New law would give danish intelligence agency more power than NSA
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Danish source:
[url]http://politiken.dk/indland/ECE2561903/fe-faar-mere-magt-end-nsa/[/url]
The law gives about a billion DKK (~150 million USD) to antiterror efforts, including more surveliance.
One of the points is giving the agency the power to wiretap danish citizens outside Denmark without a court order.
It's really disturbing all the people saying "If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to worry about!" in the public debate.
Seems that we are willing to throw our rule of law and our freedoms under the bus, because of two shootings.
Really? That's overreacting pretty big time for just one incident.
[quote]One of the points is giving the agency the power to wiretap danish citizens outside Denmark without a court order.[/quote]
Danish intelligence doesn't have shit on the NSA. In addition to spying on people from other countries, we also spy on everyone [I]within[/I] our borders!
[img]http://fi.somethingawful.com/images/smilies/emot-911.gif[/img] Help.
150 million for antiterror efforts? How many people even died to terrorists in Denmark in the last 10 years? Is there seriously no other area that could use that money better? Medicine maybe?
[QUOTE=Freakie;47211462]Really? That's overreacting pretty big time for just one incident.[/QUOTE]
I agree completely. That money could have been spent better elsewhere.
[QUOTE=AlbertWesker;47211571]Danish intelligence doesn't have shit on the NSA. In addition to spying on people from other countries, we also spy on everyone [I]within[/I] our borders!
[img]http://fi.somethingawful.com/images/smilies/emot-911.gif[/img] Help.[/QUOTE]
Bitch step up your game, GCHQ has you over a barrel.
[url]http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/jun/21/gchq-cables-secret-world-communications-nsa[/url]
With so much money you could probably make the trains run on time
[QUOTE=Freakie;47211462]Really? That's overreacting pretty big time for just one incident.[/QUOTE]
Dunno what incident, but what if that incident was faked/played so government has reason for such law :v:?
[QUOTE=gokiyono;47212138]With so much money you could probably make the trains run on time[/QUOTE]
Won't happen as long as Magnus Heunicke keeps blaming the swedes though. Or maybe you could finance the building of some kind of anti-elk super fence in Sweden.
[QUOTE=gokiyono;47212138]With so much money you could probably make the trains run on time[/QUOTE]
Dunno, the trains have always been good on time in the North. But then again, we don't have DSB.
[QUOTE=Fourier;47212274]Dunno what incident, but what if that incident was faked/played so government has reason for such law :v:?[/QUOTE]
If you had paid any attention to the shootings reported on here a week ago, you'd know.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Copenhagen_shootings[/url]
[QUOTE=AlbertWesker;47211571]Danish intelligence doesn't have shit on the NSA. In addition to spying on people from other countries, we also spy on everyone [I]within[/I] our borders!
[img]http://fi.somethingawful.com/images/smilies/emot-911.gif[/img] Help.[/QUOTE]
Oh the thing every other world power does
god bless
Fffffffuuuck this country and it's jerky-ass god damn knees. Jesus Christ with his cock up his own arse, this is some stupid bullshit. Hell, our little shooting was hardly even terrorism: It wasn't connected to any outside group and it was targeted at one single well-known person (who it missed) and not the general public. You know what that kind of stuff is usually called? Assassination attempts. Not terrorism.
Really? [I]Really?[/I] What's the use? Are we being targeted by potential terrorists left and right? No? Didn't think so.
Seriously, this is a massive overreaction from our politicians and I highly doubt it will actually lead to anything meaningful. But of course they'll make up a bullshit excuse and most of the general population will probably just shrug their shoulders.
Fuck sake.
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;47212732]Oh the thing every other world power does
god bless[/QUOTE]
Yeah but does every other country in the world have a bill of rights which is supposed to explicitly forbid this sort of thing? (unreasonable searches and seizures)
[QUOTE=mrpirate;47211265]Danish source:
[url]http://politiken.dk/indland/ECE2561903/fe-faar-mere-magt-end-nsa/[/url]
The law gives about a billion DKK (~150 million USD) to antiterror efforts, including more surveliance.
One of the points is giving the agency the power to wiretap danish citizens outside Denmark without a court order.
It's really disturbing all the people saying "If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to worry about!" in the public debate.
Seems that we are willing to throw our rule of law and our freedoms under the bus, because of two shootings.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=AntonioR;47214367][img]http://facepunch.com/image.php?u=275780&dateline=1271660625[/img][/QUOTE]
What are you trying to say?
"Experts are raising the alarm, but the minister promises adequate control"
Lol, like that means anything.
Two million gallons of Lego to be sprinkled on national borders
I hope they enjoy watching me jerk off
Has someone arranged a protest yet? [QUOTE][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;47217173]Has someone arranged a protest yet?[/QUOTE]
I've heard tonnes of people express anger and confusion over this, but nobody really knows what to do. Nothing quite as broad and dangerous as this terror law has been proposed in Denmark for a long time, so nobody really knows what to do. Protests would be an option, but I honestly have no idea how those work, I've never felt strongly enough about any cause for me to actually want to partake in something like that, until now.
We do have an election coming up within the next 6 months or so, so I'd say vote for one of the parties that are actually against the terror law. Liberal Alliance have previously expressed concern over privacy, but not enough that they'll risk not getting into the new government, should Venstre win, so they've abandoned their principles, so as to not jeopardize their relationship with Venstre and the rest of the blue block. Dansk Folkeparti were also against Offentlighedsloven (like LA and Enhedslisten), but seem to be completely in line with the major parties on the terror legislation.
I realize Enhedslisten is pretty far left-leaning, but they're the only party I'd even consider voting for these days. They've demonstrated several times that they'll stick to their principles when it comes to the human right to privacy, participating in wars, and government transparency. Even if you don't believe in their long-term economic policies, I feel like the threat to our democracy and human rights is too important to not set those differences aside.
What Omar did to Denmark was nothing. What the government (and the leading opposition) is trying to do to Denmark is the real threat, and honestly, I'm very very afraid.
[QUOTE=Dr Magnusson;47217277]We do have an election coming up within the next 6 months or so, so I'd say vote for one of the parties that are actually against the terror law. Liberal Alliance have previously expressed concern over privacy, but not enough that they'll risk not getting into the new government, should Venstre win, so they've abandoned their principles, so as to not jeopardize their relationship with Venstre and the rest of the blue block. Dansk Folkeparti were also against Offentlighedsloven (like LA and Enhedslisten), but seem to be completely in line with the major parties on the terror legislation.
I realize Enhedslisten is pretty far left-leaning, but they're the only party I'd even consider voting for these days. They've demonstrated several times that they'll stick to their principles when it comes to the human right to privacy, participating in wars, and government transparency. Even if you don't believe in their long-term economic policies, I feel like the threat to our democracy and human rights is too important to not set those differences aside.[/QUOTE]
It's pretty bullshit that it's only our two extremist parties that run 'hey let's not shove cameras up everybody's rectums' policy. LA is a bunch of wanna-be 'murricans who only really plan to tear down everything that puts Denmark in the top-ten of every-positive-thing-you-can-measure-a-country-by lists, and Enhedslisten are literally Marxists. Like, literally, actually, self-proclaimed Marxists, despite what their adorable waifu of a figurehead would like you to believe.
[editline]26th February 2015[/editline]
Like, fuck, I could even be convinced to be an asshole and vote Venstre if they actually liked personal freedom, but nope, I gotta be an anarchist-lite or a full-on communist if I enjoy masturbating in peace.
[QUOTE=Riller;47212860]Fffffffuuuck this country and it's jerky-ass god damn knees. Jesus Christ with his cock up his own arse, this is some stupid bullshit. [B]Hell, our little shooting was hardly even terrorism: It wasn't connected to any outside group and it was targeted at one single well-known person (who it missed) and not the general public. You know what that kind of stuff is usually called? Assassination attempts. Not terrorism[/B].[/QUOTE]
Jesus fuck I thought I was the only one who thought this resembled murder more than terrorism, glad to see I'm not alone
[QUOTE=EvacX;47217361]Jesus fuck I thought I was the only one who thought this resembled murder more than terrorism, glad to see I'm not alone[/QUOTE]
It was a very-... Aggressive murder attempt; attacking a convention-hall with an assault rifle to try and kill one person and miss, only getting another in crossfire or whatever, but it's still a murder attempt, not terrorism aimed at the general public. The Jewish man who got shot was also just straight-up anti-semitic murder, not terrorism.
[QUOTE=Riller;47217329]It's pretty bullshit that it's only our two extremist parties that run 'hey let's not shove cameras up everybody's rectums' policy. LA is a bunch of wanna-be 'murricans who only really plan to tear down everything that puts Denmark in the top-ten of every-positive-thing-you-can-measure-a-country-by lists, and Enhedslisten are literally Marxists. Like, literally, actually, self-proclaimed Marxists, despite what their adorable waifu of a figurehead would like you to believe.
[editline]26th February 2015[/editline]
Like, fuck, I could even be convinced to be an asshole and vote Venstre if they actually liked personal freedom, but nope, I gotta be an anarchist-lite or a full-on communist if I enjoy masturbating in peace.[/QUOTE]
I agree completely. Even though I myself find that I overall agree with Enhedslisten on a lot of subjects, and hence tend to vote for them, I still believe that a lack of diversity in the opinions and principles of the leading parties is a major issue.
I do not at all agree with LA, and like you, believe that they don't have the average Dane's best interests at heart, but I at least respected them, when it seemed like they stuck to some liberal ideological principles. But when you side with surveillance over personal freedom, your self-proclaimed liberal ideology isn't worth shit. I've always been more or less convinced that they were purely neo-liberal (especially with their ties to industry and CEPOS), and the fluff about legalizing marijuana, and personal freedom was just an PR to create a profile, but their actions and press statements lately have confirmed those suspicions beyond any reasonable doubt.
Even Radikale Venstre expressed concern over the surveillance/FE/PET issue as recently as September 2014, but they too have given up that though and jumped on the bandwagon.
I sincerely wish there were more parties against the current terror legislation, because I know that it's unreasonable to expect people to vote as far left as Enhedslisten, just to sway the new government on a single issue, and it's not fair to you, or other voters, who now have to pick the lesser of two evils when going to the booths within the next 6 months.
Perhaps Alternativet will hit that sweet spot between LA and EL, and still vote against new terror legislation. Uffe Elbæk seems competent and trustworthy, so who knows.
Well, we are entirely fucked either way. This next election, we're gonna get Lars Løkke again, like it or not. And with DF in their favoured position of power of sway the same way EL is sitting right now, if not outright in the actual government. With a growing LA on top of that, we're just about fucked both economically, socially and human-value-wise. Woop woop, fuck me right?
Worst thing is, it hardly even beats the status quo of a weak-ass government too unstable to keep it's god damn shit together for six full months without crashing and reorganizing it's composition. Eight fucking times. Eight times over four years. I am so fucking done with Danish politics.
[QUOTE=Robber;47211604]150 million for antiterror efforts? How many people even died to terrorists in Denmark in the last 10 years? Is there seriously no other area that could use that money better? Medicine maybe?[/QUOTE]
Denmark's military budget is ~$3.7 billion USD, so the proposed intelligence budget is roughly 4% of the current military budget.
Not saying this proposal isn't an overreaction to an isolated incident, but for a governmental agency that is a very small budget and a drop in the bucket compared to other sources of spending.
[QUOTE=catbarf;47217688]Denmark's military budget is ~$3.7 billion USD, so the proposed intelligence budget is roughly 4% of the current military budget.
Not saying this proposal isn't an overreaction to an isolated incident, but for a governmental agency that is a very small budget and a drop in the bucket compared to other sources of spending.[/QUOTE]
And our military budget is also so tiny that the other NATO states are being pissed off at us for it. Despite us being one of the most eager, active and effective NATO members in the current political climate. They just hate us 'cause they ain't us.
[QUOTE=mrpirate;47216461]What are you trying to say?[/QUOTE]
That they should wipe their ass with that stupid law (you know, the printed copy=toilet paper).
[QUOTE=AntonioR;47217917]That they should wipe their ass with that stupid law (you know, the printed copy=toilet paper).[/QUOTE]
Ahh i agree. Thought it was something about the quality of my post.
[editline]27th February 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Riller;47217329]It's pretty bullshit that it's only our two extremist parties that run 'hey let's not shove cameras up everybody's rectums' policy. LA is a bunch of wanna-be 'murricans who only really plan to tear down everything that puts Denmark in the top-ten of every-positive-thing-you-can-measure-a-country-by lists, and Enhedslisten are literally Marxists. Like, literally, actually, self-proclaimed Marxists, despite what their adorable waifu of a figurehead would like you to believe.
[editline]26th February 2015[/editline]
Like, fuck, I could even be convinced to be an asshole and vote Venstre if they actually liked personal freedom, but nope, I gotta be an anarchist-lite or a full-on communist if I enjoy masturbating in peace.[/QUOTE]
I think people make LA's official policies worse than they are. They are also against a lot of the taxes we have that hurt the poor people the most. The problem i have with them, is that as soon as they get in a government they would sack their personal freedom policies faster than Helle Thorning can call for anti terror legislation.
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