making sure their cultural and ethnic needs were met. "If the party mantra is, for example, ending the active promotion of multiculturalism I have to think about that... I have to think of their longer-term needs. Ms Thacker added she did not think UKIP were a racist party, but said they have "very clear" immigration policies which she could not ignore. UKIP's immigration policy states the party wants an "end [to] the active promotion of the doctrine of multiculturalism by local and national government", and urges Britain to leave the European Union (EU). The party's leader Nigel Farage said he was "very upset and very angry" about the decision and called for "heads to roll" at the council. He added: "This couple... have been fostering for many years and are very decent people. This was an awful shock to them, not to mention the upset for the children themselves." He also accused the Labour-controlled council of bigotry towards his party. Earlier, Labour leader Ed Miliband called for the council to urgently investigate the circumstances of the case. He insisted: "Being a member of UKIP should not be a bar to adopting or fostering children. "We need to find out the facts and the council urgently needs to get to the bottom of exactly what happened. "There are thousands of children who need to be looked after, who need fostering, we shouldn't have the situation where membership of a party like UKIP excludes you from doing that. "We need loving homes for children across the country. That can come in different forms, it's not about what political party you are a member of," he concluded.[/quote]

Christ, UKIP are not a racist party, or even an offensive party, if this is seen as harmful to children then why are fundamentalist religious people allowed to have children when they openly teach hate?

[QUOTE=The mouse;38574480]Christ, UKIP are not a racist party, or even an offensive party, if this is seen as harmful to children then why are fundamentalist religious people allowed to have children when they openly teach hate?[/QUOTE] [url=http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1064724]They aren't[/url]

What smurfy said. Suffice it to say, we take this shit seriously in the UK, but yeah this was done for dumb reasons by a dumbass and will be swiftly corrected.

[QUOTE=The mouse;38574480]Christ, UKIP are not a racist party, or even an offensive party, if this is seen as harmful to children then why are fundamentalist religious people allowed to have children when they openly teach hate?[/QUOTE] You mean the party who's own leader publically quit because it was going too far right and loony and the current leaders said they'll never get elected because "we will never win the nigger vote". Suuuure.

[QUOTE=NoDachi;38574583]You mean the party who's own leader publically quit because it was going too far right and loony and the current leaders said they'll never get elected because "we will never win the nigger vote". Suuuure.[/QUOTE] Never heard of that. They sure haven't transferred race into their policies if that was the case. The most controversial idea they have is that you have to speak English to live here, for reasons involving giving immigrants the required help in a timely fashion. I'm assuming that means communication could save their life if they need emergency service assistance? That sort of thing?

[QUOTE=The mouse;38574480]Christ, UKIP are not a racist party, or even an offensive party, if this is seen as harmful to children then why are fundamentalist religious people allowed to have children when they openly teach hate?[/QUOTE] The fact that they need to state that they are a "non-racist" party on their website kind of gives of a bad vibe for me.

[quote]UKIP's immigration policy states the party wants an "end [to] the active promotion of the doctrine of multiculturalism by local and national government"[/quote] This is intrinsically a racist belief because it is based on the assumption that there is something harmful about different races living together.

UKIP the gateway party to BNP

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;38574884]This is intrinsically a racist belief because it is based on the assumption that there is something harmful about different races living together.[/QUOTE] Multiculturalism is nothing to do with races, it's to do with different cultures. UKIP believe that Multiculturalism is dividing communities, the more different cultures you try to push into one society the more and more divided it becomes. Rather they believe we should promote Uniculturalism, where different cultures merge together to form a new culture where everyone can be united together. So instead of all seperating out and forming cultural groups which divides communities and is what actually breeds racism and prejudice we should all come together and merge our cultures to form a united community rather than a divided one. SO RACIST

[QUOTE=Scrappa;38575090]Multiculturalism is nothing to do with races, it's to do with different cultures. UKIP believe that Multiculturalism is dividing communities, the more different cultures you try to push into one society the more and more divided it becomes. Rather they believe we should promote Uniculturalism, where different cultures merge together to form a new culture where everyone can be united together. So instead of all seperating out and forming cultural groups which divides communities and is what actually breeds racism and prejudice we should all come together and merge our cultures to form a united community rather than a divided one. SO RACIST[/QUOTE] Seeing as how race is a social construct, race and culture are intrinsically linked. Their belief system is not about creating a "new" culture out of old ones but rather maintaining a mythologized ideal of a singular "British" culture and resisting ingresses by any other cultures. That is, uhhhh, fucking racist.

Can you tell me where in their manifesto it says "We will obliterate all other cultures from Britain and force the British culture upon everyone."? " [UKIP] promotes uniculturalism - aiming to create a single British culture embracing all races and religions." Here is a quote from their manifesto, they aim to CREATE a single British culture. Embracing ALL races and religions. The word create is a pretty key one here, they're not going to bludgeon everyone into the current British culture, they're going to merge the other main cultures of Britain into the current British culture to form a new culture that everyone can be a part of and still retain the majority of their current cultural beliefs and traditions. It also says that the new British culture would embrace all races. How is this racist?

What the fuck Facepunch since when was UKIP not racist?

[QUOTE=BrainDeath;38575313]What the fuck Facepunch since when was UKIP not racist?[/QUOTE] That's not the point, the point is no one should have their kids taken away base on political beliefs.

[QUOTE=BrainDeath;38575313]What the fuck Facepunch since when was UKIP not racist?[/QUOTE] Since when [i]was[/i] it it racist? I could understand if it was the BNP we were talking about...

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;38575147]Seeing as how race is a social construct,[/QUOTE] Well the borders by which we divide people into ethnic groups are socially constructed if that's what you mean but that's not the same as race not existing.

UKIP might be retarded but I doubt even they would be stupid enough to do something racist and get themselves into that kind of trouble.

[QUOTE=ThisGuy0;38575412]Well the borders by which we divide people into ethnic groups are socially constructed if that's what you mean but that's not the same as race not existing.[/QUOTE] There is no genetic basis for race. The genetic differences between individuals are far wider than the normalized genetic differences between different "races". Race exists purely as a social construct.

[QUOTE=NoDachi;38574583]You mean the party who's own leader publically quit because it was going too far right and loony and the current leaders said they'll never get elected because "we will never win the nigger vote". Suuuure.[/QUOTE] I think you just confused the BNP and UKIP.

[QUOTE=Jsm;38576438]I think you just confused the BNP and UKIP.[/QUOTE] he confused nobody, but according to [url=http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Nigel_Farage]wikiquote[/url] it's disputed whether or not Nigel Farage actually said that

[QUOTE=NoDachi;38574583]You mean the party who's own leader publically quit because it was going too far right and loony and the current leaders said they'll never get elected because "we will never win the nigger vote". Suuuure.[/QUOTE] Why is this the third biggest part in the UK? Why do I have to live here?

[QUOTE=zakedodead;38575334]That's not the point, the point is no one should have their kids taken away base on political beliefs.[/QUOTE] so if someone believes that all homosexuals are literally demons and should be killed on sight, and also believes that anyone with eastern european ancestry are terrorists and should be abducted, tortured for information then executed, this person should be allowed to raise children?

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;38575530]There is no genetic basis for race.[/QUOTE] can you explain that please because there definitely are visual similarities in individuals descended from different areas

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;38575530]There is no genetic basis for race. The genetic differences between individuals are far wider than the normalized genetic differences between different "races". Race exists purely as a social construct.[/QUOTE] I think you mean ethnicity not race

[QUOTE=Turnips5;38577096]he confused nobody, but according to [url=http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Nigel_Farage]wikiquote[/url] it's disputed whether or not Nigel Farage actually said that[/QUOTE] So, essentially, the only thing that directly links UKIP to racism is something that was apparently said by Farage - that can not be verified and was said by a person who dislikes him.

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;38575530]There is no genetic basis for race. The genetic differences between individuals are far wider than the normalized genetic differences between different "races". Race exists purely as a social construct.[/QUOTE] You are simply incorrect. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrKrGkgeww4[/media] The way we tend to pidgeonhole people as "black" or "caucasian" or "asian" doesn't carve reality at the joints, but that is [I]not[/I] the same thing as saying there are not genetic differences between populations of people. As for saying that genetic differences between individuals are wider than those between races, yes, that is true, but it is also a red herring.

[QUOTE=RichyZ;38577675]lets get rid of all culture, and all other languages, burn all non-english art, convert everyone to christianity because fuck other cultures, 420 assimilate it faggot[/QUOTE] I don't think he's saying that, I think he's saying people should be encouraged to create a new culture with shared values that encompasses everybody and helps everybody to feel as though they are part of that country.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;38577505]Why is this the third biggest part in the UK? Why do I have to live here?[/QUOTE] They're fourth, Lib Dems are third

[QUOTE=smurfy;38578060]They're fourth, Lib Dems are third[/QUOTE] I'm fairly sure UKIP overtook the lib dems, at least thats what my friend who follows most of this has told me any way. At least in regards to recent elections and opinion polls.

So many dumbasses in this thread. UKIP is not a 'racist' party, and if you think so, then you should probably stop confusing the BNP with UKIP.